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Tuesday, January 14, 2014

Stark: Bud Selig remains committed to retirement

“Part of his legacy is the establishment of the toughest anti-doping rules in all of American pro sports.”

Though many people in his sport are still skeptical, baseball commissioner Bud Selig told ESPN.com he is “100 percent” committed to retiring in a year and that he hopes to visit all 30 parks in his final season…

“I want to talk to season-ticket holders and fans,” he said. “I’ve got a lot of people to thank.”

That idea came about, he said, in part because several clubs reached out to him after his announcement and asked to honor him, but also because [Mariano] Rivera’s farewell tour got Selig to thinking about ways to connect with people who love baseball.

“I like that,” Selig said. “I like talking to people. And ... that’s what I want to do: [speak to] season-ticket holders, people who work at ballparks. I just like to walk around and talk to people. I love that. I did that when I ran the Brewers. And I enjoyed it. I miss that.

“Many people ask me, ‘Is there anything you miss [about owning a team]?’ And that’s it. I really miss all that. I knew every vendor. And you knew what they were thinking, too, because they’ll tell you, especially if your team is losing.”

Not so long ago, Selig conceded, there was a time when he was so unpopular, he couldn’t have done anything like this.

“It would have been an ugly experience,” he said. “If I’d done it in the ‘90s, I would have needed nine security people to make sure that I made it out of there.” ...

“I’ve done this now for a long time, 22 years,” Selig said. “It will be 23 by that time. Other than [Kenesaw Mountain] Landis, nobody has ever done this job longer. I’m going to be 80 years old next July 30. And I really do want to teach ... and I want to write a book, and I want to do it while, God willing, my health is good and my mind is still reasonably active, although many would disagree with that.”

The District Attorney Posted: January 14, 2014 at 04:47 PM | 66 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Rough Carrigan Posted: January 14, 2014 at 04:54 PM (#4638920)
Who's trying to stop him?
Go away. Let the sport be and stop trying to make the whole world revolve around your perception of your legacy.
   2. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: January 14, 2014 at 04:58 PM (#4638926)
That idea came about, he said, in part because several clubs reached out to him after his announcement and asked to honor him

Sure they did.
   3. John Northey Posted: January 14, 2014 at 05:05 PM (#4638933)
If I was at the park and they showed his face on the screen I'd boo very loudly. He has caused a lot of harm over his years. The people who should love him are the owners as he made them obscene amounts of money. That's it.
   4. Riki Tiki Javy Lopez Posted: January 14, 2014 at 05:11 PM (#4638939)
Agreed, #3. This ain't gonna be a Chipper or Mo-type farewell tour. Bud's gonna get booed everywhere he goes. And his clownish mug, complete with shrugging shoulders from the All-Star tie, will be shown over and over again.
   5. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: January 14, 2014 at 05:14 PM (#4638941)
Jay Leno's down to his last 3+ weeks, and you don't see him going around, trying to convince the world that he was always the funniest man who ever lived.
   6. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: January 14, 2014 at 05:18 PM (#4638945)
I was just a kid at the time, so it's in that weird spot of "too long ago for me to remember, but not long enough ago for it to be a firm part of baseball history," but I've always been surprised that his role in the Owner's Collusion of the late 80s wasn't a bigger scandal.

Reading back on it now, it just makes me think "Shouldn't those owners have been black-balled for life? How is it possible that they ever got another job in baseball ever again--much less the commissioner's job!?!"
   7. Random Transaction Generator Posted: January 14, 2014 at 05:19 PM (#4638947)
Jay Leno's down to his last 3+ weeks


Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice, shame on me.

I'm not falling for THAT trick again.
   8. madvillain Posted: January 14, 2014 at 05:23 PM (#4638949)
“I’ve done this now for a long time, 22 years,” Selig said. “It will be 23 by that time. Other than [Kenesaw Mountain] Landis, nobody has ever done this job longer. I’m going to be 80 years old next July 30. And I really do want to teach ... and I want to write a book, and I want to do it while, God willing, my health is good and my mind is still reasonably active, although many would disagree with that.”


Holy crap, he's almost 80?
   9. Pat Rapper's Delight Posted: January 14, 2014 at 05:34 PM (#4638960)
Holy crap, he's almost 80?

To be fair, his toupee hasn't aged any in the last 25 years.
   10. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: January 14, 2014 at 05:42 PM (#4638967)
He has his faults and his mistakes but I think the scales tilt more positive than negative when it comes to Bud.

