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Saturday, March 30, 2013

Steve Phillips: Suspensions soon

Suspensions? Steve Phillips? Brooke Hundley applauds this.

Former general manager Steve Phillips said he thinks Major League Baseball is poised to suspend players linked to the Biogenesis clinic in Miami, including Brewers leftfielder Ryan Braun.

Now with SiriusXM Radio, Phillips made his remarks about the potential suspensions during an interview with the Journal Sentinel on Friday about the upcoming baseball season.

“If I had a player named in the Biogenesis story, I’d be very concerned right now,” said Phillips. “The only guy I think might be OK is Gio Gonzales because they have documentation that all of his stuff was all legitimate - supplements and vitamins and not the other stuff.

“But the fact that they suspended a minor-league player ( Cesar Puello) who was associated with Biogenesis means that they believe there is enough evidence to do so, even without a positive drug test, and it’s a matter of crossing their t’s and dotting their i’s before they move forward with major-league players as well,” Phillips said. “That would be my assumption based on what has taken place so far.”

...Phillips said he thinks MLB’s suspension of players is imminent.

“I’ve got to tell you, my inclination is that there will be major-league players suspended, and I would include Braun as one of those strong candidates,” Phillips said.

Repoz Posted: March 30, 2013 at 10:24 PM | 26 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1.   Posted: March 30, 2013 at 11:00 PM (#4399975)
Since all supplements are a scam and almost all vitamin supplementation is completely unnecessary (you just pee it out,) why do athletes #### around with anything at all? I don't get it. You don't need to take anything. ANY. THING. Eat food. Drink water. C'est tout. How are players so dumb?
   2. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: March 30, 2013 at 11:19 PM (#4399982)
Since we're playing the stupid unsourced speculation game, who else has been linked to the Biogenesis story? I have a habit of completely tuning this stuff out.
   3. Monty Predicts a Padres-Mariners WS in 2016 Posted: March 30, 2013 at 11:28 PM (#4399987)
Oh, I know! Let's announce the suspensions on Opening Day! What could possibly go wrong?
   4. zachtoma Posted: March 30, 2013 at 11:45 PM (#4400003)
a) Why should we believe Steve Phillips has got the inside info?

b) If true, how big of a fight with the union is the league asking for and what are the odds that they would prevail? (My sense is: huge, and not likely)
   5. Bhaakon Posted: March 31, 2013 at 12:21 AM (#4400014)
a) Why should we believe Steve Phillips has got the inside info?


Because baseball is a huge good old boys network, and Steve Phillips is one of them. Also because the guy that correctly reported the Miguel Cabrera suspension long before it became official said the same thing a couple weeks ago. Neither is conclusive, but there's at least a step above normal gossip.

b) If true, how big of a fight with the union is the league asking for and what are the odds that they would prevail? (My sense is: huge, and not likely)


Pretty much. Everything we've heard about biogenesis suggests that the evidence falls well short of the probative value of a positive test, which would make it very difficult for any suspensions to survive the arbitrator. Unless a bunch of player got caught in the round of testing after the story broke (which seems unlikely, since many of them willingly submitted to Olympic-style testing to play in the WBC), I'd be surprised if anyone will actually be suspended.
   6. Jim Wisinski Posted: March 31, 2013 at 12:21 AM (#4400015)
a) Why should we believe Steve Phillips has got the inside info?


If Phillips claimed any inside info on this they didn't put it in the article (which I imagine they would if he did so). He frames it as his "inclination" which appears to mostly be based on the fact that they suspended a minor leaguer already (though the name given in the article is wrong, Cesar Carrillo is the player suspended. Cesar Puello is also a minor leaguer and under suspicion but he's on the Mets' 40-man). That "inclination" is crap, MLB can do whatever it wants to non-roster minor leaguers and they have little recourse, suspending a major leaguer or rostered minor leaguer without actual proof that satisfies the CBA is an entirely different situation.
   7. valuearbitrageur Posted: March 31, 2013 at 12:27 AM (#4400016)
"But the fact that they suspended a minor-league player ( Cesar Puello) who was associated with Biogenesis means that they believe there is enough evidence to do so, even without a positive drug test, and it’s a matter of crossing their t’s and dotting their i’s before they move forward with major-league players as well,” Phillips said. “That would be my assumption based on what has taken place so far.”


