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Saturday, October 08, 2011

MLB.com: Carpenter’s gem sends Cardinals into NLCS

The Cardinals secured their first postseason series win since the 2006 World Series with a sensational 1-0 victory over the Phillies at Citizens Bank Park on Friday night. The win gave them a 3-2 National League Division Series triumph over the league’s best regular-season team, and moved them into the NL Championship Series for a delicious matchup with their Central Division rivals, the Brewers.

Rafael Furcal and Skip Schumaker teamed up to get a single run for the Redbirds before the game’s first out, and a magnificent Chris Carpenter, who tossed a three-hit shutout, made it stand up.

NTNgod Posted: October 08, 2011 at 03:20 AM | 77 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: October 08, 2011 at 03:29 AM (#3956583)
plagiarizing from my own self in the chatter thread:

"best records in both leagues, eliminated in the first round (since wild card):

2002: yankees 103 wins, oakland 103 wins, altanta 102 wins
2008: angels of azusa: 100 wins, cubs of evanston: 97 wins
this year
"

nuff said
   2. charityslave is thinking about baseball Posted: October 08, 2011 at 03:40 AM (#3956616)
I know merely by having a username on this site qualifies me as a baseball geek, but damn, I love 1-0 games.
   3. Esoteric Posted: October 08, 2011 at 03:41 AM (#3956617)
Goliath goes down!

Unfortunately, the downside is that the Cardinals play on. Damn you Tony La Russa!

Gotta love the Brewers/Cards NLCS this sets up. That will be EPIC.
   4. Dag Nabbit is part of the zombie horde Posted: October 08, 2011 at 03:42 AM (#3956620)
First time the Phillies lost 1-0 all year.
   5. TerpNats Posted: October 08, 2011 at 03:44 AM (#3956624)
It's "flyover" country for the rest of the postseason (Dallas-Fort Worth, Detroit, Milwaukee, St. Louis).
   6. Austin Posted: October 08, 2011 at 03:47 AM (#3956631)
I think it's worth pointing out that there weren't simply three Games 5 this year - they were all low-scoring nailbiters decided by one run. Crazy.
   7. vortex of dissipation Posted: October 08, 2011 at 03:48 AM (#3956633)
The Cardinals scored their only run in the first inning. Halladay allowed a leadoff triple to Rafael Furcal, which has been Halladay's Achilles' heel this season.


That's a rather unfortunate way of putting it, if Howard's injury is serious.
   8. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: October 08, 2011 at 03:49 AM (#3956637)
Brewers - Cardinals the most legitimate bad blood LCS since 2003/2004,Red Sox-Yankees? I wouldn't be shocked if we get a brawl at some point.
   9. McCoy Posted: October 08, 2011 at 03:50 AM (#3956640)
Every team has a legitimate bad blood relationship with a Tony LaRussa run team.
   10. Mike A Posted: October 08, 2011 at 03:54 AM (#3956645)
I know it's not sporting, but it did make some sense for Philly to tank that last game against my Bravos. Maybe even the whole series.

Then they face Arizona instead of a red-hot Cards team, and have the potential to face a banged-up Braves team in the NLCS.

Might not have made a difference, who knows.
   11. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: October 08, 2011 at 03:55 AM (#3956647)
It's amazing that the existence of ONE person on this site who would be a completely typical fan on most sites (loudmouth who tries to talk trash all the time) has made so many people root against the Phillies. Even I started feeling bad for wanting them to win. Until they were up against the Cardinals, that is.

Well, we know the Brewers are better than the Cardinals because they won the division and outscored them by a massive 71-64 in the season series, so this should be smooth sailing.
   12. AROM Posted: October 08, 2011 at 03:59 AM (#3956652)
First time ever that two teams in the Championship series actually have a history against each other in the World Series. I suppose someday we could see a White Sox - Astros ALCS.
   13. WillieMays Haze Posted: October 08, 2011 at 04:00 AM (#3956655)
What a night of baseball. That 8th inning with Halladay pitching while the bases were loaded was unreal.

