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Tuesday, August 14, 2018

Taking Back the Ballparks - Cincinnati Reds

Great American Ball Park, home to the Cincinnati Reds, is perhaps the most overly ambitiously named park of the new entries. I’ve been there a few times. It’s nice enough, and the steamshippish structure in centerfield is a sensible fit given the Ohio River and its Tall Stacks sit just beyond right field. But it’s simply not going to top many favorite lists. It’s an upgrade on Riverfront, and the Reds Museum is nice, but the overall effect is just not that special. On the other hand, it separates ball and park, calling to mind the rarely seen Primate, Lance Linden.

It’s too bad. Cincy remains a great baseball town, and it treats Opening Day with the reverence that most important of days deserves. It’s damn near a holiday in the Queen City (non-Charlotte division).

Chairman’s Ruling: Following the Pete Rose permanent ban is strongly encouraged, but will not be mandated. We don’t think there will be any serious references to Charlie Hustle from our team of nominators unless Bear makes one of his infrequent forays in here.

Ballpark History

Built: 2003

Capacity:42,319

Name: Great American Ball Park. 

Other ballparks used by club in its current city: Got a minute: Bank Street Grounds, 1882-83; League Park 1 1884-1893; League Park II 1894-1901; Palace of the Fans, 1902-1911; Crosley Field, 1912-1970; Riverfront Stadium, 1970-2002.

Distinctive Features:A gap in the stands between home and third, allowing views in and out of the park from downtown; centerfield smokestacks; murals and sculptures of Reds’ history, including Reds Legends of Crosley Field; Reds Hall of Fame and Museum; the possibility of hitting the ball into another state (like the airport, the river is in Kentucky).


Ballpark Highlights:

Virtually every home game for the better part of six years, Marty Brennaman ####### about Adam Dunn.

Spurred by antagonistic comments and unwelcome shinguard taps from Brandon Phillips and the general hardassery of Yadi Molina, the Reds and Cards emptied the benches before the first pitch of their NL Central showdown in 2010. Fortunately, the cooler heads of Tony LaRussa and Dusty Baker were there to keep things from getting out of hand. 

Later that year, in their only home playoff game, the Reds were blanked 3-0 by the Phillies’ Cole Hamels. Hell, at least they got a few hits. 

On June 13, 2012, Joey Votto showed us what humans are capable of if they truly put their mind to it (though we also wouldn’t mind a few swings sprinkled in there).

On June 6, 2017, waiver wire pickup Scooter Gennett became the 18th player to homer four times in a single game.

Last night, double-no-hitter tosser Homer Bailey tried to pitch without the ball. Given his recent success when he has a ball in hand, it was probably a tactic worth considering. 

 

SoSH U at work Posted: August 14, 2018 at 11:45 AM | 67 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: August 14, 2018 at 12:18 PM (#5726429)
First Nine Field
Riverfront ...Field? ...Grounds? Surely someone was going to suggest it, and Stadium or Park is off the table.
Harry Wright Park (blech)
   2. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: August 14, 2018 at 12:20 PM (#5726433)
Schott Kennel
   3. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 14, 2018 at 12:23 PM (#5726438)
Forgive me if you already know this, but isn't the name a sponsorship by Cincinnati insurer Great American rather than any surfeit of ambition?
   4. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: August 14, 2018 at 12:32 PM (#5726447)
Riverboat Park
Steamboat Park
Paddle Steamer Park
   5. SoSH U at work Posted: August 14, 2018 at 12:38 PM (#5726453)
Forgive me if you already know this, but isn't the name a sponsorship by Cincinnati insurer Great American rather than any surfeit of ambition?


Yes, I know the origin. But the end result is the same - Great American Ball Park.
   6. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 14, 2018 at 12:40 PM (#5726458)
I'd say the insurer is overly ambitious.
   7. SoSH U at work Posted: August 14, 2018 at 12:43 PM (#5726463)
Sitting just a few hundred feet from GABP is the National Underground Railroad Freedom Center, it's location there due to Cincinnati and the Ohio River's prominence in the abolition movement. To the runaway slaves, the Ohio River was called the River Jordan. Thus:

River Jordan Ball Park.

