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Monday, April 07, 2014

Steinberg: Braves announcers on Bryce Harper

Announcers think Harper is kicky!

If my math is correct, the Braves and Nats have played three times this season. And in all three of the Atlanta broadcasts on Fox Sports South, the Braves announcers managed to take cracks at Bryce Harper.

I didn’t watch the entire Atlanta broadcasts — just segments, after fans highlighted individual cracks. I can’t promise this is a comprehensive cataloging.

...First, Caray and Joe Simpson discussed Harper’s offseason during an early-game at-bat, while showing a photo of him with his UFC belt.

“In the offseason Bryce Harper made it a point to let the world know about his offseason conditioning program,” Caray said. “He really hit the weight room in preparation for this 2014 season. Maybe he was looking more like an NFL linebacker.”

“I don’t know why young guys think that more muscles mean more power,” Simpson said. “That’s almost a clown move, bro. Long line of guys who think that muscles equal more power, and not necessarily so. You can make a phone call to Jeff Francoeur and see how that affected him. Jeff thought that beefing up to about 230 would help him hit more homers, and it did not. In fact it had an opposite effect….[Harper’s] such a gifted baseball player, can do so many things well. Any team would love to have him on their ballclub. You just would hate to see him somehow affect what comes naturally to him and how strong he already was before he worked out, or did whatever he did this winter.”

Later, Harper struck out again.

“How concerned are you about Harper now? Ten strikeouts in his first 21 at-bats. I know it’s early, but….” Caray began.

“I’m not concerned at all,” Simpson laughed.

“Let me rephrase that: How concerned do you think the Nats are?” Caray asked.

“I would think that they’d want to revisit that workout program,” Simpson said.

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   1. markj111 Posted: April 07, 2014 at 06:24 PM (#4681450)
IMHO Chip Caray is the absolute worst baseball anouncer around. Only Sterling comes close.
   2. The District Attorney Posted: April 07, 2014 at 06:26 PM (#4681453)
So you're saying there's still a chance for Francoeur??
   3. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: April 07, 2014 at 06:32 PM (#4681458)
Guy puts on massive muscle gain during one off-season in "the gym" and opposing announcers indicate that maybe he's on the Melky Program? Man, that's shocking, huh?
   4. Select Storage Device Posted: April 07, 2014 at 06:55 PM (#4681477)
I didn't get that from the excerpt at least. Not that it doesn't play on an old trope -- ballplayers shouldn't lift weights.

I am also giving them much less credit than you are, since indicating that strenuously working your muscles so they get bigger and stronger is, to them, "unnatural".

   5. haven Posted: April 07, 2014 at 07:04 PM (#4681481)
those are "cracks" at harper? just seem like observations to me. not that i think they are right or wrong, but this seems like the non-story of all non-stories.
   6. spike Posted: April 07, 2014 at 07:08 PM (#4681482)
Admittedly a braves fan, but damn that's some thin skin.

//also willing to freely stipulate Chip Caray is beyond terrible.
   7. valuearbitrageur Posted: April 07, 2014 at 07:31 PM (#4681496)
2005 was the true Frenchy, just slim down Jeff and you will be all the way back!
   8. madvillain Posted: April 07, 2014 at 07:34 PM (#4681501)
It seems to me that the Braves and their fans have a huge chip on their shoulder. The'F_ck did MLB do to them, anyways?
   9. Moeball Posted: April 07, 2014 at 07:39 PM (#4681504)
It seems to me that the Braves and their fans have a huge chip on their shoulder. The'F_ck did MLB do to them, anyways?


Only let them win one championship in the 1990s? (shrug)

I wonder what the announcers for opposing teams said in April of 1967 when Carl Yastrzemski showed up a bit beefier after an offseason of regularly hitting the weight room for the first time in his career?
   10. Joey B. Posted: April 07, 2014 at 07:56 PM (#4681515)
The Nationals should play this on the jumbotron every time these idiots come into town. Redneck pride, baby.
   11. Select Storage Device Posted: April 07, 2014 at 08:05 PM (#4681517)
It seems to me that the Braves and their fans have a huge chip on their shoulder. The'F_ck did MLB do to them, anyways?