Felt terrible for Ryan Howard, though. Pretty much the worst and most pathetic way to conclude the Phillies loss. Big slugger going down in anguish. Then, to balance that out, Chris Carpenter celebrating shirtless and tattooed. What a crazy friggin night.
   14. steagles Posted: October 08, 2011 at 04:11 AM (#3956669)
I know it's not sporting, but it did make some sense for Philly to tank that last game against my Bravos. Maybe even the whole series.
they lost 8/9 going into that final series. they had to play to win.
It's amazing that the existence of ONE person on this site who would be a completely typical fan on most sites (loudmouth who tries to talk trash all the time) has made so many people root against the Phillies.
that's a bit of an insult. i'm not so much a typical fan as i am a huge wrestling mark who's having a bit of a fun antagonizing the crowd.
   15. tshipman Posted: October 08, 2011 at 04:14 AM (#3956677)
Steagles makes you root against the Phillies? If you think he's bad with the Phillies, it's probably a good thing you don't participate in the NBA thread. Not that the NBA is currently participating in the NBA thread either.

Too bad for the Phillies. Expectations were, of course, sky high.
   16. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: October 08, 2011 at 04:18 AM (#3956683)
The Phillies are the new '90s Braves! This was, unfortunately, a text book example of what can happen in a short series. The Cardinals have played great baseball over the last six weeks, especially with its pitching. And that's really the last thing a team such as the Phillies, who were prone to offensive droughts this year, want to see in a short series.

It's a bit odd to think that it was a Phillies' win that secured the Cardinals the NL wild card.
   17. cabintwelve Posted: October 08, 2011 at 04:19 AM (#3956684)
Not a big Cardinals fan, but I've been a Carpenter fan for a few years and follow his starts. He had to work HARD this year. I was very happy to see him pitch like this and get a win like this tonight.
   18. Mike A Posted: October 08, 2011 at 04:20 AM (#3956685)
There's 'playing to win' and there's 'Chase Utley is still in during a meaningless game in the 13th?' Never figured out why the Phillies were going all-out to beat the Braves.

You would think they would have been more concerned with resting a tired team for the playoffs.
   19. Esoteric Posted: October 08, 2011 at 04:20 AM (#3956686)
Steagles makes you root against the Phillies?
You bet he does. As obnoxious as he is, it kinda thrills me to see him get his dick knocked in the dirt over this. The thought of his heartbreak actually made me smile tonight.

Then I remembered that La Russa won. Oh well, I'll take it. STEAGLES has made me hate the Phils *that* much with his worthless behavior.
   20. Sweatpants Posted: October 08, 2011 at 04:23 AM (#3956687)
The Phillies are the new '90s Braves!
The Braves never lost a Division Series in the '90s.
   21. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: October 08, 2011 at 04:26 AM (#3956690)
The NLCS is going to be great baseball, but as a Cubs fan, I'm having flashbacks to 2006 when I needed to "root" for either the Cardinals or the Mets to rep the NL in the World Series.

Being a lifelong Michigan resident, I really should be pulling for Detroit. But I just can't yet. Every team, except perhaps the Pirates or Royals, have loudmouth fans. But living in Michigan, I'm only able to interact in person with those loudmouth fans who align themselves with the Tigers.

I feel like a heel, though, since there aren't any unsavory Tiger players (with the possible exception of Miguel Cabrera) and a title would be a nice pick me up for Detroit. But the Tigers seem to draw well enough each season so long as they're competitive. I don't think a world championship would jolt attendance numbers up THAT much.
   22. steagles Posted: October 08, 2011 at 04:31 AM (#3956696)
You bet he does. As obnoxious as he is, it kinda thrills me to see him get his dick knocked in the dirt over this. The thought of his heartbreak actually made me smile tonight.



hate to tell you this, but i stopped getting heartbroken over sporting events right about the same time i reached the age where i realized that the whole god thing wasn't for me.
   23. esseff Posted: October 08, 2011 at 04:36 AM (#3956699)
Rather odd factoid: The four first-round losers each outscored their opponent overall in the LCS.
   24. Voros McCracken of Pinkus Posted: October 08, 2011 at 04:38 AM (#3956701)
Was wondering if the title of "Theoretical Best Team in Baseball 2011" is still able to go to a World Series team. I suppose maybe were the Rangers to be extremely impressive in winning our en route to the title you could argue for them to unseat the Yankees (or Phillies I suppose).