   8. SoSH U at work Posted: August 14, 2018 at 12:44 PM (#5726464)

I'd say the insurer is overly ambitious.


That seems inarguable.
   9. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 14, 2018 at 12:45 PM (#5726466)
Sitting just a few hundred feet from GABP is the National Underground Railroad Freedom Center, it's location there due to Cincinnati, and the Ohio River's prominence in the abolition movement. To the runaway slaves, the Ohio River was called the River Jordan. Thus:

River Jordan Ball Park.
I like this idea.

Wait, did I just virtue signal?
   10. BDC Posted: August 14, 2018 at 12:52 PM (#5726472)
Hmn, Crosley Field stood for almost 60 years and was called Crosley for only about 35 of them, after a team owner. It was not near the current park. The older ballparks in Cincinnati were well out to the northwest of the city center, back over a century ago when the riverfront was prosperous. When the riverfront became dilapidated, it became an excellent site for a new stadium.

Heck, "Riverfront" was an excellent name (like "Three Rivers" in Pittsburgh, same vintage park, similar city history). It's descriptive and evokes Cincinnati. The current place is almost exactly where Riverfront was. Would we really use any other name for it?
   11. Dolf Lucky Posted: August 14, 2018 at 01:03 PM (#5726487)
Riverfront Stadium, as a name, is both descriptive and accurate. It also conjures images of the franchise at its peak.

If you wanted to get pretentious, you could add in something about being "At the Banks" or "On the Banks", as the The Banks is the name of the developed area adjacent to the stadium.

Also, Great American is a corporate name that easily doubles as real language, meaning it's basically fine. It's an oversell, for sure, but so is the city of Cincinnati.

Basically, the final name should either reference Riverfront or Great American. Maybe call it the Great American Riverfront.
   12. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: August 14, 2018 at 01:09 PM (#5726491)
The older ballparks in Cincinnati were well out to the northwest of the city center, back over a century ago when the riverfront was prosperous. When the riverfront became dilapidated, it became an excellent site for a new stadium.


This isn't true. Baseball was played at the corner of Western and Findlay in Cincinnati from 1884 to 1970. Findlay Street starts west of downtown, travels mostly East-West and goes right into Over-The-Rhine. Which is the historic downtown neighborhood just north of the central-business district. Saying it was well out to the northwest makes it sound like it was way out in th boonies. Western Avenue, which bounded Crosley on the east, is about 2.5 miles from Great American Ballpark.

edit: it was in Queensgate, which was the meat processing/packing area of the city, and which gave Cincinnati the nickname of Porkopolis.
   13. Dolf Lucky Posted: August 14, 2018 at 01:13 PM (#5726493)
Coke to BDC who apparently thinks like I do but quicker.
   14. DavidFoss Posted: August 14, 2018 at 01:18 PM (#5726496)
Graeter's Park
   15. BDC Posted: August 14, 2018 at 01:22 PM (#5726500)
Berroa, your geography is accurate, it's just a matter of interpretation. On the scale of the 19th-century city, Western & Findlay is northwest; anymore, it is pretty central. It's similar to Wrigley or Fenway; we think of those places as being well and truly in the city, but BITD they were more outlying.

Two and a half miles was just further in 1884 than it is today. But it all depends on how you look at it, indeed.
   16. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: August 14, 2018 at 01:27 PM (#5726505)
Two and a half miles was just further in 1884 than it is today. But it all depends on how you look at it, indeed.


True. But, GABP is technically to the east of the city center. It is only about 1.5 miles from Western to Fountain Square, which, I think, has always been considered the city center. I guess if you can walk to a location in 30 minutes, to me it feels wrong to call it "well out to the northwest". :-) Though, I may be underestimating the degree of difficulty it took to walk through a late 1800s city. :-)
   17. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: August 14, 2018 at 01:36 PM (#5726520)
Graeter's Park


Graeter's Field at Goetta Ballpark on the Riverfront.

or

Graeter's Field at LaRosa's Park at the Banks Along the Riverfront (GF@LP@B@R for short) :-)
   18. Rusty Priske Posted: August 14, 2018 at 01:38 PM (#5726524)
When does it not matter that it is a corporate sponsored name? When someone who hears it wouldn't KNOW it was corporately named if not told.