He is in Boston a few times a year and inevitably gets into the TV/radio booth for an inning with the guys and it always strikes me that deep down the guy remains a baseball fan. It's nice to hear.
   11. Captain Supporter Posted: January 14, 2014 at 05:44 PM (#4638969)
The steroid defenders will never embrace Bud.
   12. JE (Jason) Posted: January 14, 2014 at 05:56 PM (#4638979)
That idea came about, he said, in part because several clubs reached out to him after his announcement and asked to honor him, but also because [Mariano] Rivera’s farewell tour got Selig to thinking about ways to connect with people who love baseball.

You read it here first: Bud Selig will be named MVP of the All-Star Game.
   13. dlf Posted: January 14, 2014 at 06:02 PM (#4638984)
Just like LaRussa with McGwire, Selig will be in the HOF long before Bonds / Clemens.
   14. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: January 14, 2014 at 06:11 PM (#4638989)
No way is he going to retire before he's been Commissioner longer than Landis was.
   15. TerpNats Posted: January 14, 2014 at 06:29 PM (#4639005)
Washingtonians will always thank Selig for helping bring MLB back to D.C., while simultaneously cursing him for saddling the Nats with a terrible TV deal merely to appease Cuban Pete at the other end of the Parkway.
   16. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 14, 2014 at 06:48 PM (#4639023)
Reading back on it now, it just makes me think "Shouldn't those owners have been black-balled for life? How is it possible that they ever got another job in baseball ever again--much less the commissioner's job!?!"


The boss doesn't fire the boss.
   17. John Northey Posted: January 14, 2014 at 06:49 PM (#4639024)
As a fan of the Expos forgiveness is a hard thing to have. That franchise was screwed royally by the Bud era - first the 94 strike, then letting Loria run it into the ground, then the bizarre MLB owning the club so Loria could get richer, then moving to Washington. Ugly disaster all around.

Mix in how he still claims that it is impossible for him to have known there was a steroid/PED issue pre-98 (heck, I think he still claims pre-Bonds 2001) and I think it is a total joke how he'll end up in the HOF a few minutes post-retirement. Any club dumb enough to do a 'Bud Selig day' outside of maybe Milwaukee (he did bring the team back there) deserves to be embarrassed by the booing that will occur.
   18. Johnny Sycophant-Laden Fora Posted: January 14, 2014 at 06:56 PM (#4639027)
He has his faults and his mistakes but I think the scales tilt more positive than negative when it comes to Bud.


I don't see it, I've come around to thinking that Bud Selig is one of the worst things that has ever, ever happened to MLB.
Good riddance.
   19. Joey B. has reignited his October #Natitude Posted: January 14, 2014 at 06:58 PM (#4639031)
The steroid defenders will never embrace Bud.

True, but nobody really cares what the peanut brittle brained dipshits think. They're pretty much impotent and irrelevant outside of this reverberating little echo chamber.
   20. Dan Evensen Posted: January 14, 2014 at 07:00 PM (#4639033)
He has his faults and his mistakes but I think the scales tilt more positive than negative when it comes to Bud.


I know that some on this website feel this way, and that you are not the only one. I know that we've had threads about this before. Still, I don't understand this point of view, not at all.

Have we already forgotten about the debilitating 1994 work stoppage, which came around in large part because Bud wanted to cripple the player's union? Have we already forgotten about the 2001 contraction announcement, made merely days after the end of one of the greatest World Series of all time, and the damage that did to the fan base in Minnesota and Montreal? Have we forgotten about Bud allowing Loria to run the Expos into the ground in the early 2000s (coke to John Northey)? Have we forgotten about Bud dismantling the office of league president and introducing interleague play, which has damaged the popularity of both the All Star Game and the World Series? Have we forgotten about the moronic way the 2002 All Star Game ended?

Yes, baseball revenues increased dramatically between 1993 and 2013. Yes, baseball now has an excellent online presence through MLB.TV. Yes, it is now easier to follow baseball closely than it has ever been in the past. However, I don't see how you can attribute any of that to any decisions or leadership that Selig showed. The exact same is true of the NFL, NBA, NHL and EPL, and is almost certainly a product of the expansion of cable and satellite television, as well as the development of the internet.

Frankly, the closest thing to a positive development I can think of in Selig's favor is how he avoided a work stoppage in 2003. If there is a stoppage in 2016 due to the A-Rod fiasco, however, I think that wipes that point out completely.