I realize this is the sort of thing that brings catcalls from some sectors, but I'm not claiming this title is anywhere close to as important, just a fun thing to think about. Can the Rangers play well enough from here on out to do it? Hell, can any of the other three do it?
   25. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: October 08, 2011 at 04:38 AM (#3956702)
There's 'playing to win' and there's 'Chase Utley is still in during a meaningless game in the 13th?' Never figured out why the Phillies were going all-out to beat the Braves.

You would think they would have been more concerned with resting a tired team for the playoffs.


They were afraid of having people on BTF denounce them as destroying the integrity of the sport like the Yankees did.
   26. tshipman Posted: October 08, 2011 at 04:39 AM (#3956703)
You bet he does. As obnoxious as he is, it kinda thrills me to see him get his dick knocked in the dirt over this. The thought of his heartbreak actually made me smile tonight.

Then I remembered that La Russa won. Oh well, I'll take it. STEAGLES has made me hate the Phils *that* much with his worthless behavior.


Aren't you the dual-fanship Phillies/Mariners guy? Sports bigamy and rooting against your own team because of Steagles? Jeez.

For the record, Steagles used to annoy me, but after having had roughly 2000 fake trades involving some combination of Sam Dalembert and Andre Igouadala for LeBron get run up the flagpole, you start to get used to it.
   27. madvillain Posted: October 08, 2011 at 04:44 AM (#3956704)
Wow, a legit laugh out loud when realizing the "loud mouthed phillies fan" was none other than the NBA thread's Steagles.

Hey Steegs, maybe the Phils can trade Howard to the Bulls for Derrick Rose and Noah.
   28. charityslave is thinking about baseball Posted: October 08, 2011 at 04:48 AM (#3956706)
As much as we love to hate TLR, the man takes many different kinds of teams with many different levels of talent (ok, mostly above average talent) to the playofffs. He's the greatest manager of our generation.
   29. Walt Davis Posted: October 08, 2011 at 04:48 AM (#3956707)
Halladay should have pitched to the score. :-)

Halladay allowed a leadoff triple to Rafael Furcal, which has been Halladay's Achilles' heel this season.

Halladay gives up a lot of leadoff triples?
   30. rr Posted: October 08, 2011 at 04:50 AM (#3956708)
Eso is a Nats/Mariners fan.

Every fanbase of course has great guys and obnoxious guys, and just guys. Also, while Steagles talks some smack about his teams, I have never seen him insult people here in particularly obnoxious ways.

And Eso rooted openly and loudly for Boston to lose on a couple of GC Threads (Games 161 and 162), drawing the ire of a couple of Therapudlians.
   31. tshipman Posted: October 08, 2011 at 04:53 AM (#3956709)
Eso is a Nats/Mariners fan.


My mistake.
   32. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: October 08, 2011 at 04:53 AM (#3956710)
Aren't you the dual-fanship Phillies/Mariners guy?


Eso's a Nats/M's guy.

I suppose maybe were the Rangers to be extremely impressive in winning our en route to the title you could argue for them to unseat the Yankees (or Phillies I suppose).


Passing the Yankees wouldn't be too difficult, if they haven't already. A convincing WS run would probably do the trick against the Phils.
   33. rr Posted: October 08, 2011 at 04:55 AM (#3956712)
@28

I noted that earlier. I was in the group here who gave TLR some crap after the Rasmus deal. But here we have the Cardinals back in the NLCS.
   34. Tuque Posted: October 08, 2011 at 04:58 AM (#3956713)
Any postseason without the Yankees or the Phillies is a good postseason for me. Go whoever else!
   35. Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige Posted: October 08, 2011 at 05:03 AM (#3956717)
Steagles roots for an aging group of overpaid, unathletic veterans whose #### doesn't work in the postseason. I understand why he overcompensated with his trash talking throughout the season.
   36. steagles Posted: October 08, 2011 at 05:07 AM (#3956718)
For the record, Steagles used to annoy me, but after having had roughly 2000 fake trades involving some combination of Sam Dalembert and Andre Igouadala for LeBron get run up the flagpole, you start to get used to it.
if toronto can trade vernon wells for mike napoli while shedding the entirety of wells' contract, there's hope for this deal yet, :)
   37. sunnyday2 Posted: October 08, 2011 at 05:46 AM (#3956722)
The Phillies are still the theoretical best team in baseball in 2011. Just too bad about Cliff Lee.
   38. Esoteric Posted: October 08, 2011 at 05:53 AM (#3956724)
Eso is a Nats/Mariners fan.
Indeed. So I know what baseball futility truly feels like.

