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Wednesday, September 01, 2010

MLB.com: Rangers acquire outfielder Francoeur [UPDATED]

The Rangers have acquired right-handed hitting outfielder Jeff Francoeur from the Mets for infielder Joaquin Arias, who was designated for assignment last week.

EARLIER:
Star-Telegram blog: Rangers, Mets talking Jeff Francoeur

The only trade discussion with any traction for the Rangers involves Jeff Francoeur, a right-handed-hitting outfielder for the Mets. A source said that talks with Boston for Mike Lowell, Colorado for Ryan Spilborghs and Los Angeles for Reed Johnson have broken off after those clubs determined that those players are not expendable.

MLB.com: Rockies get Delcarmen from Red Sox

Colorado acquired Delcarmen from the Red Sox for Minor League right-hander Chris Balcom-Miller and cash considerations. It wasn’t immediately known how much of Delcarmen’s salary his new club would assume.

 

NTNgod Posted: September 01, 2010 at 12:43 AM | 69 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. jwb Posted: September 01, 2010 at 12:52 AM (#3631302)
Adam Rubin and Jon Heyman are reporting the rumor, as well.
   2. AJM Posted: September 01, 2010 at 12:57 AM (#3631310)
Frenchy with a single, RBI, and an assist tonight. Come on Texas, you know you want him!
   3. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: September 01, 2010 at 01:00 AM (#3631320)
it's a smart move for the Rangers because Frenchy is taking a new approach at the plate and not listening to everyone anymore and getting back to basics and read and react and there's no OBP on the scoreboard and he's in the best shape of Nolan Ryan's life

(and Delta flies to Dallas)
   4. Russlan will never be fond of Jason Bay Posted: September 01, 2010 at 01:07 AM (#3631326)
Jeff Francoeur can help a team as a BENCH player. He is at least an average defensive player that has a respectable .278/.342/.478 career batting line against lefties. That doesn't make him a star but he is a decent enough guy to have on your bench.
   5. Latnam's first name is Bob Lemon's middl Posted: September 01, 2010 at 01:08 AM (#3631328)
Why would the Rangers want to do that? At least let him finish out this series against the Braves.
   6. Sam M. Posted: September 01, 2010 at 01:09 AM (#3631329)
That doesn't make him a star but he is a decent enough guy to have on your bench.

Only if he'll accept that role, Russlan. Nobody -- especially not a contender -- needs or wants a grumpy jackass on their bench in the last month of the season.
   7. jwb Posted: September 01, 2010 at 01:19 AM (#3631342)
At least let him finish out this series against the Braves.
No, because the deal has to be done by midnight for him to be playoff eligible in Texas.
   8. JeffersJV Posted: September 01, 2010 at 01:49 AM (#3631364)
Frenchy is always great his first few weeks with a new team. Thus, if there was ever a time to pick hiim up, it's when you can give him meaningful at-bats in the middle of a pennant race! *ducks*
   9. Lassus Posted: September 01, 2010 at 02:09 AM (#3631378)
Jeff's going to go to a playoff team?

Just great.
   10. Foghorn Leghorn Posted: September 01, 2010 at 02:11 AM (#3631382)
Please, please, please, please please.
   11. jwb Posted: September 01, 2010 at 02:24 AM (#3631384)
The Mets are such teases.
   12. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: September 01, 2010 at 02:25 AM (#3631385)
According to Andy Martino, "Francoeur's locker being cleaned out."

Word is Mejia and Duda are being called up.
   13. jwb Posted: September 01, 2010 at 02:31 AM (#3631389)
David Lennon says the same.
   14. AJM Posted: September 01, 2010 at 02:35 AM (#3631393)
This makes me happy.
   15. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: September 01, 2010 at 02:39 AM (#3631396)
so--he has a hot September

do the Rangers assume this represents his true level of ability?

(that will be 3-for-3 if it happens)
   16. Benji Posted: September 01, 2010 at 02:40 AM (#3631397)
Thanks for the defense and personality Frenchy. It's a shame that he never learned what to swing at, but I wish him well. Now, dammit, bite the bullet on Castillo, Ollie and Feliciano!
Texas fans, can Arias play 2nd?
   17. Joshemy Posted: September 01, 2010 at 02:43 AM (#3631401)
Whee!
   18. Foghorn Leghorn Posted: September 01, 2010 at 02:49 AM (#3631405)
I can't imagine he could get through waivers....
   19. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: September 01, 2010 at 02:49 AM (#3631406)
The Mets are such teases.

tradus interruptus
   20. NTNgod Posted: September 01, 2010 at 02:51 AM (#3631407)
Mets had to kick in cash, it appears.