Just watch -- Selig will try to set up a Rivera-style retirement tour of all 30 parks for himself throughout the year. I hope to hear choruses of boos and see row after row of Expos hats.
   21. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: January 14, 2014 at 07:08 PM (#4639037)
Selig's a vain and greedy buffoon.

Good riddance.
   22. Jimbo Posted: January 14, 2014 at 07:37 PM (#4639057)
Selig's legacy is as the buffoon who canceled the World Series, and caused more damage to the MLB than any individual post integration.
   23. JJ1986 Posted: January 14, 2014 at 07:40 PM (#4639060)
Bud Selig had the league buy a team even though it wasn't necessary. Nothing he did can balance that out.
   24. Swedish Chef Posted: January 14, 2014 at 07:46 PM (#4639062)
I don't see how you can attribute any of that to any decisions or leadership that Selig showed. The exact same is true of the NFL, NBA, NHL and EPL, and is almost certainly a product of the expansion of cable and satellite television, as well as the development of the internet.

Note that most of the world simply can't get legal streamed EPL.

Without the example of MLB.TV I'm not sure the others would have realized the opportunity. Because these things don't happen automatically (just try to get streamed HBO or something like that).
   25. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: January 14, 2014 at 08:02 PM (#4639076)
Just watch -- Selig will try to set up a Rivera-style retirement tour of all 30 parks for himself throughout the year
CBS Sports: Bud Selig hoping for farewell tour of all 30 MLB cities in 2014

I'd like to see A-Rod follow Selig around all summer.
   26. TerpNats Posted: January 14, 2014 at 08:06 PM (#4639081)
While Selig's machinations eventually paved the way for the Washington Nationals, they also helped create Evil Empire II by enabling John Henry to ditch the Marlins and take over the Bosox to provide an AL East foil for the Yankees after the Orioles proved unworthy. Alas, Bud didn't realize it would distort MLB by focusing on two teams at the expense of the 28 others.
   27. Dan Evensen Posted: January 14, 2014 at 08:07 PM (#4639083)
Note that most of the world simply can't get legal streamed EPL.

Without the example of MLB.TV I'm not sure the others would have realized the opportunity. Because these things don't happen automatically (just try to get streamed HBO or something like that).


Fine, I'll give you the EPL. You can still get legal NFL, NBA and NHL streamed.

It's true that these things don't just happen automatically. However, how much of the credit should we assign to Selig? Should we give him any credit at all?
   28. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: January 14, 2014 at 08:08 PM (#4639087)
I'd like to see A-Rod follow Selig around all summer.


I wouldn't rule it out.
   29. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: January 14, 2014 at 08:18 PM (#4639095)
I'd like to see A-Rod follow Selig around all summer.

Dinsdale and Spiny Norman
   30. The Yankee Clapper Posted: January 14, 2014 at 08:40 PM (#4639100)
Have we already forgotten about the debilitating 1994 work stoppage, which came around in large part because Bud wanted to cripple the player's union? Have we already forgotten about the 2001 contraction announcement, made merely days after the end of one of the greatest World Series of all time, and the damage that did to the fan base in Minnesota and Montreal? Have we forgotten about Bud allowing Loria to run the Expos into the ground in the early 2000s (coke to John Northey)? Have we forgotten about Bud dismantling the office of league president and introducing interleague play, which has damaged the popularity of both the All Star Game and the World Series? Have we forgotten about the moronic way the 2002 All Star Game ended?

Hell, No! Never forget!

Many of the plusses of the Selig era are accidents of timing. He was lucky enough to have his tenure overlap with the revenue surges that came from Cable TV, the Internet & team-owned regional sports channels, but did little other than not get in the way of the flow of dough. Where he took an active role -- collusion, contraction, crony ownership, the 1994-95 work stoppage -- the consequences were not good for the game.
   31. Johnny Sycophant-Laden Fora Posted: January 14, 2014 at 08:50 PM (#4639105)
I'd like to see A-Rod follow Selig around all summer.


I'd love to see AROD stalk Selig with a reality TV crew in tow.
   32. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: January 14, 2014 at 09:01 PM (#4639109)
I'd love to see AROD stalk Selig with a reality TV crew in tow.
And a piss test, Rick Reilly-Sammy Sosa style.
   33. Tom Nawrocki Posted: January 14, 2014 at 09:02 PM (#4639111)
Have we already forgotten about the debilitating 1994 work stoppage, which came around in large part because Bud wanted to cripple the player's union? Have we already forgotten about the 2001 contraction announcement, made merely days after the end of one of the greatest World Series of all time, and the damage that did to the fan base in Minnesota and Montreal? Have we forgotten about Bud allowing Loria to run the Expos into the ground in the early 2000s (coke to John Northey)? Have we forgotten about Bud dismantling the office of league president and introducing interleague play, which has damaged the popularity of both the All Star Game and the World Series? Have we forgotten about the moronic way the 2002 All Star Game ended?