And while I was rooting for the Sox to lose, it wasn't because I disliked the Sox per se (although I have no love lost for them), but rather because "the story" was just so irresistable in all ways. And furthermore I think I really went out of my way to be very gracious about it both during (after some folks complained) and after, when it was all over. There really is no comparison.
   39. Srul Itza At Home Posted: October 08, 2011 at 06:01 AM (#3956726)
It's amazing that the existence of ONE person on this site who would be a completely typical fan on most sites (loudmouth who tries to talk trash all the time) has made so many people root against the Phillies


Sez who? I have cordially disliked the Phillies -- and the Iggles and the Sixers and the Flyers -- for decades. Screw all Philly teams.
   40. Srul Itza At Home Posted: October 08, 2011 at 06:09 AM (#3956728)
The Braves never lost a Division Series in the '90s.


They made up for it in the 00's, losing 4 out of 5 (and 2010 to boot).

Now the Mets have never lost an LDS. Too bad they almost never make it to the post-season.
   41. NJ in DC (Now with temporary employment!) Posted: October 08, 2011 at 06:09 AM (#3956729)
The Phillies are still the theoretical best team in baseball in 2011. Just too bad about Cliff Lee.

Hold on just a second...pretty sure that if you add in postseason results the Yankees are STILL dominating the Pythagorean standings.
   42. Voros McCracken of Pinkus Posted: October 08, 2011 at 06:17 AM (#3956732)
The AL West teams probably faced the second toughest schedule outside of the AL East, so that's one thing in the Rangers' favor.
   43. rr Posted: October 08, 2011 at 06:24 AM (#3956738)
but rather because "the story" was just so irresistable in all ways. And furthermore I think I really went out of my way to be very gracious about it both during (after some folks complained) and after, when it was all over. There really is no comparison.


Perhaps not, and I think you are mostly one of BTF's nice guys. But Steagles is just a guy who talks some trash about his team, and given what the Boston fans were facing at that time a guy saying "Go Orioles!" twenty times when he is not an Orioles fan...well, let's say the sword of metabrution can cut both ways.
   44. staring out the window and waiting for fenderbelly Posted: October 08, 2011 at 06:25 AM (#3956739)
I think it's worth pointing out that there weren't simply three Games 5 this year - they were all low-scoring nailbiters decided by one run. Crazy.


Plus the double game 162 madness. It's been a great couple of weeks.

Brewers - Cardinals the most legitimate bad blood LCS since 2003/2004,Red Sox-Yankees?


Agree, there is nothing like a division rival.

I am rambling, I am just excited and horrified that the Brewers have to play the Cardinals now. I love the shaggy characters and I fear the angry professionals. We all know who usually wins.
   45. bobm Posted: October 08, 2011 at 06:31 AM (#3956742)
[29]
Halladay should have pitched to the score. :-)

Halladay allowed a leadoff triple to Rafael Furcal, which has been Halladay's Achilles' heel this season.

Halladay gives up a lot of leadoff triples?


Not exactly, but his 1st inning split was bad for him, yet slightly better than league average.

Split       G  IP  ER ERA   PA R 3B HR  BA  OBP  SLG  OPS tOPS+ sOPS+
1st inning 32 32.0 13 3.66 132 14 1 4 .274 .298 .419 .717 145     91
2nd inning 32 32.0  6 1.69 123  6 0 1 .239 .258 .316 .575  97     67
3rd inning 32 32.0  6 1.69 133  7 0 1 .239 .295 .291 .585 103     63
4th inning 32 32.0 10 2.81 134 11 1 1 .308 .311 .377 .688 136     86
5th inning 32 31.0  7 2.03 120  7 1 1 .209 .222 .252 .474  63     31
6th inning 30 30.0  5 1.50 110  5 0 1 .155 .200 .204 .404  40      9
7th inning 26 25.0  7 2.52 103  5 1 0 .220 .287 .297 .584 102     66
8th inning 13 13.0  2 1.38  46  3 0 1 .133 .152 .222 .374  27      8
9th inning  7  6.2  5 6.75  32  5 0 0 .400 .438 .467 .904 212    173


His splits against batters leading off a game and an inning are also striking.