Heyman:
One player moved before the deadline Tuesday was Mets outfielder Jeff Francoeur. New York shipped the right-handed hitter, along with cash, to the Rangers for infielder Joaquin Arias. With money exchanging hands, Francoeur comes extremely cheap at the and should provide Texas with some depth down the stretch.
   21. flournoy Posted: September 01, 2010 at 02:52 AM (#3631408)
This is really too bad. Hopefully the Rangers will non-tender him this offseason so the Mets can finally sign him to a long term deal.
   22. AJM Posted: September 01, 2010 at 02:52 AM (#3631409)
Rangers announcers seem happy with this. Boy are they going to be disappointed.
   23. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: September 01, 2010 at 02:54 AM (#3631412)
Rangers announcers seem happy with this. Boy are they going to be disappointed.

only by about June of next year
   24. Justin 'The Cespedobear' T Posted: September 01, 2010 at 02:55 AM (#3631413)
If there is an announce team out there who would react to this trade by panning it on the air, I'd like to know who that would be.

I'm sure Josh Lewin knows what Francoeur doesn't bring to the party.
   25. NTNgod Posted: September 01, 2010 at 03:00 AM (#3631415)
AP:
New York Mets outfielder Jeff Francoeur says he’s been traded to the Texas Rangers.
...
The teams have yet to officially announce the trade, but the strong-armed Francoeur said after a 9-2 loss to Atlanta that he’s headed to the Rangers. He says he excited about the chance to be on a playoff team.
   26. Sam M. Posted: September 01, 2010 at 03:02 AM (#3631416)
I'm sure Josh Lewin knows what Francoeur doesn't bring to the party.

You know what he doesn't bring to the party? A NEW YORK MET UNIFORM!!!! One down, two to go.

Granted, Castillo and Ollie will be a lot tougher medicine for the Wilpons to swallow, but you have to start somewhere. Clear away that dead wood, boys. Make room for something new. Anything new.
   27. AJM Posted: September 01, 2010 at 03:05 AM (#3631418)
I'm sure Josh Lewin knows what Francoeur doesn't bring to the party.

Well, he didn't seem as happy as the other dude. But it doesn't matter, I'm way happier than either of them.
   28. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: September 01, 2010 at 03:07 AM (#3631421)
I'm sorry. I would have commented earlier, but I was too busy dancing on the ceiling.
   29. NTNgod Posted: September 01, 2010 at 03:31 AM (#3631432)
MLB.com: Rangers acquire outfielder Francoeur
"We're not asking him to be an everyday starter and a prominent producer," assistant general manager Thad Levine said. "We just want him to play a more complementary role."
...
"We are looking at the composition of our 25-man roster, specifically the outfield in relationship to being predominately left-handed," Levine said. "This allows us to pick our spots with David Murphy and Julio Borbon and platoon them against tougher left-handed pitchers. This gives us a more balanced offense."
   30. Drew (Primakov, Gungho Iguanas) Posted: September 01, 2010 at 03:35 AM (#3631434)
Rangers announcers seem happy with this. Boy are they going to be disappointed.


a) They probably have to sound happy about it.
b) Rangers sent along Joaquin Arias. That alone should appease Rangers fans (and announcers).
   31. Drew (Primakov, Gungho Iguanas) Posted: September 01, 2010 at 03:38 AM (#3631436)
And (another?) complete disaster tonight in KC for the Rangers.
   32. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: September 01, 2010 at 03:38 AM (#3631437)
"We're not asking him to be an everyday starter and a prominent producer," assistant general manager Thad Levine said. "We just want him to play a more complementary role."

hmmm...its not nice to fool Mother Nature
   33. Swoboda is freedom Posted: September 01, 2010 at 03:59 AM (#3631445)
Great trade. Who did we get?
   34. jwb Posted: September 01, 2010 at 04:02 AM (#3631447)
The Rangers blogs seem realistic about expectations.
   35. formerly dp Posted: September 01, 2010 at 04:48 AM (#3631456)
This is a great day in Met history. Arias will be the new Cora, except better, right? Pretty much allows Tejada to be back in AAA next year trying to become something useful.
   36. Textbook Editor Posted: September 01, 2010 at 04:53 AM (#3631458)
Great trade. Who did we get?