Don't forget that Selig also set himself up as the ultimate arbiter of who would be permitted to own a major league team, with disastrous results. In addition to bending over backwards to allow Loria's continuing infection, he also was directly responsible for ownership fiascos with the Dodgers and Astros.
   34. 'Spos stares out the window, waits for spring Posted: January 14, 2014 at 09:03 PM (#4639112)
#### that guy, I want my ####### team back.
   35. Random Transaction Generator Posted: January 14, 2014 at 09:45 PM (#4639130)
True, but nobody really cares what the peanut brittle brained dipshits think. They're pretty much impotent and irrelevant outside of this reverberating little echo chamber.


There is great joy in knowing that crybaby Joey will probably live long enough to see Clemens/Bonds make it into the HOF .
Since he'll probably poop his pants in anger, I hope (for his sake) he's already required by the home to wear adult diapers most of the time.
   36. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: January 14, 2014 at 09:57 PM (#4639137)
The steroid defenders will never embrace Bud.


Steroid witch-hunters have just as big a beef with him, or should. But then again, most steroid witch-hunters haven't demonstrated much capacity for deep thought.
   37. Bug Selig Posted: January 14, 2014 at 10:10 PM (#4639147)
They're pretty much impotent and irrelevant outside of this reverberating little echo chamber.


Pot, this is kettle...
   38. Bob Tufts Posted: January 14, 2014 at 10:34 PM (#4639151)
Selig's # 1 job was to make his fellow owners money - he did this well (how much he can take credit for is a topic for discussion).

His # 2 job as Commissioner was to be the public face of the game as its CEO, which he could not accomplish. He only turned up when things went wrong and was not in front of the curve with positive promotions or events.

It is odd, as I have communicated with him numerous times over the years and he can be charming and open when it comes to the soul of the game.

   39. Jim Wisinski Posted: January 14, 2014 at 10:36 PM (#4639152)
Have we forgotten about Bud dismantling the office of league president


Can someone please explain to me why some people seem to think it's a big deal that league presidents don't exist any longer? It gets brought up occasionally as some horrible crime against the game but seems to me to be an utterly irrelevant thing. MLB is a single cohesive entity these days and wouldn't make much sense to be otherwise, there's no point in having separate league presidents who would have no real power over anything anyway.
   40. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: January 14, 2014 at 10:43 PM (#4639155)
Don't look at me, Jim, I don't see any point to there being leagues anymore.
   41. Dr. Vaux Posted: January 14, 2014 at 10:44 PM (#4639156)
The reason for leagues is so that one can have no DH.
   42. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 14, 2014 at 10:54 PM (#4639163)

Don't forget that Selig also set himself up as the ultimate arbiter of who would be permitted to own a major league team, with disastrous results. In addition to bending over backwards to allow Loria's continuing infection, he also was directly responsible for ownership fiascos with the Dodgers and Astros.


To a lesser extent, the Royals too. He rejected Miles Prentice's much larger bid in favor of David Glass (and later rejected Prentice for the Red Sox in favor of John Henry).

How was Bud responsible for the Astros ownership situation and is it necessarily a fiasco or a team rebuilding?

He let the Expos move to Washington, but don't forget, Bud was Commish when MLB blocked the Giants moving to Tampa Bay.
   43. fra paolo Posted: January 14, 2014 at 11:33 PM (#4639191)
Can someone please explain to me why some people seem to think it's a big deal that league presidents don't exist any longer?

While I wouldn't call the end of the league presidencies a horrible crime, there was a profound charm to baseball's highly distinctive leagues when compared to the rather anonymous 'conferences' of other sports.*

There was a time when the leagues had different umpires, when trading players between teams in different leagues required them to pass through waivers, and they even used balls from different manufacturers. The reason there is no DH in the NL is a product of this era, and the subsequent inability of the leagues to achieve common ground on this matter. The result is quite apparent in statistics from the olden days.

Having separate league executives reinforced this notion, and symbolised how the commissioner was not the CEO of MLB, but the highest official of Organised Baseball, arbitrator of disputes between leagues, whether major or minor. There are obvious problems of efficiency with such a leadership structure, especially once common negotiating efforts such as for national television rights or with the players' association are needed.