I ALMOST support Great American Ball Park...

... but I would rather it was called Riverfront Stadium.
   19. Greg Pope Posted: August 14, 2018 at 01:39 PM (#5726525)
which gave Cincinnati the nickname of Porkopolis

Since this appears to be accurate based on a quick google search, I think Porkopolis Park should be considered.
   20. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: August 14, 2018 at 01:47 PM (#5726534)
The problem with Riverfront Stadium is that there was a Riverfront Stadium. Great teams played there. That has mostly NOT been the case at Great American Ballpark. :-) Hey, how are the Reds doing? Last place.... so, how about:

Last Place Field.

   21. Steve Parris, Je t'aime Posted: August 14, 2018 at 01:49 PM (#5726537)
Porkopolis Park - homage to the city's pork processing history, as referenced in [12] (and now nominated in [19])

Flying Pigs Field - Flying Pigs is also the name of the Cincy marathon

Findlay Field - the opening day parade is called the Findlay Market parade

Sawyer Point Park - it's also a neary riverfront park. It's a cool ballpark name but it'd be confusing to have two of them.

Roebling Grounds - the Roebling Suspension Bridge is right near GABP and was the world's longest suspension bridge at the time it was finished. To me it is the most iconic structure of downtown Cincinnati.

I also like the River Jordan Park suggestion.
   22. Ziggy's screen name Posted: August 14, 2018 at 01:56 PM (#5726552)
'Riverfront Stadium' is an excellent name. There's no need to get cute with this one.
   23. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: August 14, 2018 at 01:59 PM (#5726556)
Ballpark Highlights:


You missed this one:

Adam Dunn going LIMA TIME! on a Jose Lima fastball and hitting it over the batters eye building in center, bouncing off the concourse, then off the road, and all the way down to the river.
   24. Nasty Nate Posted: August 14, 2018 at 02:02 PM (#5726563)
'Riverfront Stadium' is an excellent name. There's no need to get cute with this one.
But this isn't like Yankee stadium - which is partially meant to be updated version of the old place. The old Riverfront was a symmetric multi-use stadium - the new Reds' park is nothing like it as far as I know.
   25. Dolf Lucky Posted: August 14, 2018 at 02:03 PM (#5726566)
Riverfront 2: Son of Riverfront
   26. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: August 14, 2018 at 02:07 PM (#5726570)
Son of Riverfront


Nice reference to the Beast and Son of Beast rollercoasters at Kings Island. Of course, Son of Beast has already been torn down...
   27. Graham & the 15-win "ARod Vortex of suck" Posted: August 14, 2018 at 02:21 PM (#5726581)
The original name for Cincinnati was Losantiville, which was derived from the town's location directly across the Ohio from the mouth of the Licking River. The ballpark sits almost directly across from the Licking River, and Losantiville is a much cooler name than Cincinnati. I propose Losantiville Landing.
   28. Master of the Horse Posted: August 14, 2018 at 02:23 PM (#5726585)
GAB is pretty boring as a stadium but has one feature that is outstanding. Cheeto popcorn. So simple but so great. Eating cheeto popcorn with a local beer watching Votto is killer.
   29. SoSH U at work Posted: August 14, 2018 at 02:25 PM (#5726587)
Roebling Grounds - the Roebling Suspension Bridge is right near GABP and was the world's longest suspension bridge at the time it was finished. To me it is the most iconic structure of downtown Cincinnati.


Either that or the fountain (as seen on WKRP).
   30. PreservedFish Posted: August 14, 2018 at 02:28 PM (#5726593)
Cheeto popcorn. So simple but so great.