The Braves media damn sure can't keep Frenchy out their mouths. I wonder too.

I'll throw a copper in on a small part being over-exposure from a maturing media workforce that grew up on TBS Braves games. They are still a national team to those folks, and maybe rightly so.

This article shouldn't exist, tho.
   12. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: April 07, 2014 at 08:35 PM (#4681531)

It seems to me that the Braves and their fans have a huge chip on their shoulder. The'F_ck did MLB do to them, anyways?


I guess I'm struggling to see this chip. Braves fan, granted, so it's my shoulder and I don't have the greatest view of it, but aside from the tiresome Sam-Joey antics here, I don't see that Braves fans are any more or less inclined to chippiness than any other fanbase. The Braves had a couple incidents last year with Harper, Gomez and Fernandez, and I know those stuck out, but they were also relatively rare events for the organization.

Hell, I've been more struck by how fabulously unpopular the Braves are on this site. They were so widely loathed that the Dodgers- the freaking Dodgers- were the BTF rooting interests in the LDS last season.
   13. DL from MN Posted: April 07, 2014 at 09:05 PM (#4681541)
Quit doing the Tomahawk Chop if you want to be liked.
   14. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: April 07, 2014 at 09:37 PM (#4681552)
The nub of this "chip", at least with reference to this article, is that the Nats have had their collective knobs polished by fawning national media types ever since they hit the draft lottery back to back on the superstar, can't miss, go-ahead-and-put-them-in-the-Hall-now Strasburg and Harper. The fact that neither has done much of jack #### to actually earn such fawning praise so far is continually ignored so that the preferred narrative of DC's superteam of perfect baseball kids can retake center stage. Meanwhile, the Braves took their three down years in stride, rebuilt through the best draft and develop organization in the NL barring perhaps the Cardinals (depending on what side the coin lands on any given draft class.) There's a notable tiredness in the national media, especially out of Bristol, with the Braves. I can only assume that the dynastic years of the Run is the driver there. I assume that sustained greatness isn't as interesting to cover as His Lord and Grace Sir Bryce of House Harper.

Knowing the Braves announcers pretty well, I can tell you that the subtext of those comments above are 1) man, isn't it funny how everyone is riding the Nationals bandwagon again this year and 2) if anyone other than the golden boy of DC had put on that much weight in one off season the media would be looking into his relationship with ARod by now. If they Braves announcers or fans have a chip on their shoulders, it's because of those things. Which isn't to say the Nationals aren't a good team. Their best player is very good; you don't find many Jason Werth's in the league. Their best pitcher is very good; that would be Jordan Zimmerman by the way. And they're supported by pretty good secondary players like Strasburg and Harper. But the national media can't cover them rationally, they have to blow smoke up their ass, as if they've actually won something to date.

Which they haven't, by the way.
   15. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: April 07, 2014 at 09:39 PM (#4681553)
This isn't the first time the national media have gone desperately searching for "Anyone But Atlanta," of course. We saw this with Mike Piazza and Al Leiter's Mets too.
   16. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: April 07, 2014 at 09:45 PM (#4681557)
They are still a national team to those folks, and maybe rightly so.


