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Wednesday, October 11, 2017

Stephen Strasburg’s legacy on line now - Washington Times

This is a weird on. What’s his real issue?

The news that, with Game 4 of the NLDS against the Cubs in Chicago Tuesday pushed back to Wednesday because of rain, that Strasburg, even though he is fully rested, will not start Game 4 was met with howls of laughter and tears — especially when manager Dusty Baker told reporters, that Strasburg is “feeling under the weather.”

Jim Furtado Posted: October 11, 2017 at 08:18 AM | 42 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. No longer interested in this website Posted: October 11, 2017 at 09:01 AM (#5549533)
Scratched from his start because of mold. That's a new one.

The Nationals keep on making decisions that are counter to winning. Starting with the year they sat Strasburg in the playoffs to save his arm. I'd love to hear what Bob Gibson thinks of all this.
   2. Rennie's Tenet Posted: October 11, 2017 at 09:03 AM (#5549536)
I'd love to hear what Bob Gibson thinks of all this.


Gibby says he's available.
   3. Andere Richtingen Posted: October 11, 2017 at 09:07 AM (#5549540)
Apparently, Strasburg is a Lamborghini. A nice ride, but high maintenance.
   4. Spahn Insane, stimulus-funded BurlyMan™ Posted: October 11, 2017 at 09:12 AM (#5549545)
I lived in Chicago for about 15 falls, and don't recall being mold-sickened. This whole saga is strange.
   5. No longer interested in this website Posted: October 11, 2017 at 09:25 AM (#5549565)
I went to school in Chicago and lived in the city for five years. I've never heard of a mold problem. Maybe they should change hotels.
   6. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: October 11, 2017 at 09:25 AM (#5549566)
My allergies have been terrible the past 5 days or so, but not's that a mold thing. Maybe the mold line will just go down as one of those Dusty things. In Dusty's defense, it sure sound like he was trying to cover for Strasburg (first by the bullpen thing, then this when that first lie was found out). So while I gleefully laughed at Dusty when it appeared he had decided to stick with Roark, it sure sounds like it wasn't his call and he's trying to protect his player from criticism even at the expense of people calling him dumb.
   7. Andere Richtingen Posted: October 11, 2017 at 09:29 AM (#5549571)
Not the first time Dusty has been speaking extemporaneously on a topic he doesn't know anything about. I wouldn't be surprised if Strasburg has a ragweed/other pollen allergy, which for me at least still seems to be lingering.
   8. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: October 11, 2017 at 09:36 AM (#5549586)
In Dusty's defense, it sure sound like he was trying to cover for Strasburg (first by the bullpen thing, then this when that first lie was found out).

Agree, Strasburg really hung his team and manager out to dry here, by "declining to pitch". What a gutless move.

I wouldn't be surprised if Strasburg has a ragweed/other pollen allergy, which for me at least still seems to be lingering.

Possibly, in which case he needs to take a bunch of Benadryl, and get his ass on the mound.
   9. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: October 11, 2017 at 09:39 AM (#5549589)
Dusty is a Sun Tzu fan and believes in controlling information. I wouldn't take anything he says at face value.
   10. Dr. Vaux Posted: October 11, 2017 at 09:42 AM (#5549592)
This is one of those "decisions" that's too inexplicable to have actually been up to the manager. An organization wouldn't let a manager just make that decision.
   11. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: October 11, 2017 at 10:05 AM (#5549634)
It sure sounds like it wasn't his call and he's trying to protect his player from criticism even at the expense of people calling him dumb.

Agreed. He is just running his mouth because the media demands something. He'll say anything to protect his player.
   12. Spahn Insane, stimulus-funded BurlyMan™ Posted: October 11, 2017 at 10:13 AM (#5549650)
Possibly, in which case he needs to take a bunch of Benadryl, and get his ass on the mound.

Broader point taken, except Benadryl might put him into a borderline coma. I hate that crap.
   13. Spahn Insane, stimulus-funded BurlyMan™ Posted: October 11, 2017 at 10:22 AM (#5549662)
This moment appears custom-made for Joey B's crawling out from under his rock just long enough to toss a homophobic invective at Strasburg. And probably something about red diaper babies.
   14. Jose is an Absurd Doubles Machine Posted: October 11, 2017 at 10:31 AM (#5549678)
Scratched from his start because of mold. That's a new one.


