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Sunday, August 10, 2008

SportTicker: Diamondbacks 2B Hudson leaves game [with dislocated wrist]

Arizona Diamondbacks second baseman Orlando Hudson left Saturday’s 11-4 loss to the Atlanta Braves in the sixth inning with a dislocated left wrist and may miss the remainder of the season.
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“(It’s) not great, dislocation, fracture of a bone in his wrist, and we’re not 100 percent sure whether he has to have surgery,” Arizona manager Bob Melvin said. “Probably a pretty good chance, but we will know in the morning. If he has the surgery, he’s out for the rest of the year, and if he doesn’t, there’s still a chance he could be out for the rest of the year.”

The 30-year-old Hudson, who was replaced by Augie Ojeda, is batting .305 with eight homers and 41 RBI in 108 games this season.

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   1. 1k5v3L Posted: August 10, 2008 at 04:38 AM (#2897117)
I come home from a week-long vacation to see this? Well, #### me sideways.

Game over, man. Game over.
   2. Kevin Reiss Posted: August 10, 2008 at 04:45 AM (#2897124)
I bet someone in Phoenix misses Bonifacio now.
   3. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: August 10, 2008 at 04:56 AM (#2897126)
Luis Castillo is very available.

Levski, if you want to torture yourself watch the play where he hurt himself. A comedy of errors by the Diamondbacks.

Is this something that might make Hudson a type B free agent? I don't think so but he has missed a lot of time the last two seasons. It also might make Hudson more likely to accept arbitration to rebuild his value.

I don't think this is going to hurt that much. Ojeda is a decent player and the Diamondbacks could always trade for a Grudzielanek or someone like that.

Edit- Grudzielanek might be out for the season as well.
   4. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: August 10, 2008 at 04:58 AM (#2897127)
Do the D-Backs always play such crap defense? This series with the Braves has been embarrassing.
   5. We don't have dahlians at the Palace of Wisdom Posted: August 10, 2008 at 04:59 AM (#2897131)
RIP 2008 Diamondbacks

What a long, strange trip it's been.
   6. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: August 10, 2008 at 05:03 AM (#2897132)
Come on. With only one fourth of a season left, how much does Hudson's injury cost the Diamondbacks? 1 or 2 wins?

As long as Webb and Haren stay healthy, they'll stay in it.

Levski, do you have a Paypal account? I am conceding about the RJ-Pedro thing.
   7. frannyzoo Posted: August 10, 2008 at 05:20 AM (#2897142)
I'd say give thanks to a terrible division, but watching the D-Backs in recent days has been like re-doing a root canal. And now this. Mediocre meet worse than mediocre.
   8. ValueArb Posted: August 10, 2008 at 05:30 AM (#2897145)
Good thing I hadn't gotten my Diamondbacks World Series bet down yet. Ugh, RIP 2008.

Ojeda (career) .238/.321/.319/.640
Hudson (2008) .306/.367/.452/.819

Looks like three wins to me...
   9. 1k5v3L Posted: August 10, 2008 at 05:39 AM (#2897152)
Robert, actually the Dbacks had been playing better on D lately. It seems they just decided to suck tonight... and two throwing errors by Cruz got Hudson and Reynolds hurt. Cruz is a curse

Russlan, I believe Hudson may still remain type A, but who knows. Not me. And the Dbacks might need spare ligaments and bones, so Castillo might be handy. Might use his hammies for Flipper.

And about the RJ-Pedro thing... don't jinx it. The way it's been going, RJ will be awful the rest of the year and Pedro will look like his 2000 version. So wait up until the end of September.
   10. 1k5v3L Posted: August 10, 2008 at 05:40 AM (#2897153)
ValueArb, you're obviously forgetting about Chris Burke.
That's a former first rounder with a lot of talent right there.
A gritty player who gets dirty and plays the game the right way.
On intangibles alone, he's a win improvement on Hudson. At least.
You don't think the Dbacks would trade for a useless player, do you?
Just like they wouldn't trade away a useful guy like Quentin, you know?
   11. Robert S. Posted: August 10, 2008 at 05:50 AM (#2897157)
Josh Byrnes is now feverishly working the phones to add another reliever.
   12. Leroy Kincaid Posted: August 10, 2008 at 01:07 PM (#2897251)
Come on. With only one fourth of a season left, how much does Hudson's injury cost the Diamondbacks? 1 or 2 wins?


It's a close enough race that those 1 or 2 wins could give the Dodgers the division.
   13. SkyKing162 Posted: August 10, 2008 at 05:34 PM (#2897377)
Any chance Mark Ellis clears waivers?
   14. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: August 10, 2008 at 07:29 PM (#2897572)
Hudson's injury might cost the them the division but they'll stay in the race.
   15. PerroX Posted: August 11, 2008 at 12:38 AM (#2897747)
When you're counting three wins, does that include fielding?