I'm just glad they don't put chili on the popcorn.
   31. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: August 14, 2018 at 02:37 PM (#5726604)
As long as we're just recycling old names:

Union Grounds
   32. DavidFoss Posted: August 14, 2018 at 02:41 PM (#5726610)
As long as we're just recycling old names:

Palace of the Fans is an awesome name. Too bad it only lasted a decade.
   33. vortex of dissipation Posted: August 14, 2018 at 03:00 PM (#5726634)
Riverfront is perfect. Just use Park instead of Stadium. Riverfront Park.
   34. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: August 14, 2018 at 04:01 PM (#5726716)
Me? I just really like Great American Ballpark as a name.
   35. SoSH U at work Posted: August 14, 2018 at 04:07 PM (#5726723)

Riverfront is perfect. Just use Park instead of Stadium. Riverfront Park.


I'm fine with Riverfront. But I like the two words Ball and Park of the current name.

   36. vortex of dissipation Posted: August 14, 2018 at 04:15 PM (#5726729)
I'm fine with Riverfront. But I like the two words Ball and Park of the current name.


That works, too.
   37. karlmagnus Posted: August 14, 2018 at 06:05 PM (#5726830)
Go for tradition

Red Stockings Base Ball Field
   38. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: August 14, 2018 at 07:14 PM (#5726873)
Great American Ballpark is a terrrific name for a ballpark. It kind of sucks that it’s actually named for an insurance company because that just sounds great.

I like Riverfront Field also.

Side note: This is a beautiful ballpark. One of my favorites that I’ve been too.
   39. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: August 14, 2018 at 10:51 PM (#5726947)
I like Porkopolis Park or the Palace of the Fans. If half the minor league teams in America can live with cutesy-poo names, then the Majors can stand to have one that resonates with a bit of local history.

And on that historical note, I should add that the Palace of the Fans was the only ballpark of its time to serve mixed drinks as well as beer. Another great Rhineland tradition.

   40. Jarrod HypnerotomachiaPoliphili (TeddyF.Ballgame) Posted: August 14, 2018 at 11:09 PM (#5726955)
Skyline Chili Field

Or if you prefer something less branded but even more accurate, Weird Chili Field

Riverfront Ball Park

Union Grounds (where the 1869 Red Stockings played; also touches on the River Jordan/freedom idea)

Park 1869
   41. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: August 14, 2018 at 11:26 PM (#5726962)
I usually head to GAB once or twice a year from Indy, easy ride to Cincinnati. I can't seem to avoid 90+ degree games, pretty much anytime. It is pretty sweltering if you are down 3B line or LF. Large lower seating bowl, which I appreciate. Plenty of mallpark stuff which defines the era of course. My favorite discovery was a Valet parking option for $20!!!! I had my two young kids with me (still had a stroller) and it was a Godsend, right outside the 1B side gates.. It's a fine park, though admittedly hard to differentiate from many of the post Camden parks in MLB. I think they (like a lot of parks) need to repurpose some areas, to allow for more standing and hanging out. Best thing, watching Votto play in person w/o somebody complaining about him in your ear.

I was always fascinated with the Palace of the Fans (all those old stadium books). I'm not sure GAB is worthy of Palace of the Fans status, unless they can get some giant columns installed stat! It's location makes it very walkable from many of the downtown hotels, though for those unfamiliar it can be quite a huff on the way back to the hotel with tired kids in tow. Cincy, unlike Indy, is very hilly, the Ohio River will do that for you. Not to distract too much, but isn't GAB and the Bengals stadium viewed as one of the worst financial deals for a city in pro sports? Hard to quantify these things.

My vote on this poll is undecided based on the likely choices.
   42. greenback slays lewks Posted: August 14, 2018 at 11:43 PM (#5726965)
But this isn't like Yankee stadium - which is partially meant to be updated version of the old place. The old Riverfront was a symmetric multi-use stadium - the new Reds' park is nothing like it as far as I know.

Busch Stadium is also a recycled name from an ash tray stadium. Apparently only the White Sox get to rename their baseball field in this region of the country.