I'd bet that behind NYY and BOS, Atlanta is in competition with the most "out of market" fans. TBS created a lot of fans outside of the South.
   17. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: April 07, 2014 at 10:02 PM (#4681567)
I can't believe someone is still writing checks to Chip Carey. He's complete garbage.
   18. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: April 07, 2014 at 10:02 PM (#4681569)
It's shocking, you taking the anti-Braves position, Robert.
   19. Lassus Posted: April 07, 2014 at 11:37 PM (#4681607)
Wait. You're defending Chip Carey? You've gone insane.
   20. TerpNats Posted: April 08, 2014 at 01:23 AM (#4681633)
To #14: Rickey, your point would hold more water (if, indeed, a point could hold water) if you correctly spelled the names of who you deem the Nats' best everyday player and pitcher. And regarding Harper, he's still all of 21 and filling out physically. True, he's off to a slow start after one week, but that's way too small a sample to properly predict his output for 2014.
   21. zachtoma Posted: April 08, 2014 at 02:02 AM (#4681638)
I'm a Braves fan, but I've found Chip and Joe painful to listen to in the early going and have considered switching to the other team's feed on MLB.tv more than once.
   22. Los Angeles El Hombre de Anaheim Posted: April 08, 2014 at 03:57 AM (#4681644)
It's not that big a deal when announcers take a few little shots at a divisional rival; I get that. Defending Chip Carey, however, is unconscionable.
   23. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: April 08, 2014 at 08:54 AM (#4681675)
Being anti-Chip Caray is not being anti-Braves. Any more than being anti-Kim Jong Un is being anti-Koreans.
   24. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: April 08, 2014 at 09:13 AM (#4681685)
I don't think I've defended Chip Carey here. I think I may have slightly defended Joe Simpson, though.
   25. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: April 08, 2014 at 09:16 AM (#4681686)
Rickey, your point would hold more water (if, indeed, a point could hold water) if you correctly spelled the names of who you deem the Nats' best everyday player and pitcher.


Oh lord, I forgot the Bro-Y in JAYson Werth's name, and I assume I dropped an extraneous N out of Zimmermannnnnnnn? Whatever. Please. (Why do parents feel the need to add stupid extra letters like that Y in Jason? Is it something suburbanites do to try to pretend they can tell their spawn apart?)
   26. Hal Chase School of Professionalism Posted: April 08, 2014 at 09:23 AM (#4681691)
Why do parents feel the need to add stupid extra letters like that Y in Jason? Is it something suburbanites do to try to pretend they can tell their spawn apart?)


That's a clown question, Bro.
   27. AROM Posted: April 08, 2014 at 09:26 AM (#4681694)
“I don’t know why young guys think that more muscles mean more power,” Simpson said. “That’s almost a clown move, bro. Long line of guys who think that muscles equal more power, and not necessarily so.


Did I miss a memo? Have the holy writers succeeded in purging the steroid era from both the record books and announcer memories?
   28. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: April 08, 2014 at 09:30 AM (#4681701)
Being anti-Chip Caray is not being anti-Braves. Any more than being anti-Kim Jong Un is being anti-Koreans.


You cannot dislike The Leader without besmirching the character of every man, woman, and child in North Korea. Shame of you.
   29. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: April 08, 2014 at 09:36 AM (#4681706)
Did I miss a memo? Have the holy writers succeeded in purging the steroid era from both the record books and announcer memories?


Considering that the underlying accusation is that Harper's using, probably not.
   30. GuyM Posted: April 08, 2014 at 09:45 AM (#4681715)
I'd bet that behind NYY and BOS, Atlanta is in competition with the most "out of market" fans.


By this metric they are below-average in out-of-market support. But if you compare their attendance to their success on the field, you could argue Atlanta is in competition for the fewest "in market" fans.
   31. boteman Posted: April 08, 2014 at 09:47 AM (#4681717)
Dan Steinberg writes The Sports Bog which is a lighthearted take (cold take?) on whatever he sees fit to write. If he got any more tongue-in-cheek he'd bite it off. Relax, it's baseball.

P.S. Have I mentioned how much I hate autocorrect?!
   32. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: April 08, 2014 at 10:01 AM (#4681729)
By this metric they are below-average in out-of-market support. But if you compare their attendance to their success on the field, you could argue Atlanta is in competition for the fewest "in market" fans.


I put little faith into any analysis that begins with Google Trends.
   33. GuyM Posted: April 08, 2014 at 10:16 AM (#4681746)
I put little faith into any analysis that begins with Google Trends.

Yeah, we should definitely rely on your intuition instead.
   34. There are no words... (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: April 08, 2014 at 10:18 AM (#4681748)
Braves announcers are the 2nd worst homers on the planet (NOBODY beats the Hawk, of course...)
   35. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: April 08, 2014 at 10:29 AM (#4681760)
Yeah, we should definitely rely on your intuition instead.