Split         G   PA AB R H  2B 3B HR   BA  OBP  SLG   OPS BAbip tOPS+ sOPS+
First Batter 32  32  31 0 14  3  1  0 .452 .469 .613 1.082 .483    270 215
Leadoff Inn. 32 236 227 4 72 13  1  4 .317 .343 .436  .779 .384    167 117


Source: B-R
   46. rr Posted: October 08, 2011 at 06:36 AM (#3956745)
I am rambling, I am just excited and horrified that the Brewers have to play the Cardinals now. I love the shaggy characters and I fear the angry professionals. We all know who usually wins


I think Milwaukee is a slightly better team, but my gut says St.Louis takes it.
   47. Forsch 10 From Navarone (Dayn) Posted: October 08, 2011 at 06:43 AM (#3956748)
I think Milwaukee is a slightly better team, but my gut says St.Louis takes it.

I think the Brewers are pretty clearly the better team based on entire body of work. I have no idea who wins this one. I expect a hell of a show.
   48. rr Posted: October 08, 2011 at 06:53 AM (#3956749)
In the playoff prediction thread, I picked Philadelphia to beat St. Louis in 5. The series was exactly what I expected...except I thought the Phillies would score 2 or 3 for Roy Halladay in Game 5 and win 3-2 or 2-1 or so. But I thought StL would make it tough on them.

Point being: St. Louis is playing very well right now, and they are getting contributions from a lot of different guys.
   49. staring out the window and waiting for fenderbelly Posted: October 08, 2011 at 06:54 AM (#3956750)
At least the Cards just used Carpenter in a long evening, and the Crew has Greinke in Game 1. Pitching rotation favors the Brewers, unless Marcum is actually hurt (as is the rumor).

Personal environment note - NO, IT'S NOT WRITTEN IN THE STARS, STFU.
   50. Boxkutter Posted: October 08, 2011 at 07:06 AM (#3956751)
Can someone explain to me the reasoning for the John Jay bunt in the 8th inning? You have runners on 1st and 2nd with no outs, and Pujols on deck. So they have Jay advance the runners while giving up an out? You have to know that Milwaukee will just walk Pujols to load the bases and increase the chances of a double play with Berkman coming up. Why would you want to have your best hitter intentionally walked? Why take the bat out of his hands in such a close, and important game? Did TLR have that much faith in Berkman (sub 700 OPS for the series) and Holliday (sub 600 OPS for the series)?

And for the record, Steagles is a pretty good guy. He and I were in the same DMB League for about four years and have spent many hours chatting with each other over messenger about baseball and such. Yeah he proposes a lot of crappy trades (he must have tried to trade me Elijah Dukes at least ten times over the last two seasons), but you can never arse-rape anyone in a trade if you don't propose it. Do you think AA up in Toronto stopped himself from offering Vernon Wells to the Angels because it wasn't a fair deal? Yeah, Steagles can be a little abrasive, but we all can be a little judgmental and intolerant too. Just look at the hatred spewed about TLR on this site... and I'd be willing to bet that 99.9% of us have never even met the man.
   51. cardsfanboy Posted: October 08, 2011 at 07:19 AM (#3956754)
Gotta love the Brewers/Cards NLCS this sets up. That will be EPIC.

Not sure Epic is the word I would use, but this series is going to be intense and fun for fans of either team.
   52. cardsfanboy Posted: October 08, 2011 at 07:26 AM (#3956755)
The Phillies are still the theoretical best team in baseball in 2011. Just too bad about Cliff Lee


I have zero problems with conceeding that 'fact'. The post season is a crapshoot, I honestly think the Phillies are a better team than the Cardinals, and the Cardinals won. I honestly think the Cardinals are a better team than the Brewers, but don't think that a 7 game series is going to confirm that no matter which team wins.
   53. Dan Evensen Posted: October 08, 2011 at 09:55 AM (#3956766)
I know merely by having a username on this site qualifies me as a baseball geek, but damn, I love 1-0 games.

You certainly qualify as one of the more esoteric posters on this site -- and I've only seen you in a few threads so far.