The current iteration feels more like "Riverfront Stadium" than the old ballpark, since the old one was enclosed and the new one has a clear view of the Ohio.
   43. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: August 14, 2018 at 11:48 PM (#5726966)
You just persuaded me. It is a Riverfront Park, heck I once parked on the other side in Kentucky once to catch a game one night during a canoeing camping trip a few dozen miles away.
   44. SoSH U at work Posted: August 14, 2018 at 11:50 PM (#5726969)
Busch Stadium is also a recycled name from an ash tray stadium. Apparently only the White Sox get to rename their baseball field in this region of the country.


Not so fast. Guaranteed Rate Field could still be the choice.

We did rename the parks in Detroit and Minneapolis, so the Midwest hasn't gone entirely with the status quo.

   45. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: August 15, 2018 at 12:33 AM (#5726978)
I like this nominated above.

Riverfront Park
   46. Nasty Nate Posted: August 15, 2018 at 09:08 AM (#5727043)
Busch Stadium is also a recycled name from an ash tray stadium. Apparently only the White Sox get to rename their baseball field in this region of the country.

The current iteration feels more like "Riverfront Stadium" than the old ballpark, since the old one was enclosed and the new one has a clear view of the Ohio.
Fair enough. I'm on board.
   47. Steve Parris, Je t'aime Posted: August 15, 2018 at 09:29 AM (#5727061)
Not to distract too much, but isn't GAB and the Bengals stadium viewed as one of the worst financial deals for a city in pro sports? Hard to quantify these things.

All the more reason to vote for Porkopolis Park!
   48. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: August 15, 2018 at 11:13 AM (#5727122)
A local can chime in on how assiduously people include the "Smale" tacked on the front, but the adjacent public park that encompasses the site of the old stadium is Riverfront Park, which is why I pivoted to Field or Grounds at the top of the thread.
   49. Bote Man the walk-off king Posted: August 15, 2018 at 12:20 PM (#5727185)
John McSherry Memorial Field.
   50. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: August 15, 2018 at 01:26 PM (#5727229)
Riverfront Ballpark with Porkopolis Park as my #2.

I have yet to meet anyone else who attended games at Crosley Field and GABP but not Riverfront Stadium.
   51. TDF didn't lie, he just didn't remember Posted: August 16, 2018 at 10:19 AM (#5727745)
Come on. Great American Ball Park, even if it is named for the insurance company, is the greatest name for a stadium/arena in all of sports.

The only downside is if/when the sponsorship deal ends, they'll have to change the name of the place. Of course, that deal ends in 2033, by which time the park will obviously be worn out beyond repair.
   52. RoyalFlush Posted: August 16, 2018 at 11:40 AM (#5727863)
The Big Red Machine Shed
   53. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: August 16, 2018 at 11:42 AM (#5727866)
Great American Ball Park ... is the greatest name for a stadium/arena in all of sports.

I suppose in the sense that it includes the word "great," and to my knowledge there is no stadium using "greater" or "greatest." Otherwise, you've got paired adjectives intended to be dully positive while evoking nothing specific. It's basically a dead ringer for Great Northern Park, which people voted for grudgingly only out of distaste for Target Field. Except that was better because it didn't also include the self-consciously old-timey contrivance.
   54. Perry Posted: August 16, 2018 at 12:06 PM (#5727899)
Riverfront is perfect. Just use Park instead of Stadium. Riverfront Park.


Bingo. This is the winner for me. That or Riverfront Ball Park.
   55. Man o' Schwar Posted: August 16, 2018 at 12:13 PM (#5727912)
If we're keeping Pete around, I might recommend the Rose Garden.
   56. Nasty Nate Posted: August 16, 2018 at 12:14 PM (#5727913)
I suppose in the sense that it includes the word "great," and to my knowledge there is no stadium using "greater" or "greatest." Otherwise, you've got paired adjectives intended to be dully positive while evoking nothing specific.
True. Also it's a boring cliche to name something "American ______" when you can't think of anything good for a name/title.
   57. Steve Parris, Je t'aime Posted: August 16, 2018 at 01:17 PM (#5728008)
"Great American" also invokes nothing about Cincinnati. One thing I've liked about this exercise is the effort to reflect something local and distinct. We've had some good arguments about what should be considered local, like in the Colorado and Washington threads.