That line just never gets old. It's gotta be in the Top 10 of all-time baseball quotes.
   37. Russlan will never be fond of Jason Bay Posted: September 01, 2010 at 04:58 AM (#3631459)
Could someone please explain why Justin Turner has not been called up yet? He is hitting .313/.377/.473 in AAA this year. Met 2b haven't hit a home run this year. Their OPS is barely over .500. Give Turner a shot to see if he can handle being a utility player if not a starting second baseman.
   38. twon8 Posted: September 01, 2010 at 05:06 AM (#3631465)
Turner just came back from a bad knee injury, and has only played a few games. I'd expect him up soon.
   39. AJM Posted: September 01, 2010 at 05:13 AM (#3631468)
Met 2b haven't hit a home run this year. Their OPS is barely over .500.

This is supposed to be a happy thread!
   40. Srul Itza At Home Posted: September 01, 2010 at 05:25 AM (#3631470)
And (another?) complete disaster tonight in KC for the Rangers.


They are still 8-1/2 games up.
   41. RollingWave Posted: September 01, 2010 at 06:51 AM (#3631488)
Well, if there's any hope for a guy with no plate dicipline and only ok power, it's Texas. (or Coors)
   42. True Blue Posted: September 01, 2010 at 08:55 AM (#3631496)
THE Joaquin Arias?
   43. bunyon Posted: September 01, 2010 at 12:13 PM (#3631521)
Jeff Francouer drives in the winning run in Game 7 of the LCS or WS and is signed to a 19 year, 2 trillion dollar contract. And appointed Secretary of Commerce. That seems to be the trend.
   44. Sam Hutcheson is the Rickey Henderson of... Posted: September 01, 2010 at 12:45 PM (#3631537)
Now that Francoeur is out of the Braves-Mets power axis of dread and ennui, can we start forgetting now? I mean, really, does anyone even follow the Rangers? I mean, anyone I know, and therefore of some small importance.
   45. There are no words... (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: September 01, 2010 at 01:00 PM (#3631546)
Sam H. turns on the ol' charm once again, folks...
   46. Bob Dernier Cri Posted: September 01, 2010 at 01:09 PM (#3631550)
I like to think that I loom large on the Sam Hutcheson scale of importance. That said, I assumed it was a joke when I opened my e-mail and found the message Rangers Acquire Jeff Francoeur from texasrangers.com. I came here to find it isn't. As many have said, nothing wrong with the guy as a fifth outfielder and someone who can pinch-hit against a lefty.
   47. RB in NYC (Now with New iPhone!) Posted: September 01, 2010 at 01:10 PM (#3631552)
They are still 8-1/2 games up.
They're going to the playoffs, but if don't start playing better--Lee, in particular--it is going to be a very short visit. Luckily for them, I would guess quality of play on September 1 has close to nothing to do with quality of play in ALDS Game 1.
   48. Andere Richtingen Posted: September 01, 2010 at 01:25 PM (#3631557)
Wow, this is going to be ugly. Delta eliminated their DFW hub a few years ago.
   49. Sam Hutcheson is the Rickey Henderson of... Posted: September 01, 2010 at 01:26 PM (#3631558)
I like to think that I loom large on the Sam Hutcheson scale of importance.


Higher than "Chris Dial needs another drink man!" but lower than "I am very low on avacados right now."

It's weird to me that there are large numbers of fans for teams like the Rangers and Rockies and Angels. Typically, if a team exists west of Alabama and in the American League I sort of default to thinking of it as sort of a Legoland playset creation more than an actual team with human fans. I was in Minneapolis a couple of weeks ago and was stunned to find actual humans engaged in the playoff plight of the Twins. I honestly thought Aaron Gleeman was a 'bot.
   50. Neil Kinnock...Lord Palmerston! (Orinoco) Posted: September 01, 2010 at 01:28 PM (#3631560)
One down, a dozen more heads to roll before the Mets are a professionally run organization again.
   51. formerly dp Posted: September 01, 2010 at 01:38 PM (#3631564)
I assumed it was a joke when I opened my e-mail and found the message Rangers Acquire Jeff Francoeur from texasrangers.com. I came here to find it isn't. As many have said, nothing wrong with the guy as a fifth outfielder and someone who can pinch-hit against a lefty.