I love 1-0 games, too.
   54. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: October 08, 2011 at 10:18 AM (#3956767)
but my gut says St.Louis takes it.

(acts like Donald Sutherland in final scene of "Invasion of the Body Snatchers")
   55. OsunaSakata Posted: October 08, 2011 at 11:55 AM (#3956783)
This morning the Phillies page on philly.com has a banner ad that says,"Attention Cardinals. Our fans have been known to flip a few birds. And after we win the World Series...maybe a couple of cars too. Which is probably a good time to check out...the all-new 2012 Toyota Camry."

Guess it goes along with Congratulations World Champion Miami Heat newspaper ad.
   56. Something Other Posted: October 08, 2011 at 12:02 PM (#3956786)
I know it's not sporting, but it did make some sense for Philly to tank that last game against my Bravos. Maybe even the whole series.
Thing is, when the rules encourage you to dump in order to increase your chances of ultimately winning the World Series, isn't dumping (tanking) the correct thing to do? Isn't it unsporting to give yourself a worse chance of winning it all?
   57. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: October 08, 2011 at 12:37 PM (#3956794)
One of the best things about this postseason is that, thank the Gods, it doesn't feature a single team that won fewer than 90 games. I don't have that yuck feeling I had watching, say, the Cardinals beat the Mets or the Astros win the pennant...still, I do hope the Cardinals lose; nothing at all against them, but I think one of the teams that made it to 95 wins and won their division deserves the championship.
   58. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: October 08, 2011 at 12:52 PM (#3956800)
There's 'playing to win' and there's 'Chase Utley is still in during a meaningless game in the 13th?'
...
You would think they would have been more concerned with resting a tired team for the playoffs.

Utley missed the first third of the season. He had been rested for a couple games the week before. He wasn't tired. He played with (too much?) brio in the post-season.

By extra innings of that game, there weren't many regulars left in the game.
   59. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: October 08, 2011 at 12:53 PM (#3956802)
I hate to sound all MSM, but my high concept take of this series is that the Cardinals treated every at bat as precious; the Phillies didn't.
   60. billyshears Posted: October 08, 2011 at 01:17 PM (#3956816)
For a Mets fan, the past two days have been like Christmas in August.
   61. Matt Welch Posted: October 08, 2011 at 01:30 PM (#3956827)
You have to know that Milwaukee will just walk Pujols to load the bases and increase the chances of a double play with Berkman coming up.

I like my chances with Lance Berkman and the bases loaded. Halladay was an absolute beast in that at bat, however. Two other reasons to bunt: 1) John Jay looked totally overmatched against Halladay anyway, and 2) a team that has just played bad defense against a bunt in a playoff game is a decent bet to play some more bad defense against a bunt.

Not saying I would have done it, but it doesn't strike me as crazy.
   62. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: October 08, 2011 at 01:38 PM (#3956836)
The Phillies are the new '90s Braves!

Well, it HAS been a steady slide down the hill since their last moment of glory:

2008 won World Series
2009 lost World Series
2010 lost LCS
2011 lost DS
2012 lose wild card playoff game?
2013 Contracted and merged with Pirates, and renamed the Phil-Pitt Philrates?

Hey, don't laugh, it's been done before
   63. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: October 08, 2011 at 01:45 PM (#3956841)
Ron hates the IBB

And the walk to Montero reminded him why
   64. sinicalypse Posted: October 08, 2011 at 01:52 PM (#3956847)
Can someone explain to me the reasoning for the John Jay bunt in the 8th inning? You have runners on 1st and 2nd with no outs, and Pujols on deck. So they have Jay advance the runners while giving up an out? You have to know that Milwaukee will just walk Pujols to load the bases and increase the chances of a double play with Berkman coming up.


Well yeah, you definitely know that Milwaukee will IBB Pujols in that situation, but with Charlie Manuel and the Phils you never do quite know =D

The only thing I can think of is that TLR was neurotic about having Jay ground into a double play, therefore he wanted the highest % chance to get a runner over to third with 1 out, therefore setting up an insurance run via sac fly. I personally would have taken the risk in order to give my best hitter a chance to knock in the run, even if the case ends up being a runner at third with 2 outs. Berkman was flat out overmatched in that at-bat against Halladay.
   65. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: October 08, 2011 at 02:12 PM (#3956862)

For a Mets fan, the past two days have been like Christmas in August.