On the other hand, less concentrated executive authority makes it more difficult for the mistaken judgement of one person to create a mess that might take years to recover from.

The rot really set in with Ueberroth. He came to office full of p--s and vinegar, determined to bring his commercial efficiency to a dilapidated structure dominated by the jealousies of petty barons. The result was collusion and a failure of his attempt to enforce a uniform DH policy on both leagues. The fact that he was followed by Giamatti, a much more retiring figure with a labour hardliner reputation, and who actually liked baseball, is telling.
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* Having said that, it is my impression that the AFC and NFC retained their personalities for quite a long time. I don't think they really faded until the 1990s.
   44. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: January 14, 2014 at 11:56 PM (#4639196)
MLB is a single cohesive entity these days and wouldn't make much sense to be otherwise, there's no point in having separate league presidents who would have no real power over anything anyway.


fra really hits it. The elimination of the league presidencies was not a problem in and of itself, but symbolic of the destruction of the distinct and separate leagues that many of us found appealing.
   45. JE (Jason) Posted: January 15, 2014 at 12:13 AM (#4639200)
a much more retiring figure with a labour hardliner reputation

It's interesting that Bart Giamatti's deputy, Fay Vincent, seemed quite sympathetic to the MLBPA after becoming commish.
   46. The Yankee Clapper Posted: January 15, 2014 at 12:27 AM (#4639204)
The elimination of the league presidencies was not a problem in and of itself, but symbolic of the destruction of the distinct and separate leagues that many of us found appealing.

True. The League Presidents were representative of the long era when the leagues were as much rivals as partners. Not sure how much credit Selig should get for the more unified MLB configuration, but perhaps it took a man of no fixed principle to ease the transition.
   47. flournoy Posted: January 15, 2014 at 12:43 AM (#4639216)
I predict that MLB's next commissioner will be more photogenic than his predecessor.
   48. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: January 15, 2014 at 07:13 AM (#4639263)
Like the trade in human slavery, I'm sure it's a money spinner, but interleague play is the spawn of evil itself. I loathe it. Needless to say I was a huge fan of two distinct leagues. Thanks Bud.
   49. bobm Posted: January 15, 2014 at 08:23 AM (#4639271)
fra really hits it. The elimination of the league presidencies was not a problem in and of itself, but symbolic of the destruction of the distinct and separate leagues that many of us found appealing.

It also has had the effect of devaluing the league pennants (versus the World Series) into a mere semifinal round of playoffs IMO.

   50. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: January 15, 2014 at 09:58 AM (#4639313)
I predict that MLB's next commissioner will be more photogenic than his predecessor.

But Rondo Hatton is dead.
   51. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: January 15, 2014 at 10:09 AM (#4639322)
Say what you want about Honest Bud but no commissioner of baseball ever took secret under-the-table loans from a team owner with more panache.
   52. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: January 15, 2014 at 10:20 AM (#4639328)
Say what you want about Honest Bud but no commissioner of baseball ever took secret under-the-table loans from a team owner with more panache.

Why would Selig need a loan? Surely he could just steal more money from the Yankees for his slush fund, if it ever ran dry.
   53. jobu Posted: January 15, 2014 at 10:21 AM (#4639329)
A tie will be played in his honor in all 30 MLB parks. Stick around for the post-game shrugging contest. One lucky fan will win a used car at each game; one lucky bald fan will win a toupee'.
   54. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 15, 2014 at 10:36 AM (#4639334)
A tie will be played in his honor in all 30 MLB parks. Stick around for the post-game shrugging contest. One lucky fan will win a used car at each game; one lucky bald fan will win a toupee'.


The Mariners will play one home game this year in Milwaukee. This year's World Series will be temporarily cancelled in his honor.
   55. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: January 15, 2014 at 10:37 AM (#4639335)
Why would Selig need a loan? Surely he could just steal more money from the Yankees for his slush fund, if it ever ran dry.


Sadly this was before Bud was able to establish his slush fund - the pervasive creep of his socialist schemes hadn't reached the point where such an obvious scam was presentable. Fortunately he was able to repay Twin's owner Carl Pohlad's chicanery and discretion by lavishing hundreds of millions of unearned dollars into his vaults, so really everyone wins.
   56. McCoy Posted: January 15, 2014 at 10:50 AM (#4639354)
and they even used balls from different manufacturers.