Are the Rangers lefty OFs that bad against LHP? What's the story with Aris?
   52. Sam Hutcheson is the Rickey Henderson of... Posted: September 01, 2010 at 01:46 PM (#3631568)
Just briefly looking over the players, it looks like Borbon has been pretty atrocious in CF. If the plan is to push Hamilton back to CF and platoon Francoeur with David Murphy this actually has a chance of making the Rangers better.
   53. Andere Richtingen Posted: September 01, 2010 at 01:48 PM (#3631569)
It's weird to me that there are large numbers of fans for teams like the Rangers and Rockies and Angels. Typically, if a team exists west of Alabama and in the American League I sort of default to thinking of it as sort of a Legoland playset creation more than an actual team with human fans. I was in Minneapolis a couple of weeks ago and was stunned to find actual humans engaged in the playoff plight of the Twins. I honestly thought Aaron Gleeman was a 'bot.

In the late 1980s I was half-convinced that the Atlanta Braves were a hoax, created by the same group that faked the moon landing.
   54. Bob Dernier Cri Posted: September 01, 2010 at 02:04 PM (#3631574)
Are the Rangers lefty OFs that bad against LHP? What's the story with Aris?

Not that the Rangers are that bad hitting lefties, but that Francoeur can't do much else.

Arias is the notorious PTBNL that the Rangers chose instead of Robinson Cano. He can hit a very little (.286 lifetime, no power or walks) but is prone to lapses in the infield and on the basepaths, and the Rangers are tired of him.

And Sam, now that I have registered on your radar, Borbon has been anything but terrible in CF. He's faster than Hell and very sure of himself out there. It is true that he can't hit, but at .267 he's still 30 points higher than Francoeur, and a BA that high keeps him in the league as a fast #9 hitter. Moving Hamilton to CF would be a disaster for the Rangers. Their pitching looks as good as it does partly because Borbon is so good in center that they can play two marginal CFs (Murphy and Hamilton) in the corners when Nelson Cruz (an acceptable RF himself) is out of the lineup. I very much doubt that Francoeur's modest edge over Borbon at the plate could offset the domino-like effect of overextending Hamilton's defense by putting him in CF, and thereby making the corner defense weaker in turn.

From my keyboard to Ron Washington's mind, I hope ...
   55. formerly dp Posted: September 01, 2010 at 02:12 PM (#3631578)
If the plan is to push Hamilton back to CF and platoon Francoeur with David Murphy this actually has a chance of making the Rangers better.

Murphy played CF last night- his overall numbers don't reflect how good he has been since the break- he was hitting for average before, but not doing much else- since the break- .277/.365/.496.
   56. Sam Hutcheson is the Rickey Henderson of... Posted: September 01, 2010 at 02:25 PM (#3631590)
In the late 1980s I was half-convinced that the Atlanta Braves were a hoax, created by the same group that faked the moon landing.


In the late '80s you would have found better baseball on the moon.
   57. formerly dp Posted: September 01, 2010 at 02:26 PM (#3631592)
Not that the Rangers are that bad hitting lefties, but that Francoeur can't do much else.

No he can't. His line this year isn't even all that impresssive- .280/.351/.410/.761.

I guess Murphy has a pretty regular split, and could probably benefit from sitting against LHP, but now that I look it up, he has been pretty good against them this year- .290/.345/.400/.745.
   58. Bob Dernier Cri Posted: September 01, 2010 at 02:31 PM (#3631598)
Murphy played CF last night

With Vlad in right and Cruz in left ... and the Rangers gave up ten runs :(
   59. formerly dp Posted: September 01, 2010 at 02:37 PM (#3631605)
With Vlad in right and Cruz in left ... and the Rangers gave up ten runs :(

Frenchy can go get it in CF with the best of them. You're gonna love him.
   60. Lassus Posted: September 01, 2010 at 02:47 PM (#3631620)
With Vlad in right and Cruz in left ... and the Rangers gave up ten runs :(