Your shitty team is so pathetic that rooting against the Yankees and Phillies is all you have. How lame.
   66. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: October 08, 2011 at 02:21 PM (#3956871)
Pujols vs Halladay: .125/.263/.188

Berkman, OTOH, homered off Halladay in game 1.
   67. TerpNats Posted: October 08, 2011 at 02:23 PM (#3956874)
I suppose the Series I'd like to see now is Rangers-Brewers, because neither team (or manager) has ever won one.
   68. cardsfanboy Posted: October 08, 2011 at 02:29 PM (#3956879)
I suppose the Series I'd like to see now is Rangers-Brewers, because neither team (or manager) has ever won one.


That to me is something I would root for also(of course I would prefer the Cardinals but, the logic of having a series where one team will make franchise history is a nice story)
   69. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: October 08, 2011 at 02:47 PM (#3956892)
moved to the other thread
   70. steagles Posted: October 08, 2011 at 03:00 PM (#3956901)
2013 Contracted and merged with Pirates, and renamed the Phil-Pitt Philrates?
i hope that one day we will be so lucky as to be able to root for the philadelphia-pittsburgh phil-ates.
   71. billyshears Posted: October 08, 2011 at 03:43 PM (#3956926)
Your shitty team is so pathetic that rooting against the Yankees and Phillies is all you have. How lame.


Sensitive much?
   72. Karl from NY Posted: October 08, 2011 at 03:51 PM (#3956933)
The Braves never lost a Division Series in the '90s.

Wow, I never realized that. Yup, 8 straight NLCSes from 1991-1999. (minus 94 of course.) 5 straight Division Series wins 1995-1999.

The Mets have also never lost a Division Series, going 3-0. (coke to Srul in #40.) In fact the Mets' all time record in the first playoff round is 6-1, the only loss being the 1988 NLCS.
   73. JRVJ Posted: October 08, 2011 at 06:28 PM (#3957005)
I am terribly, terribly saddened by the loss of the Phillies, but the Phillies offense all year had gone through periods in which it just wouldn't hit. It's a shame, but this was also evident late last year.

There is no question in my mind that if the Phillies had gotten hot offensively, they would have won this and other series ahead of them. In 2012, I think the Phillies have to address their LF situation (either truly go all-in in with Dom Brown or get somebody on the relative cheap to replace the black hole that was Ibañez) and perhaps even 3B (Polly Polanco can and probably should be a super sub in his last year for the Phils, especially if Rollins leaves and the Phils have to balance that departure with more production in 3B).

I've stated in the past that the Phillies have become a super team, on the same level as the Yankees and Red Sox. Results on the field notwithstanding, the tremendous demand for Philly tickets (the Phillies were no. 1 in attendance in MLB) and the solid Philly TV ratings should allow the Phils to maintain that level, and in fact, they can probably raise ticket prices a little and increase payroll (by my back of the envelope calculation, the Phils can probably add between $2 and $3 per ticket per game, which should net them between $7 and $10MM extra per year). If I know Philly, fans will be disappointed all winter, but they will keep on going to the Bank next year.
   74. McCoy Posted: October 08, 2011 at 06:36 PM (#3957010)
The Mets have also never lost a Division Series, going 3-0. (coke to Srul in #40.) In fact the Mets' all time record in the first playoff round is 6-1, the only loss being the 1988 NLCS.

Whereas the Cubs have won only of their first series in the playoffs out of their last 13 appearances. They are the New Orleans Saints of baseball before there was even a New Orleans Saints of football.
   75. Dr. Vaux Posted: October 08, 2011 at 07:03 PM (#3957028)
Well, the Phillies have to fill not only left field but also first base. Those are "easy" positions to fill, but . . . they could be looking at a Giants level offense next year.
   76. TomH Posted: October 08, 2011 at 07:31 PM (#3957036)
"Giants level offense next year"

wow, them's fightin words
   77. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: October 08, 2011 at 08:15 PM (#3957047)
by my back of the envelope calculation, the Phils can probably add between $2 and $3 per ticket per game, which should net them between $7 and $10MM extra per year


And a third of that will go straight into Jeff Loria's art collection.

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