You don't have to rely on my intuition at all. It's no more reliable than Google Trends. The Braves made a lot of national fans in the 80s and 90s via TBS. That may have faded by now.
   36. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: April 08, 2014 at 10:35 AM (#4681771)
Braves games and Georgia Championship 'Rasslin were regular viewing appointments throughout the 80s for the young YR. Where have you gone Chic Donovan?
   37. DA Baracus Posted: April 08, 2014 at 10:40 AM (#4681780)
The Braves announcers are terrible but Steinberg sounds like a baby.
   38. The District Attorney Posted: April 08, 2014 at 10:40 AM (#4681781)
Re: rasslin': Raw last night was really good. Anyone who wants to see something other than old farts fartin' around might actually want to start tuning in.
   39. Rowland Office Supplies Posted: April 08, 2014 at 10:48 AM (#4681789)
Where have you gone Chic Donovan?

Check out Chick's Facebook page if you get the chance. He's still making indie appearances at 67 and looking like a million bucks.
   40. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: April 08, 2014 at 10:55 AM (#4681800)
Re: rasslin': Raw last night was really good, anyone who wants to see something other than old farts fartin' around might actually want to start tuning in.


Can't watch 'rasslin anymore. A big part of the issue is the WWF-iziation of the industry as a whole which doesn't synch up well with my preferences for the Southern-style type of shows and matches I cut my teeth on as a young YR. The WWF (WWE whatever) domination of the field has homogenized their product and their increasing role in grooming young talent through their developmental territory increases the homogenization - everyone doing the same drills to develop the same skills, going through the same circuits in the same weight rooms, being trained on interviews by the same trainers, etc., dims the luster a bit for me. The way they shoot televised matches with constant quick-cuts at the points of impact (presumably to make it harder to see the workers protecting each other) makes even technically strong matches hard for me to watch as well.

Chris Jericho, a well-established talent with a solid and successful career in the North American independent circuit, Japan, and WCW prior to arriving in the WWE, wrote in one of his books that he had to re-learn how to wrestle "properly" in order to fit into the new promotion. He needed to be homogenized to the WWE ideal. At this point the WWE product reminds me of nothing more than top-40 music from the established stars, where there is so much internal data on what sort of production the fanbase prefers that everything is tailored around this common denominator. The length of the match, the moves allowed (the WWF doesn't allow any of their workers to use a proper Orndorff/Lawler piledriver), the near-fall spots, everything meticulously tested and refined until it comes out like Lady Gaga with less body hair. I just can't stay interested.

Of course there's never been a better time to distract yourself with endless hours of old NWA territorial footage, older WWF, Japanese matches, and whatever else floats your scrote if you still have a wrestling itch to scratch. And I do!
   41. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: April 08, 2014 at 11:04 AM (#4681819)
Check out Chick's Facebook page if you get the chance. He's still making indie appearances at 67 and looking like a million bucks.


OK, that was more fantastic than it has any right to be. Now I'm disappointed Rip Rogers doesn't seem to have a FB page.
   42. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: April 08, 2014 at 11:24 AM (#4681853)
Can't watch 'rasslin anymore. A big part of the issue is the WWF-iziation of the industry as a whole which doesn't synch up well with my preferences for the Southern-style type of shows and matches I cut my teeth on as a young YR.

For me, the real wrestling champion will always be Mr. Wrestling II.
   43. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: April 08, 2014 at 11:32 AM (#4681867)
I miss masked wrestlers, another casualty of the modernization of the sport. Wrestling II kept it real!
   44. Pat Rapper's Delight Posted: April 08, 2014 at 11:33 AM (#4681870)
For me, the real wrestling champion will always be Mr. Wrestling II.

Not after he turned heel on Magnum T.A. in an obviously roid-fueled rage. To me, Lou Thesz is the last real NWA Champion.
   45. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: April 08, 2014 at 11:35 AM (#4681873)
Not after he turned heel on Magnum T.A. in an obviously roid-fueled rage.


I think he was in his 50s by then, it was hemorrhoid-fueled rage and if you're not going to dock George Brett you shouldn't hold it against II.
   46. Mike A Posted: April 08, 2014 at 01:01 PM (#4681966)
Wrestling II was my favorite wrestler. Jimmy Carter's as well, iirc. He does not work as a heel (see also Sting, Goldberg, etc).