Possibly, in which case he needs to take a bunch of Benadryl, and get his ass on the mound.


A friend of a friend passed away last week due to a respiratory issue that was caused, they think, by mold. He was in and out of hospitals for the last year. 49 years old, non-smoker, in good shape, just suddenly got very sick and spent a year being treated before passing away.
   15. bunyon Posted: October 11, 2017 at 10:37 AM (#5549683)
Baker may be willing to protect his player but if Strasburg isn't very, very sick, I doubt all of his teammates will feel the same way.

Now isn't the time but if they lose and Strasburg isn't clearly unable to go, it'll come out.
   16. TomH Posted: October 11, 2017 at 10:37 AM (#5549684)
re: the title of the article:

"on the line" with whom? The writers, lots of ex-jocks for whom an overarching narrative is almost required for each player, and non-toughness is a compelling one that writes itself regardless of its veracity? Yeha, that could be

for the fans? I tell you, wining covers a multitude of sins. Stras could cough up 5 ER in game 5 and be mediocre all the way thru the WS but if the Nats prevail, not a problem. But if Nats lose, fans need scapegoats. MUST.. FIND... SCAPEGOAT....

   17. TomH Posted: October 11, 2017 at 10:37 AM (#5549686)
re: the title of the article:

"on the line" with whom? The writers, lots of ex-jocks for whom an overarching narrative is almost required for each player, and non-toughness is a compelling one that writes itself regardless of its veracity? Yeah, that could be

for the fans? I tell you, wining covers a multitude of sins. Stras could cough up 5 ER in game 5 and be mediocre all the way thru the WS but if the Nats prevail, not a problem. But if Nats lose, fans need scapegoats. MUST.. FIND... SCAPEGOAT....

   18. bunyon Posted: October 11, 2017 at 10:41 AM (#5549693)
Right, which is why I said this will come out if they lose. If they win, you can do anything you like. Lines of coke, hookers, lines of hookers, whatev. But if you lose, you'd better be a saint.

FWIW, I would love to know. You dream of pitching a game like this.
   19. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: October 11, 2017 at 10:42 AM (#5549695)
A friend of a friend passed away last week due to a respiratory issue that was caused, they think, by mold. He was in and out of hospitals for the last year. 49 years old, non-smoker, in good shape, just suddenly got very sick and spent a year being treated before passing away.

If Strasburg is very sick, he wouldn't be starting G5 either.
   20. Blanks for Nothing, Larvell Posted: October 11, 2017 at 10:53 AM (#5549711)
This is the future for which he was junk-science shut down that one year.
   21. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: October 11, 2017 at 10:59 AM (#5549722)
Baker may be willing to protect his player but if Strasburg isn't very, very sick, I doubt all of his teammates will feel the same way.

I'm thinking he might find a few bloody socks in his locker.
   22. Andere Richtingen Posted: October 11, 2017 at 11:03 AM (#5549733)
While there is so much discussion going on regarding Strasburg, I expect Roark to pitch a pretty decent game today.
   23. Zonk Tormundbane Posted: October 11, 2017 at 11:10 AM (#5549748)
Maybe somebody pooped in the hotel's HVAC ducts...
   24. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: October 11, 2017 at 11:16 AM (#5549759)
Maybe somebody pooped in the hotel's HVAC ducts...

I thought you moved away.
   25. Zonk Tormundbane Posted: October 11, 2017 at 11:18 AM (#5549771)
That would make for a good cover story to present more Dusty gifts, wouldn't it...
   26. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: October 11, 2017 at 11:19 AM (#5549774)
Hopefully you got to the 2nd hotel; they had to move hotels because there weren't rooms available for the extra night after the rainout.
   27. Zonk Tormundbane Posted: October 11, 2017 at 11:20 AM (#5549778)
My butt will never tell!
   28. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: October 11, 2017 at 11:22 AM (#5549780)
Hopefully you got to the 2nd hotel; they had to move hotels because there weren't rooms available for the extra night after the rainout.

Maybe zonk wasn't the lone pooper. It's a poopspiracy!
   29. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: October 11, 2017 at 11:34 AM (#5549790)
Jon Morosi‏Verified account @jonmorosi 1m1 minute ago
BREAKING: Stephen Strasburg now likely to start for #Nats today in Game 4, source says. @MLB @MLBNetwork
   30. Zonk Tormundbane Posted: October 11, 2017 at 11:51 AM (#5549815)
Hell.

