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Wednesday, January 09, 2013

Sports on Earth: Hall Pass

Joe Posnanski speculates:

Nobody is getting into the Hall of Fame through the Baseball Writers door this year. I mean, yes, it’s possible—POSSIBLE—that Craig Biggio will slip into the Hall by a few votes. But I don’t think so. Not this year. Not on this crazy ballot…

I don’t know if this year’s ballot blackout will cause… administrative changes—looking ahead, I sort of doubt it. As weird as this year is, it’s really something of a one-year aberration… I think if any rule will be tinkered with, it will be the player-vote limit… I wouldn’t be surprised if it went up to 15 for next year’s ballot.

As for the rest … I don’t think there will be Hall of Fame voting changes. I think, instead, players who are better than at least half of the players in the Hall of Fame will keep getting overlooked and underappreciated and measured against an impossible and imaginary standard.

Then the Crickets, Blowfish, or whoever they are vote a bit.

Leigh Montville

I don’t have a ballot and am glad that I don’t. This whole thing is a mess. The idea that Craig Biggio or Curt Schilling might go into the Hall of Fame but Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens won’t is ridiculous. If results on the field don’t matter, then this becomes a beauty contest, backroom politics, a vote for prom king and queen supervised by the faculty to make sure that the right candidates succeed.

Today is only the beginning. The process is going to become harder and harder as science moves stem cells around and creates synthesized genetic athletes in the future. (OK, what do we do about this Jason Bourne?) What should be legal? What shouldn’t? If I have laser surgery, say, to give me the same eyesight as Ted Williams, am I cheating? The BBWAA and the Hall have to look for a way to accommodate its history and this future and dole out asterisks or italicized comments where necessary. Something has to change.

If I had a vote, I think I would cast my ballot in protest for Pete Rose—and only Pete Rose—every year until that change was made in the criteria for selection.

BALLOT: Pete Rose.

Mike Tanier

Football writer here!...

I suppose if you want to write off an entire period of your sport’s history as The Steroid Era, cast a pall of suspicion and disgust over a decade’s worth of sports memories, and basically say that everything exciting and delightful that happened in baseball from about 1988 to 2002 was squirted from a syringe into the bloodstream of some villainous cad, you can keep a generation’s worth of all-time greats out of the Hall of Fame for being maybe-slightly guiltier than everyone else of a crime no one bothered to accurately define or enforce.

What’s that? You say that’s what many voters are perfectly willing to do? O-kay. Well, let me just concentrate on the Pro Football Hall of Fame and cast all my votes for Cris Carter.

BALLOT: Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, Mark McGwire, Sammy Sosa.

Edit: Link fixed. Jim

The District Attorney Posted: January 09, 2013 at 11:37 AM | 12 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: hall of fame, joe posnanski, sports on earth

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   1. Anonymous Observer Posted: January 09, 2013 at 11:58 AM (#4342799)
If Jack Morris doesn't make it, how long will it be before the first article is written with quotes from him ######## and moaning about not being elected?
   2. Eric Ferguson Posted: January 09, 2013 at 12:06 PM (#4342815)
I assume newspapers/websites keep a file of those on hand, like how they have obits ready to go whenever someone of import dies.
   3. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 09, 2013 at 12:53 PM (#4342906)
Jason Bourne had a nice peak, but fell off a cliff rather quickly. PEDs aside I don't think I'd vote him in.
   4. SouthSideRyan Posted: January 09, 2013 at 01:28 PM (#4342964)
Jack Morris rejected from the hall of fame at the senseless age of 57
   5. bachslunch Posted: January 09, 2013 at 01:42 PM (#4342983)
Leigh Montville: I don’t have a ballot and am glad that I don’t....If I had a vote, I think I would cast my ballot in protest for Pete Rose—and only Pete Rose—every year until that change was made in the criteria for selection.

You're not the only one who is glad you don't have a vote.
   6. jobu Posted: January 09, 2013 at 01:49 PM (#4342995)
Boy, Sports on Earth must be on a shoestring. The photo above the article has a blank spot on the wall for 2013, with Rabbit Maranville going in in 2012, and Harry Wright in 2014. They couldn't have fudged a Greg Maddux plaque?
   7. willcarrolldoesnotsuk Posted: January 09, 2013 at 02:05 PM (#4343019)
Who is due to get added to the ballot next year?
   8. willcarrolldoesnotsuk Posted: January 09, 2013 at 02:33 PM (#4343048)
Answering my own question: Holy crap. Maddux, Glavine, Mussina, Thomas, Kent, and others who would probably get a decent number of votes in a normal year.

I wonder if given all of them plus the backlog from this year plus the "last year for Morris" stuff, there'll be something really way out there, like "Frank Thomas and Mike Mussina, one and done".
   9. willcarrolldoesnotsuk Posted: January 09, 2013 at 02:41 PM (#4343059)
Should maybe be a little clearer about "others who would probably get a decent number of votes in a normal year": I don't mean people who I would expect would make it in. Rather, I just mean that there'd be some significant number of voters who would spend ballot slots on them. For example, Luis Gonzalez and Moises Alou.
   10. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: January 09, 2013 at 02:42 PM (#4343061)
I'm starting to wonder what will happen with Glavine. 300+ wins, 2 Cys, 5 20 win seasons, 9 all star games should be plenty but he'll lose the direct compare with Maddux, and with the crowded ballot and a large percentage of the voters having their head up their ass, I don't know. Could be a while.
   11. LargeBill Posted: January 10, 2013 at 12:26 AM (#4343820)
10. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: January 09, 2013 at 02:42 PM (#4343061)
I'm starting to wonder what will happen with Glavine. 300+ wins, 2 Cys, 5 20 win seasons, 9 all star games should be plenty but he'll lose the direct compare with Maddux, and with the crowded ballot and a large percentage of the voters having their head up their ass, I don't know. Could be a while.


I could be wrong, but believe Glavine and Maddux will both go in next year. I assume Biggio will garner enough "I like him but not on the first ballot" votes to cross the threshold. Thomas should get close. Then we will have around 15 to 20 legitimate HoF candidates to fight over the other 6 votes per ballot just fighting for 5+% to stay around for another year. Crazy times are coming as many predicted more than a year ago.
   12. STEAGLES is all out of bubblegum Posted: January 10, 2013 at 01:06 AM (#4343835)
I could be wrong, but believe Glavine and Maddux will both go in next year.
people said the same thing about bagwell and biggio this year.

my money would be on maddux getting in, but noone else. and many, many other players seeing their vote totals stagnate or decline due to crowding at the top of the ballot.

as i've said, any voter who already fills their ballot will have a significant decision to make w/r/t who gets pushed off of it to make room for this next class.

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