As for the subject at hand, like many brave fans, I can't stand Carey and Simpson. Simpson is very much old school, so his comments about weight lifting are not surprising (and probably not real anti-Washington or whatnot). I grudgingly have to admit he's right about Francoeur and the weight gain, though. Obviously Jeff was always going to be limited as a ballplayer, but the added bulk was a negative in the field and at the plate from my observations. Some players are better at their 'natural' weight.
   47. The District Attorney Posted: April 08, 2014 at 01:04 PM (#4681970)
Whatever happened to Mr. America? He seemed like an exciting up-and-comer.

I know it was controversial that they signed him sight unseen, but that's just office politics!
   48. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: April 08, 2014 at 01:48 PM (#4682015)
Wrestling II was my favorite wrestler. Jimmy Carter's as well, iirc. He does not work as a heel (see also Sting, Goldberg, etc).


Wrestling II made an unexpected appearance on a WWF TV show in the early-80s. It was Saturday morning and I was watching with a neighbor kid, and we both knew II from his frequent appearances on Georgia Championship Wrestling.

Wrestling II comes out to the backstage area and is introduced as a national star coming to the WWF. He then gives the most Mr. Rogers-esque interview in wrestling history, reminding parents that their kids look up to them as real heroes and that every parent should avoid the temptation to give their kids "the back of your head" when they get annoying. It was the least pro-wrestling interview I'd ever heard.

Afterward I said to my friend, "Wrestling II makes Bob Backlund look like Jesse Ventura." And he did, too.
   49. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: April 08, 2014 at 02:16 PM (#4682031)
Simpson is very much old school, so his comments about weight lifting are not surprising (and probably not real anti-Washington or whatnot).


I imagine Simpson muttering "Andruw needs to hit the ball to right and right-center" in his sleep.
   50. Heinie Mantush (Krusty) Posted: April 08, 2014 at 03:33 PM (#4682115)
YR, I really do hope you're watching right now. Daniel Bryan (aka "American Dragon" Bryan Danielson) is the newly crowned WWE Champion and is a very out of the box worker, though obviously toned down from his ROH heyday. Guys like Cesaro (Claudio Castanogli), Dean Ambrose (Jon Moxley), and Seth Rollins (Tyler Black) are featured prominently. You might also like NXT, which is a back to the basics "pure" wrestling show with Sami Zayn (El Generico) and Adrian Neville (PAC).

Ever since Triple H took over creative, the booking has clearly had a Jim Crockett Promotions flavor to it. The product right now is really, really good and is centered on longform storytelling and high quality wrestling. Yes, it's very WWE but it's also a damn sight better than the rubbish the company was putting out 5 years ago.

Also, Paul Heyman.
   51. Karl from NY Posted: April 08, 2014 at 05:06 PM (#4682216)
By this metric they are below-average in out-of-market support.

That's the wrong analysis for this question, since it shows every county as winner-take-all. The Braves probably have the most total fans unaccounted for in that map, with a background level of 10%-20% support in a LOT of places. The WTBS Superstation generation is still everywhere, and in their 40's at the peak of their demographic spending power.
   52. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: April 08, 2014 at 08:31 PM (#4682398)
The Braves probably have the most total fans unaccounted for in that map, with a background level of 10%-20% support in a LOT of places.


Nah, that would still be the Yankees. Those bastards would be No. 2 in an awful lot of places.
   53. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: April 08, 2014 at 08:48 PM (#4682415)
YR, I really do hope you're watching right now. Daniel Bryan (aka "American Dragon" Bryan Danielson) is the newly crowned WWE Champion and is a very out of the box worker, though obviously toned down from his ROH heyday.


Yeah, I'm aware that he and CM Punk brought some indy cred to the WWF roster. Haven't both of them been focused in storylines about how ill-suited they are for WWF Superstardom? I happened to watch Punk vs Undertaker from last year's Wrestlemania this week (since I hadn't seen it previously and Undertaker's WM streak was in the news), it was a nice match with a very 90s-All Japan flavor of huge move after huge move to kick out of at the end. When did Undertaker get a shootfighter gimmick anyhow?