I knew I should have ignored my doctor's advice and gone ahead with eating that e coli tainted burrito prior to making the deposit. Thanks, medical science.
   31. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: October 11, 2017 at 12:04 PM (#5549830)
So Dusty was just being coy to mess with the Cubs prep and get a tiny edge.
   32. PreservedFish Posted: October 11, 2017 at 12:10 PM (#5549834)
I think it's more likely that there was some ass-brained miscommunication somewhere. Like maybe Dusty hadn't really considered it and though "I don't want to hurt Tanner's feelings" before opening his mouth.
   33. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: October 11, 2017 at 12:16 PM (#5549839)
I think it's more likely that there was some ass-brained miscommunication somewhere.

Or that zonk's brain didn't communicate to his ass to put enough mold in the duct deuce.
   34. bunyon Posted: October 11, 2017 at 12:23 PM (#5549849)
Maybe Strasburg lurks here and was surprised people were down on him.

Seriously, I wonder how much the "talk" (online, TV, probably in person) about how it looks got to him.

Now, I'm kind of hoping he is really sick and hurls all over the infield. Saw that in junior high and got a good laugh. SS wouldn't field ground balls hit through the puke resulting in several extra hits.
   35. Zonk Tormundbane Posted: October 11, 2017 at 12:24 PM (#5549852)
Any pooper worth his mueslix will tell you that achieving a proper bacterial mix for weapons grade effectiveness is no easy thing.
   36. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: October 11, 2017 at 12:27 PM (#5549859)
Now twitter is blowing up with the rumors that The Orchid may start today, after all
   37. wjones Posted: October 11, 2017 at 12:36 PM (#5549868)
Would be hilarious if Strasberg gets knocked out in the second inning, and Dusty brings in Rourke, who then pitches 4 scoreless innings.
   38. bfan Posted: October 11, 2017 at 02:15 PM (#5550007)
at this point, this has been mishandled by the nationals; now you are going to have a flustered starter who is going to have to get over an issue that never should have been an issue in the first place. What difference did it make whether Strasburg started game 4 or game 5-he can only start one game, and they have to win both, correct? Isn't game 5, with more eyeballs associated with it and more (falsely promoted or not) "do or die" associated with it (because it is an elimination game for both teams) the more pressure packed game?
   39. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: October 11, 2017 at 02:21 PM (#5550022)
Would be hilarious if Strasberg gets knocked out in the second inning, and Dusty brings in Rourke, who then pitches 4 scoreless innings.

In the 1973 ALCS, Jim Palmer got knocked out in the 2nd inning of game 4, and then came back the next day to pitch 4.1 scoreless innings of 2-hit innings in the 5th and deciding game.

Of course the O's came back to win the 4th game and lost the 5th, so this doesn't do much to advance any particular narrative.
   40. Spahn Insane, stimulus-funded BurlyMan™ Posted: October 11, 2017 at 03:32 PM (#5550122)
he can only start one game, and they have to win both, correct? Isn't game 5, with more eyeballs associated with it and more (falsely promoted or not) "do or die" associated with it (because it is an elimination game for both teams) the more pressure packed game?

Right, to the first question, but the argument is: Strasburg presents the greater likelihood of forcing a game 5 in the first place (with Gonzalez, a better pitcher than Roark, then ready to start game 5 fully rested). If you don't survive to game 5, nothing else matters.

Strasburg is only going to start one game regardless, but Strasburg/Gonzalez is a better combination than Roark/Strasburg, apart from the still-remaining need to force game 5.
   41. Spahn Insane, stimulus-funded BurlyMan™ Posted: October 11, 2017 at 03:34 PM (#5550128)
36: I'm entertained by "The Orchid." I approve.
   42. TDF didn't lie, he just didn't remember Posted: October 11, 2017 at 04:05 PM (#5550184)
I have always irrationally disliked Strasburg. Maybe it's because of the way people talked about him as being so unbelievably awesome before he threw a single pro pitch (though I don't have the same animus against Harper or Trout) and I've always been a "prove it" kind of fan; I don't know. But the truth of the matter is, I see that Strasburg can't pitch and just assume he just doesn't want to, in a dickish Chris Sale sort of way.

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