So Phillips thinks that MLB's total control over minor league players is even in the same ballpark as their powersharing arrangement with the Players Union?

It is true the MLB has a limited right to suspend players without a positive test due to association, but it's a far cry from what they can do to minor leaguers and the Union is likely to fight tooth and nail.
   8. The Yankee Clapper Posted: March 31, 2013 at 12:32 AM (#4400019)
“But the fact that they suspended a minor-league player ( Cesar Puello) who was associated with Biogenesis means that they believe there is enough evidence to do so, even without a positive drug test, and it’s a matter of crossing their t’s and dotting their i’s before they move forward with major-league players as well,” Phillips said. “That would be my assumption based on what has taken place so far.”

That is a pretty huge assumption, and quite possibly a mistaken one. Minor leaguers aren't in the union, they have no protections other than what is provided by labor or civil rights laws. Those guys can be suspended on whim. Not the case for MLB players. Can't think of anything more foolish than disrupting the season with suspensions that don't hold up. Perhaps MLB will develop a strong case for suspensions, but what has been made public thus far falls well short.
   9. Bhaakon Posted: March 31, 2013 at 12:46 AM (#4400022)
Those guys can be suspended on whim. Not the case for MLB players. Can't think of anything more foolish than disrupting the season with suspensions that don't hold up.


Suspension are supposed to be secret until the players forgoes their appeal of the arbiter rules in favor of the suspension (which I think they've managed to do, outside of Braun and possibly Cabrera), so it's quite possible that 1) MLB is trying to suspend them right now, and 2) they'll be overturn and we'll never hear about it beyond rumors like this.
   10. Drexl Spivey Posted: March 31, 2013 at 12:54 AM (#4400024)
b) If true, how big of a fight with the union is the league asking for and what are the odds that they would prevail? (My sense is: huge, and not likely)



Brauny would not go down without a long legal fight. He would prevail, unless MLB has unrevealed evidence.

The only fun part of a Brauny suspension would be seeing the level of vandalism inflicted upon the Bud Selig statue that sits outside of Miller Park.

   11. Drexl Spivey Posted: March 31, 2013 at 06:53 AM (#4400064)
Also, I don't believe anything that Steve Phillips says. If the guy called me "sir" I would check to make sure that I still have testicles.
   12. tfbg9 Posted: March 31, 2013 at 07:21 AM (#4400065)
#5-you mean Melky. Not Miggy.
   13. Justin T., Director of Somethin Posted: March 31, 2013 at 08:08 AM (#4400066)
Phillips really is just yapping about things he knows nothing about here. Just like every other time he opens his idiot mouth.
   14. Heinie Mantush (Krusty) Posted: March 31, 2013 at 10:36 AM (#4400089)
I think it's really a bit strange that a random twitter dude could have sparked a fairly serious multipage thread about the possibility of suspensions, but a quick debunking by Jon Heyman of all people would lead to the sort of scoffing here.

Steve Phillips is an obviously very well-connected member of the MLB fraternity. He's also spoken with surprising candor about his own time as a GM during the height of the pre-testing Steroid Era. I think his statements on the matter should be given at least as much credibility who guessed Melky Cabrera correctly.

I wouldn't be at all shocked if Ryan Braun and/or Alex Rodriguez is popped on a non-analytical positive in the near future. I'm not so sure about Curtis Granderson, though.
   15. Poster Nutbag Posted: March 31, 2013 at 01:09 PM (#4400157)
I have to think the attempts to get the biogenesis records via court are going to be crucial to the entire thing. I think MLB believes they are the key piece of evidence that will allow them to proceed with punishment.
   16. Jim Wisinski Posted: March 31, 2013 at 01:48 PM (#4400169)
Steve Phillips is an obviously very well-connected member of the MLB fraternity. He's also spoken with surprising candor about his own time as a GM during the height of the pre-testing Steroid Era. I think his statements on the matter should be given at least as much credibility who guessed Melky Cabrera correctly.