Guys like Cesaro (Claudio Castanogli), Dean Ambrose (Jon Moxley), and Seth Rollins (Tyler Black) are featured prominently.


Two of those guys are SHIELD guys, right? Did they ever address why they're allowed to wrestle in body armor?

You might also like NXT, which is a back to the basics "pure" wrestling show with Sami Zayn (El Generico) and Adrian Neville (PAC).


I know all about NXT - I've known Rob Naylor and Chris Hero/Kassius Ono for a long time, Hero is about as nice a guy as you'd ever meet. I'm deeply saddened neither one got the opportunity to work in the WWE, I told them both they were my best chance of become a regular viewer again. But it's still the WWE homogenization blender in effect, a top-down developmental league that exists only to churn out guys to plug into the big show. Everyone has to follow orders to impress the same handful of guys as everyone else and there's no other territory to set off for if you aren't blessed with the look or particular talent they're trying to groom. It's minor league baseball with only one MLB team and a complete scouting focus on "good face".
   54. The District Attorney Posted: April 09, 2014 at 01:24 AM (#4682611)
And, the day after appearing on WWE television for the first time in about 20 years, the Ultimate Warrior is dead.
   55. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: April 09, 2014 at 05:07 AM (#4682624)
Also, Paul Heyman.

America's greatest and most abundant natural resources, in order:
1. Coal
2. Paul Heyman facial expressions
3. Timber
   56. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: April 09, 2014 at 07:25 AM (#4682631)
And, the day after appearing on WWE television for the first time in about 20 years, the Ultimate Warrior is dead.


Only 3 days after being inducted into the wrestling HOF.
   57. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: April 09, 2014 at 07:32 AM (#4682632)
He was pro-wrestling's most valued political pundit. I'm surprised he never got a show on Fox News.
   58. Jim Kaat on a hot Gene Roof Posted: April 09, 2014 at 07:50 AM (#4682634)
The WWF (WWE whatever) domination of the field has homogenized their product and their increasing role in grooming young talent through their developmental territory increases the homogenization - everyone doing the same drills to develop the same skills, going through the same circuits in the same weight rooms, being trained on interviews by the same trainers, etc.....


Amen. I have similar tastes and the same kinda background; old school WWF was never my sort of wrestling but I'd prefer some of the awful 1980s style cartoon character wrestlers to the cookie-cutter crap they push today. I've been nostalgic for wrestling lately, watched a bit of WWE, couldn't stand more than 20 minutes of it, looked for something old on youtube, killed many hours listening to Jim Cornette shoots. He's intelligent, but I don't think even if WWE implemented all of his suggestions that it would change things. It's true the business has always been cyclical but I think it's really in its death throes this time.
   59. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: April 09, 2014 at 08:46 AM (#4682666)
Amen. I have similar tastes and the same kinda background; old school WWF was never my sort of wrestling but I'd prefer some of the awful 1980s style cartoon character wrestlers to the cookie-cutter crap they push today.


Early-80s, pre-Hogan WWF is pretty good. In approach it isn't too dissimilar from the territorial NWA of a similar era but I think the production values are generally higher. The talent level is quite good so once you get away from the usual televised squash matches you have a chance to see some very entertaining work. Check out Bob Backlund vs Ken Patera for a great old-school Texas Death Match from Madison Square Garden. Backlund had great matches with all levels of talent during his reign, you can absolutely see why they put the strap on him for so long and the crowd was nuts for him, dispelling the revisionist myth that Backlund wasn't popular as champion.

killed many hours listening to Jim Cornette shoots.


Cornette has some great stories, he's seen and done everything in pro-wrestling over the years.
   60. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: April 09, 2014 at 08:59 AM (#4682680)
And, the day after appearing on WWE television for the first time in about 20 years, the Ultimate Warrior is dead.