I'd have to look at the play log and hit locations, but I doubt all ten of these runs are because of the outfielders. Or even a majority.
   61. Andere Richtingen Posted: September 01, 2010 at 03:19 PM (#3631656)
While it's fun to make jokes about The Frencher, this is pretty much a no harm situation in the short-term. With the expanded roster, his place on the team isn't going to displace someone better. Maybe I'm wrong but Arias doesn't appear to be much of a loss. He isn't going to cost much. And le Roi Soleil hits lefties okay and is not a bad guy to have if you limit him to that job. Even if he gets significant play time and stinks, it's highly unlikely that he will put a dent in the Rangers' 8.5 game lead.

But that's just the short-term. You have to worry that if the Rangers get a decent month out of him they will try to get him on the post-season roster in place of superior talent, or extend him beyond that. This is a reasonable thing to worry about, particularly since the Rangers have a fairly safe lead and there is almost no chance that the Bordeaux Bomber will have any real impact even if he does happen to win a few games for them. So, it's all risk (the risk of being stuck with Pepé Le Pew) with the only possibility of a benefit being that he has a great month, sneaks on to the postseason roster, and then has an impact in the postseason. I am guessing that Rangers fans could put up with Kermit's presence on the roster in 2011 if he brings them some glory in October, but beyond that highly unlikely scenario, they can just hope that he gets a few quiet plate appearances in September and then heads back to Gay Paree.
   62. Kirby Kyle Posted: September 01, 2010 at 03:28 PM (#3631662)
Based on the play-by-play I heard last night, most of the hits Cliff Lee gave up were sharp grounders and line drives. Betancourt homered off the base of the foul pole.
   63. Home Run Teal & Black Black Black Gone! Posted: September 01, 2010 at 03:33 PM (#3631666)
Typically, if a team exists west of Alabama and in the American League I sort of default to thinking of it as sort of a Legoland playset creation more than an actual team with human fans


I'm the same way. All the National League teams are very tangible to me, but outside of the American League teams that the media beats me over the head with and/or those formerly local to me (Yankees, Red Sox, Rays), AL teams are an abstract concept.
   64. Bob Dernier Cri Posted: September 01, 2010 at 03:39 PM (#3631674)
Of course, but my point is simply that overextending your outfield defense is not a bright move, unless you suddenly acquire a young Adam Dunn or somebody, and maybe even then.

An odd thing about the Rangers this year is that they keep bringing in veteran presence and the team keeps spinning its wheels. They've played .500 ball over the last two months, the Cliff Lee / Bengie Molina / Jorge Cantu era. Seems to me the kids were doing OK on their own, though of course their schedule has been tougher since the Break.
   65. rb's team is hopeful for the new year! Posted: September 01, 2010 at 03:41 PM (#3631675)
Frenchy can go get it in CF with the best of them. You're gonna love him.

I assume this is a joke.
   66. Swoboda is freedom Posted: September 02, 2010 at 12:24 AM (#3631720)
Frenchy broke the internet.
   67. NTNgod Posted: September 02, 2010 at 01:35 AM (#3631760)
You have to worry that if the Rangers get a decent month out of him they will try to get him on the post-season roster in place of superior talent

If they weren't planning on including him on the postseason roster, they wouldn't have rushed to get the trade done on the last day for postseason eligibility.
   68. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: September 02, 2010 at 12:29 PM (#3631775)
I'm dimly aware that there's a thing called the National League, in which they claim to play baseball, but I'm pretty sure it's a hoax.
   69. Petuniaviles Posted: September 02, 2010 at 05:32 PM (#3632171)
This pickup does expand the Rangers' options, and in a vacuum Francoeur as a RHB platoon/bench outfielder for a September playoff run certainly makes some sense, but in context it's not at all clear what the Rangers are going to do. Hamilton already plays CF regularly because Borbon cannot hit. On the occasions where this is the case, typically against lefties, replacing David Murphy with Francoeur may (or may not) be an upgrade based primarily on retaining the platoon advantage. The problem being that Borbon and Murphy are almost certainly the two best outfielders on the team, and the Rangers do have some flyball guys. So... lots of pressure on Wash to play the matchups well. Which I guess is actually what you do want to be doing as a team headed to the playoffs.

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