The leagues did this for a very short time. After a few years one ball manufacturer bought the other one out and they made all the balls in the same factory but simply put different names on the balls.
   57. What Zupcic? Posted: January 15, 2014 at 11:04 AM (#4639366)
I think people picturing 30 ballparks fulls of fans booing Bud Selig are being a bit delusional. Sure, he should probably wear a false mustache and take off his wig if he's ever in Montreal but other than that? Most people like interleague play and I have a hard time imagining people working up much ire over a work stoppage 20 years ago or an exhibition baseball game ending in a weird manner more than a decade ago.
   58. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 15, 2014 at 11:06 AM (#4639370)
Aren't Commissioners booed in every sport? I don't think baseball would be much different. I don't think people think "hey there's the great guy that instituted interleague play," they think "hey, there's an authority figure that is probably screwing my teams somehow."
   59. GregD Posted: January 15, 2014 at 11:13 AM (#4639373)
Aren't Commissioners booed in every sport? I don't think baseball would be much different. I don't think people think "hey there's the great guy that instituted interleague play," they think "hey, there's an authority figure that is probably screwing my teams somehow."
They should introduce him as The Chairman for proper WWE style booing
   60. McCoy Posted: January 15, 2014 at 11:20 AM (#4639376)
Most people like interleague play

I think most people don't care about interleague play. Nobody gets all excited because an NL teams plays an AL team. People get excited for two things. A good game and or their favorite team playing a good team.
   61. What Zupcic? Posted: January 15, 2014 at 11:21 AM (#4639379)
Aren't Commissioners booed in every sport?


That's a fair point. I don't really watch the other "Big 3" so I wasn't aware to the extent of how much those guys are booed. I'll amend my comment to say that if Bud Selig does get booed it'll be by people, like you say, thinking "hey, there's an authority figure that (has) probably screw(ed) my teams somehow" rather than "I'll NEVER forgive him for disbanding the league offices and ending the 2002 all-star game in a tie!"
   62. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 15, 2014 at 11:31 AM (#4639389)
Yea, I think that's accurate. I think there may be some residual blame from older fans putting the labor stoppage on him, but I don't think Bud is as hated by the general baseball fan population as he is here. But I wouldn't go as far to say the average fan likes Bud. I'm not even sure Bud's friends and family like Bud.
   63. if nature called, ladodger34 would listen Posted: January 15, 2014 at 11:54 AM (#4639412)
I will say that interleague play has created an Angels-Dodgers rivalry to an extent. At thr same time, I think the Angels semi-recent success helped as well. Prior to '02, I think most Dodger fans kind of rooted for the Angels. Heck, I liked watching those late 90s, early 00's Angels better than the Dodgers because the Angels were more interesting. Salmon, Erstad, Edmonds, Percy, Anderson, Glaus, etc were all homegrown guys that were really good players.

Of course, most Angels fans at the same time hated the Dodgers and still do. I still think the rivalvry is one sided. We have the Giants and the Angels rivals seem to kind of change every couple of years.

Bud will always get a negative strike for not having the Dodgers involved in the celebration of Jackie's 50th anniversary of his first game.
   64. Tom Nawrocki Posted: January 15, 2014 at 01:04 PM (#4639520)
How was Bud responsible for the Astros ownership situation and is it necessarily a fiasco or a team rebuilding?


I honestly don't know much more about it other than what I've read here, but there were stories that the Crane group was drastically undercapitalized. You'd think that'd be the first thing they'd want to avoid in a new owner.

The steps they've taken may just be a result of a complete rebuild, but they are certainly consistent with being hopelessly broke, as well.
   65. Moeball Posted: January 15, 2014 at 10:16 PM (#4640012)
I'd say MLB's last Commissioner was Fay Vincent but I'm not even sure that's accurate. Might have to go further back than that to find someone who wasn't wholly bought and paid for by the owners. Maybe Happy Chandler? Saw how well that worked out. They booted him out after one term. That's what he got for forcing integration.

Bud has only ever been an owner representing only the interests of the owners and nothing else. Nothing to celebrate here.

I don't think Bud is as hated by the general baseball fan population as he is here.


The average baseball fan is an imbecile. Fortunately, most of them don't know how to access this website but we do get exceptions on occasion. Like anyone who ever disagrees with me. :)
   66. Moeball Posted: January 15, 2014 at 10:25 PM (#4640016)
How was Bud responsible for the Astros ownership situation and is it necessarily a fiasco or a team rebuilding?


I honestly don't know much more about it other than what I've read here, but there were stories that the Crane group was drastically undercapitalized. You'd think that'd be the first thing they'd want to avoid in a new owner.


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