Are we sure this isn't part of the promo?
   61. Conor Posted: April 09, 2014 at 09:28 AM (#4682700)
The Wrestlemania-Raw combo this week was just incredible. I can't remember the last time I was this excited for WWE. Part of it is because they are always gonna have a hot crowd for Mania and the raw after, so it makes everything seem better, but they have so many fresh faces in high spots on the card right now who are awesome workers. I even watched Main Event last night so I could see the Shield-Wyatts.
   62. Joey B. Posted: April 09, 2014 at 09:42 AM (#4682710)
And, the day after appearing on WWE television for the first time in about 20 years, the Ultimate Warrior is dead.

Steroids are really good for you, just like vitamins and nutrients.
   63. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: April 09, 2014 at 09:44 AM (#4682711)
Hulk Hogan is going to outlive all of them. He won't even put Death over.
   64. formerly dp Posted: April 09, 2014 at 10:20 AM (#4682766)
Had to endure the Braves broadcast yesterday b/c of blackout restrictions, and I don't know if it was anomalous, but the broadcast featured a lot straight-up homerism-- every hit the Mets got was "lucky," and "just fell in". They did do an excellent job dealing with the reversed call in a key situation.

Colon looked pretty good last night. Valverde's 9th did nothing to inspire faith.
   65. Manny Coon Posted: April 09, 2014 at 11:36 AM (#4682861)
Steroids are really good for you, just like vitamins and nutrients.


Warrior likely had a lot more problems than steroids. Wrestlers dying young usually has a lot more to with cocaine, pain killers and head trauma than steroids. It's like the NFL except with 200 shows a year instead of 16.
   66. The District Attorney Posted: April 09, 2014 at 11:44 AM (#4682878)
Only 3 days after being inducted into the wrestling HOF.
Well, inducted into the WWE Hall of Fame. Which also includes people like Vince McMahon's limo driver, Koko B. Ware, and Pete Rose.¹ They are not exactly unbiased students of wrestling history. The legitimate wrestling Hall of Fame IMO is the one chosen by the Wrestling Observer Newsletter.

It really comes off like Warrior lived the gimmick so much that when he "beat" Vince by getting back into the company's good graces even though he didn't meet them halfway, that was literally the culmination of his life. He was one crazy mofo. But I suppose he got a lot of people into wrestling, even if the ones who stuck around did so because they eventually realized there were better wrestlers.

Re: the future: Assuming that Warrior's heart gave out in large part due to steroid abuse (probably a safe assumption), it'll undo any goodwill that the business would otherwise be getting from the shakeup of the product they're doing. That said, I think the WWE Network basically secures the future. Even if you don't like the current product, you can watch old stuff. Even if WWE gets cancelled off TV one day, they can still run their show. The Network should mean that as long as there's a sufficient critical mass of wrestling fans (1 million is the "good" number I've seen), the organization can survive.

¹ Although the latter is probably meant to be funny, and it is.
   67. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: April 09, 2014 at 11:49 AM (#4682887)
Warrior likely had a lot more problems than steroids. Wrestlers dying young usually has a lot more to with cocaine, pain killers and head trauma than steroids.


Warrior had a very short career though, really just a few years on a fulltime schedule and he wasn't exactly a bumping freak during that period. He's been essentially retired since the mid-90s.
   68. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: April 09, 2014 at 11:22 PM (#4683557)
Jeepers, any of you wrestling fans remember "Rock & Roll" Buck Zumhofe? He was, uh, in the news lately.

I'll try and remember the glory days.
   69. Rafael Bellylard: Built like a Panda. Posted: April 10, 2014 at 01:41 AM (#4683591)
What passes for wrestling today has turned me into a old get-off-my-lawn fogie. I'd trade the whole crop to watch the Ray Stevens-Pat Patterson-Pepper Gomez-Kenji Shibuya days in the San Francisco territory from the 60's and 70's.
   70. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: April 10, 2014 at 08:49 AM (#4683655)
It really comes off like Warrior lived the gimmick so much that when he "beat" Vince by getting back into the company's good graces even though he didn't meet them halfway, that was literally the culmination of his life. He was one crazy mofo.


Not a Deadspin fan, but this is accurate: Ultimate Warrior Was a Dick

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