O-dog, get well soon.
   16. 1k5v3L Posted: August 11, 2008 at 12:42 AM (#2897756)
Hudson hasn't been that good defensively this year. In fact, he's probably been more of a liability than asset on D so far this year, despite his occasional webgems. He's lost a lot of range. Ojeda would very likely be a decent improvement on D at 2b the rest of the way
   17. 1k5v3L Posted: August 11, 2008 at 12:43 AM (#2897758)
Hudson's injury might cost the them the division but they'll stay in the race.
You're forgetting the Dodgers don't have a closer ;)
   18. PerroX Posted: August 11, 2008 at 12:50 AM (#2897771)
He's definitely gone for the season, having already undergone the first of two surgeries - the first to set the bones, the next to fix the ligaments.

That had to sting a little when McCann nailed him.
   19. Stately, Plump Buck Mulligan Posted: August 11, 2008 at 12:53 AM (#2897783)
It also might make Hudson more likely to accept arbitration to rebuild his value.


I know that, around the trade deadline, one of the White Sox reporters (Joe Cowley?) was talking about how Kenny Williams REALLY wants Hudson at 2B after this season, with Alexei moving over to SS.
   20. ColonelTom Posted: August 11, 2008 at 01:35 AM (#2897850)
They can't afford Ojeda in the lineup every day, from an offensive standpoint. If they can't acquire a 2B via trade, I'd have to imagine they'd consider sliding Mark Reynolds to 2B, playing Chad Tracy at 3B and starting Tony Clark every day at 1B.
   21. frannyzoo Posted: August 11, 2008 at 02:47 AM (#2897994)
Having seen Reynolds attempt to play 3B, I can only guess how bad he'd be at 2B. Something in the area of unimaginably bad.

Maybe he played 2B in college or something, but he's been cringe-worthy at the hot corner this season. I don't see him at 2B at all.

And looking at Chris Dial's fielding numbers, I see Reynolds sits at 3rd worst 3B in the NL. That sounds about right.
   22. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: August 11, 2008 at 02:51 AM (#2897996)
They can't afford Ojeda in the lineup every day, from an offensive standpoint. If they can't acquire a 2B via trade, I'd have to imagine they'd consider sliding Mark Reynolds to 2B, playing Chad Tracy at 3B and starting Tony Clark every day at 1B.

I can't imagine that would improve the team as Clark's not that much of a hitter and Reynolds would be an awfully bad 2b.
   23. 1k5v3L Posted: August 11, 2008 at 03:00 AM (#2898001)

I know that, around the trade deadline, one of the White Sox reporters (Joe Cowley?) was talking about how Kenny Williams REALLY wants Hudson at 2B after this season
Why wait until then? Hudson for Quentin!
   24. ColonelTom Posted: August 11, 2008 at 03:05 AM (#2898004)
Reynolds came up as a SS before moving to 3B. In the minors, he played 18 games at 2B in 2006, and 6 in 2007 (plus 2 innings in the majors). Obviously he's not going to be smooth there, but he's not completely inexperienced at the pivot, having played a fair amount of shortstop as well.

None of their options are good; it just depends on whether the difference between Reynolds' defense and Ojeda's is greater than the difference between Ojeda's bat and Clark's. At a glance, I suspect it's a toss-up.
   25. Russ Posted: August 11, 2008 at 03:06 AM (#2898005)
Jack Wilson would probably clear waivers. :-)
   26. shoewizard Posted: August 11, 2008 at 05:44 AM (#2898057)
Good thing I hadn't gotten my Diamondbacks World Series bet down yet. Ugh, RIP 2008.

Ojeda (career) .238/.321/.319/.640
Hudson (2008) .306/.367/.452/.819

Looks like three wins to me...


This overstating things a bit. Ojeda is a a little bit better hitter than his career numbers. The last two years at 80 & 79 OPS respectively are probably a decent approximation of his true talent level as it sits now. And like last year, there is a decent chance he will hit better with a little more playing time. Hudson's OPS+ was 109 this year, and 106 last year. So 25-30 OPS+ points over 150-160 at bats is not going to be a 3 win difference. And as Levski already pointed out, Hudson defense slipped quite a bit this year, as he has been battling leg, groin, and ankle injuries all year.

I think this is about 1 win difference. I guess you could stretch it to two if you take into account that this weakens the bench further. Anyway even 1 win means a lot right now.
   27. shoewizard Posted: August 11, 2008 at 05:57 AM (#2898059)
About Reynolds at 2b:

I'm not 100% sure that he couldn't play 2b. His biggest problem at 3b is he doesn't have quite the quickest reactions, the kind of reaction you need at 3b when the ball is hit extremely hard right at you. This opinion is from watching him play everyday, but is somewhat supported by his fielding bible +/-

YTD he is -7, and ranks 22nd

To his right, he's -2, straight on he's -5, and to his left he's -1

He's athletic, and has a strong arm. And he's actually pretty fast. With a little more room to move further back from the batter, he might actually have halfway decent range at 2b. The question would be is how smooth would he be turning the pivot. At this point, I don't believe he's an option at 2b, in mid august, in a pennant race, when he hasn't played there at all for over a year. But he could be in the future, if given time to work on it during the off season and in spring training. He played more SS than anywhere else his 1st 3 years in the minors before being moved to 3b in 2007. He was put there more because of depth chart issues than anything else.
   28. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: August 11, 2008 at 06:59 PM (#2898491)
It looks like Reynolds might be playing 2nd as Zona just picked up Dunn. Dunn to left, Jackson to first, Tracy to third, and Reynolds to second?

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