Phillips claims nothing here about inside information or other knowledge about the process. He's inferring that a non-union player getting suspended means that union players will be suspended soon, which is crap for the reasons stated above.
   17. Howie Menckel Posted: March 31, 2013 at 03:10 PM (#4400214)

It is fairly typical for possessors of inside information to present it in speculative form, since then there is less of a chase to find out who the "my longtime friend who would know inside source" is. The team/MLB can't tell if he has a legit tip from an insider, or is just wildly speculating.

I can't tell, either, so I wouldn't take this one to the bank. What I wouldn't do, either, is utterly dismiss just because the ex-GM doesn't say "I know a guy in the front office who tipped me off."

   18. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: March 31, 2013 at 03:16 PM (#4400220)
that the commissioner is chomping at the bit to nail braun's hide the wall isn't much of a secret.

   19. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: March 31, 2013 at 04:04 PM (#4400238)
#1...Some supplements work. I took a product called "High T", a "natural testosterone booster", bought at GNC. I took it for a few months. I increased the weight I could comfortably bench press by 33% (120 to 160, on the sitting bench press Nautilis machine). I went from curling 20 pound dumbbells to 30 pound dumbbells. I didn't do this because of any placebo effect. The stuff worked. I only stopped using it out of concern for what was in it. I wasn't comfortable taking it long term.
   20. Jack Carter, calling Beleaguered Castle Posted: March 31, 2013 at 05:20 PM (#4400277)
@19: Joe, have you tried Creatine? It helped me put on 15 pounds of muscle over one summer during which I went from swimming a quarter mile three times a week to a mile five times a week.

I've read up on the possibility of its having adverse health effects and found nothing, but I'm no chemist and my research was not exhaustive.
   21. The Yankee Clapper Posted: March 31, 2013 at 06:04 PM (#4400295)
Steve Phillips is an obviously very well-connected member of the MLB fraternity.

Is he? An equally accurate description might be "Has-been former GM who hasn't sniffed a MLB job since being fired by the Mets, who torpedoed his TV career and marriage before being fired by ESPN, and who now needs any attention he can get just to hang on to the radio show that few here are even aware of." I wouldn't want to vouch for Phillips' credibility.
   22. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: March 31, 2013 at 06:34 PM (#4400319)
20...No, I haven't. A couple of friends of mine are chemists...one's a bio-chemist, at that. They're both pretty well put together in their early 50's. I'll ask them.
   23. John Northey Posted: March 31, 2013 at 07:08 PM (#4400342)
Lots of smoke here... but is there a fire or will it be just smoke? Guess we'll see. If no one is given a 50 day vacation by June 1st I'd say there is no story, but given how long it can take for the process who knows?
   24. valuearbitrageur Posted: April 01, 2013 at 12:03 AM (#4400600)
I have to think the attempts to get the biogenesis records via court are going to be crucial to the entire thing. I think MLB believes they are the key piece of evidence that will allow them to proceed with punishment.


It's going to great when Biogenesis files a motion for complete financial records for every team over the last 5 years. That motion will be granted so fast Selig's head will spin off his spindly neck.
   25. BeanoCook Posted: April 01, 2013 at 03:56 AM (#4400633)
#1.... Many suppliments work. I'm sure many don't, and yes, most are aware most vitamin supplements aren't the same as vitamins from food, but it is wrong to claim all are a scam. In fact, there are many doctors that view modern suppliments as wonder drugs, or the closest thing we have seen to wonder drugs.
   26. AROM Posted: April 01, 2013 at 07:53 AM (#4400649)
"#5-you mean Melky. Not Miggy."

Miguel's suspension makes his triple crown all the more impressive. Even tougher than playing April in the minors. I may have to rethink my support for Trout as MVP.

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