Great Northern Park might've been a tad generic, but it at least makes sense for a park in Minnesota. Great American Ballpark would fit for any franchise save for Toronto.
   58. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: August 16, 2018 at 04:13 PM (#5728223)
If we're keeping Pete around, I might recommend the Rose Garden.


There is a Rose Garden on premises, on the spot where hit #4192 landed.
   59. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: August 16, 2018 at 04:17 PM (#5728227)
I can't seem to avoid 90+ degree games, pretty much anytime.


There is a window from about May 1-15, and, the 2nd half of September when the weather isn't miserable during the season. Before May, it is usually cold and raining. From the middle of may until the middle of september, it is terrible humidity and once into June, hot as hell.
   60. Bote Man the walk-off king Posted: August 16, 2018 at 04:45 PM (#5728257)
There is a Rose Garden on premises, on the spot where hit #4192 landed.

I hear they found a way to synthesize Schottzie's poo to keep it fertilized as it always was back in the day.

Also: While we're suggesting name changes, I REALLY wish they'd change the spelling of their city's name. It needs only 2 Ns, but 2 Ts, like I keep misspelling it! It should be Cincinatti, damnit!
   61. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: August 16, 2018 at 07:51 PM (#5728402)
It needs only 2 Ns, but 2 Ts, like I keep misspelling it! It should be Cincinatti, damnit!


The name has been spelled that way for at least 2500 years. Maybe you should just learn how to spell! :-) Cincinnatus
   62. Man o' Schwar Posted: August 16, 2018 at 09:38 PM (#5728525)
There is a Rose Garden on premises, on the spot where hit #4192 landed.

Well there we go. (I'm picturing this as a garden in the middle of the outfield, though I guess maybe they reconfigured things when they built the new park...)
   63. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: August 17, 2018 at 08:37 AM (#5728688)
Well there we go. (I'm picturing this as a garden in the middle of the outfield, though I guess maybe they reconfigured things when they built the new park...)


That would be cool, but, no. :-) GABP was built right next to Riverfront. The outer buildings (Reds HOF, ticket offices, etc. are located on what was the field at Riverfront. The rose garden is out near the street next to the stadium. The road being built after Riverfront was imploded.
   64. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: August 18, 2018 at 03:47 PM (#5729340)
Cincinnatus

Should borrow Capitoline Grounds from Brooklyn.
   65. QLE Posted: August 20, 2018 at 05:14 AM (#5730050)
Great American Ballpark would fit for any franchise save for Toronto.


That and, if anything, it might be most appropriate for a baseball stadium in Newark, should we wish to tip our hats to one of its favorite son's novels.

Of the names suggested so far, I like Palace of the Fans best. If we want ones that have never been used:

-Taft Grounds

-Sausage Field

-Fort Washington Park

-Ohio Bend Stadium

And, as a side note, it is a shame that it isn't closer to either Gamblers Row or the Pyrotechnic Gardens.
   66. Omineca Greg Posted: August 20, 2018 at 08:06 AM (#5730063)
Pay tribute to Bootsy with Psychoticbumpschool

OR

Not as funky, but more explicitly about Cincinnati, Cincinatti Fatback

OR

WARNING: CONTAINS OHIO PLAYERS ALBUM COVER ART, NSFW O-H-I-O

Note to nomination committee: Those are all just so darn funky, I know you'll be tempted to nominate all three. But don't do that, you'll just be splitting the precious funk vote. I would go with Bootsy myself, but I'll leave it in your able hands...
   67. . . . . . . Posted: August 23, 2018 at 08:18 AM (#5732131)
Continuing my strong belief that you guys are doing it wrong and that ballparks should be named after iconically rich owners/families and/or an iconic local business, which is how ballparks were named before the modern contrivance of ‘branding’.

I would name this Pampers Field.

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