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Survey of insiders reveals who’s at top of their game | New York Post

Mike Trout is the best player. Who knew?

Jim Furtado Posted: March 23, 2014 at 08:27 AM | 12 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. cardsfanboy Posted: March 23, 2014 at 09:58 AM (#4675621)
From the article...

By the time you read this, two regular-season games already will have been played in Australia. Only 2,428 to go.


Stupid stuff like that make me want to just stop reading the article. We get it, you don't like them playing overseas... Why bring it up in everything. It's as dumb as the idiots on here who bring up Paterno in every Pos thread or Roids in every thread.

The voting was interesting, no real shockers, when you accept that one vote for a player means nothing....best position player? Cabrera/Trout/Mccutchen..check...next Cano/Yadier/Posey/goldschmidt etc... Best pitcher? Kershaw...only shock there was Strasburg getting just one vote, (of course Mariano Rivera got one vote also) Not sure how to trust the one ballot which left Kimbrell off of it for best reliever...seriously you have five votes and can't find room for Kimbrel?
   2. gehrig97 Posted: March 23, 2014 at 10:36 AM (#4675629)
Of more concern is the one vote for Don Mattingly as best manager.
   3. JE (Jason Epstein) Posted: March 23, 2014 at 12:13 PM (#4675641)
Of more concern is the one vote for Don Mattingly as best manager.

Even more surprising, Matheny came in second among skippers based on two seasons of work. As for general managers, Tery Ryan came in fifth.
   4. Greg K Posted: March 23, 2014 at 12:59 PM (#4675663)
Even more surprising, Matheny came in second among skippers based on two seasons of work. As for general managers, Tery Ryan came in fifth.

I think you can argue whether it's accurate or not, but I'm not sure it's surprising if a guy who managed a team to the World Series finishes second in some kind of vote on best manager. I'm sure whichever managers are in the World Series in 2014 will score well in a similar vote next year.
   5. cardsfanboy Posted: March 23, 2014 at 02:18 PM (#4675701)
Even more surprising, Matheny came in second among skippers based on two seasons of work. As for general managers, Tery Ryan came in fifth.


Matheny hasn't missed a step taking over for TLR, the atmosphere he has is a little more relaxed, and tactics wise (regardless of the naysayers) has been mostly solid, basically he has the positives from a Dusty Baker player friendly type of manager, without the over the top redass, accented by the knowledge that he is still learning on the job and willing to listen to multiple viewpoints.

He's an excellent manager, not the best at tactics(still better than Scioscia) not the most volatile, but still emotional, and a players manager.
   6. JE (Jason Epstein) Posted: March 23, 2014 at 03:23 PM (#4675772)
I'm not saying Matheny, despite only being on the job for two seasons, isn't worthy of some consideration, but a no. 2 ranking seems a bit over-the-top.

Didn't John Farrell have a tougher job last season? Or Buck Showalter, who helped return the Orioles to relevance? Or Freddi Gonzalez, who like Matheny, "hasn't missed a step taking over" for Bobby Cox? Or Bob Melvin, who like Matheny, led his team to consecutive division titles? Or Bruce Bochy, who has piloted his club to a couple of rings?
   7. cardsfanboy Posted: March 23, 2014 at 03:42 PM (#4675784)
I'm not saying Matheny, despite only being on the job for two seasons, isn't worthy of some consideration, but a no. 2 ranking seems a bit over-the-top.


It's arguable there just aren't other perceived good managers out there... Maddon is widely considered a good manager, but who else has had success for multiple seasons?

Fredi Gonzalez has one more year than Matheny with his current team, same with Bob Melvin...Girardi didn't make the playoffs last year, Ron Washington has been successful, but there doesn't seem to be a lot of respect for him out there, who else would you choose if you are asked to name five best managers in baseball?
Didn't John Farrell have a tougher job last season?


Matheny is a poor pick because he only has two years, but Farrell isn't with his current one year?

I think that a team finishing below .500 pretty much removes you from consideration, so Bochy is eliminated. Whether it's accurate or not isn't really relevant in these type of surveys.
   8. JE (Jason Epstein) Posted: March 23, 2014 at 04:02 PM (#4675788)
Matheny is a poor pick because he only has two years, but Farrell isn't with his current one year?

Three, actually.
   9. cardsfanboy Posted: March 23, 2014 at 04:06 PM (#4675793)
Three, actually.


Two losing years in Toronto(.500 or less). The comment current one year, was in reference to his current team.
   10. salviaman Posted: March 23, 2014 at 05:28 PM (#4675846)
Theo Epstein not mentioned for best GM?
   11. villageidiom Posted: March 23, 2014 at 08:05 PM (#4675918)
Theo Epstein isn't a GM.
   12. Walt Davis Posted: March 24, 2014 at 12:38 AM (#4675985)
Mike Trout is the best player. Who knew?

Not the BBWAA.

Theo Epstein isn't a GM.

It's getting hard to tell these days as there's been so much title inflation. It's true he's President, Baseball Operations but then it's also true that Jed is an Executive VP (and GM). Dombrowski is CEO, President and GM. Per Cot's, Friedman's only title is Exec VP of BO. Jocketty is President & GM. So are Melvin and Rizzo. O'Dowd is Exec VP, Chief Baseball Officer (only one of those I found) and GM.

All told, almost all GMs carry a VP, Senior VP, Exec VP or President title too. Theo, Shapiro, Schuerholtz and maybe a couple other older GMs hovering around as Presidents. Granted, Friedman was the only "GM" I found without a GM title but I suspect that's the wave of the future. I'll guess we'll get split GM positions soon enough: GM development, GM acquisition/analytics/payroll, GM operations each with a couple of assistant GM roles.

I don't follow the Chicago press but based on articles posted here, it seems like folks treat Theo as running the show.

Wow, Beane's already extended through 2019.

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