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Monday, June 11, 2018

Sunday Baseball Notes: Clay Buchholz, staff savior? The Diamondbacks think so

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Jim Furtado Posted: June 11, 2018 at 05:56 AM | 25 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: June 11, 2018 at 09:04 AM (#5689459)
Buchholz was often injured during his time with the Red Sox. When he was good, he was very good. When he was bad, he was very bad. Buchholz never really harnessed his talent. He never truly understood his importance to the Red Sox pitching staff and seemed content to be the No. 3 or 4 starter rather than striving to be the No. 1, because he had that type of ability.

Buchholz declined to be interviewed for this story. He didn’t seem to like how he was covered and characterized while with the Red Sox. Though he’s good friends with John Lackey and Jon Lester, he never adopted their gutsiness.


Geez, reading those two paragraphs I can't imagine why he didn't like the way he was covered.

Buchholz was exasperating. He was kind of a poor man's Pedro, he was either awesome or injured. He gave the Sox a couple of gutsy performances in the 2013 post-season that were key to that title. He never became the Ace that was forecasted for him but he won 81 games for the Sox which is, other than Lester, the most they've had from a home grown pitcher since Clemens I think.
   2. SoSH U at work Posted: June 11, 2018 at 09:42 AM (#5689471)
He never became the Ace that was forecasted for him but he won 81 games for the Sox which is, other than Lester, the most they've had from a home grown pitcher since Clemens I THINK.


That's not a hard list to crack. And, no one is that close to Buchholz.

OK, name the next five home-grown Red Sox pitchers in line behind Clay who have posted the most wins with the team since Clemens was drafted in 1983? Win totals to follow, if necessary.
   3. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: June 11, 2018 at 09:46 AM (#5689473)
Oh my god.

Sele has to be on the list somewhere.
Do we count EdRod as homegrown? If he's on the list that's kind of sad either way.
If EdRod counts Derek Lowe counts and he has to be on the list.
Suppan.
Casey Fossum.
   4. Tom Nawrocki Posted: June 11, 2018 at 09:50 AM (#5689474)
Does Oil Can Boyd count?
   5. jmurph Posted: June 11, 2018 at 09:51 AM (#5689476)
Does Schilling count?
   6. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: June 11, 2018 at 09:53 AM (#5689477)
Boyd (and Bruce Hurst) both came up before Roger.
   7. SoSH U at work Posted: June 11, 2018 at 09:53 AM (#5689478)
Sele has 38, he's second.
EdRod counts, he's got 26 and is tied for third.
Lowe debuted with Seattle, he doesn't count.
Fossum and Suppan don't make it.
Nos. 1 and 5 are slightly tricky.

   8. SoSH U at work Posted: June 11, 2018 at 09:54 AM (#5689479)
Schilling is 1, at 53.
   9. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: June 11, 2018 at 09:55 AM (#5689480)
Lowe debuted with Seattle, he doesn't count.


Huh, I thought he debuted with the Sox.

Did Arroyo have any MLB time with Pittsburgh before coming to Boston?

Oh, Matsuzaka must be on the list.
   10. SoSH U at work Posted: June 11, 2018 at 09:59 AM (#5689482)
Huh, I thought he debuted with the Sox.


Varitek did. Lowe didn't.



Did Arroyo have any MLB time with Pittsburgh before coming to Boston?


Yes.

Oh, Matsuzaka must be on the list.


He is, though I missed him initially. He's second at 50. So we're actually looking for 1-6, and missing tied for fourth and sixth. As mentioned, No. 6 is a little trickier.
   11. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: June 11, 2018 at 10:00 AM (#5689483)
Tomo Ohka?
   12. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: June 11, 2018 at 10:00 AM (#5689484)
Papelbon.
   13. SoSH U at work Posted: June 11, 2018 at 10:02 AM (#5689485)
Duke's Far East find only had six wins in Boston.
   14. SoSH U at work Posted: June 11, 2018 at 10:03 AM (#5689486)
Papelbon is sixth with 23, which highlights the lack of homegrown pitching since the early 1980s.
   15. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: June 11, 2018 at 10:18 AM (#5689493)
So we've got;

Schilling
Matsuzaka
Sele
Rodriguez
Papelbon
???

Right? Kevin Morton/?
   16. SoSH U at work Posted: June 11, 2018 at 10:39 AM (#5689507)
53. Schilling
50. Matsuzaka
38. Sele
26. Rodriguez
26. ?
23. Papelbon

Not Morton. The third-best future Red Sox player from the 1988 Seton Hall Pirates only won six games during his single season in the big leagues.
   17. PreservedFish Posted: June 11, 2018 at 10:42 AM (#5689510)
Stephen Wright?
   18. SoSH U at work Posted: June 11, 2018 at 10:53 AM (#5689519)
Stephen Wright?


He's tied with Papelbon.
   19. Tim M Posted: June 11, 2018 at 11:08 AM (#5689543)
I'm a bigtime Sox fan, and am gobsmacked by this thread. How the hell did we win 3 WS again?
   20. jmurph Posted: June 11, 2018 at 11:28 AM (#5689567)
I'm a bigtime Sox fan, and am gobsmacked by this thread. How the hell did we win 3 WS again?

Really good offenses, really good trades. Oh and lots of money!
   21. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: June 11, 2018 at 11:31 AM (#5689572)
Selig and the Budshoviks greased the skids with the Yankee tax then George Mitchell stole all the steroids from Yankee players and gave them to Red Sox players and hushed it up.
   22. SoSH U at work Posted: June 11, 2018 at 11:37 AM (#5689577)

Selig and the Budshoviks greased the skids with the Yankee tax then George Mitchell stole all the steroids from Yankee players and gave them to Red Sox players and hushed it up.


Yankee players would never let a Dominican milkshake pass their sainted lips. Any evidence of roid usage was clearly planted by Mitchell's henchmen.
   23. Randomly Fluctuating Defensive Metric Posted: June 11, 2018 at 01:24 PM (#5689691)
Don't forget Anibal Sanchez. I was just looking at the '99 Red Sox Baseball Reference page because someone posted that entire ALCS on Youtube recently. Juan Pena caught my attention. He didn't have great results in the minors but obviously had a live arm with a solid strikeout rate for a starting pitching in that time period. He came up with the Red Sox in '99, threw two great games, and seemed to immediately get hurt. He never made it back to the majors. He looked like he may have been on his way to a very respectable career. That's another thing about developing homegrown pitchers. There's a lot of luck involved. Despite the skill of scouts and minor league coaches, I'd say its a lot of luck too.
   24. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: June 11, 2018 at 04:28 PM (#5689869)
I remember going to a late era Buchholz game, went to get a beer just before the first pitch, and after two pitches it was 1-0 White Sox with a runner on second. He actually pulled it together from there, giving up 3 runs in 5 IP, but the Sox still lost 3-1.
   25. SoSH U at work Posted: June 11, 2018 at 05:44 PM (#5689891)
To complete the question, temporarily sharing the 26-win mark with Eduardo Rodriguez is our list's sole southpaw, Felix Doubront. I can hear Jose kicking himself from here.

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