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Tuesday, May 15, 2018

Taking Back the Ballparks - New York Yankees

Ah, perhaps the toughest entry of all for me to come up with, given how I place the Yankees just above Pol Pot and one spot below You Tube stars on my hierarchy of historical malevolence, and that’s only because the Yankees have slipped down a few spaces after the nice anti-bullying video they recently did.

Yankee Stadium III is that rare new park that seems to be least appreciated by the fans of the club, particularly in comparison with the facility it replaced. From what I can tell, it tends to do better on rankings from non-Yankee partisans. 

The name has been a constant, from the place that George Herman had a hand in constructing through the 1970s renovation that maintained the old footprint through the newer place located nearby. It’s not terribly original, but it’s also hard to imagine it being called anything else. Hell, if Yankee fans at BTF are representative of the fanbase as a whole, the bigger question isn’t whether the name is good enough for the park, but whether the ballyard is good enough to be called Yankee Stadium.

Tomorrow: The Mile High Club

Ballpark History

Built: 2009

Capacity: 47,309

Name: Yankee Stadium 2009-present.

Other ballparks used by club in its current city: Yankee Stadium I (version 2) 1975-2008; Shea Stadium 1973-74; Yankee Stadium I 1923-1973; Polo Grounds 1913-22; Hilltop Park, 1903-12. Stadium also used as home for Major League Soccer’s New York FC.

Distinctive Features: Monument Park; the moats; roof frieze; exterior of Indiana limestone (my Hoosier pride showing); all those damn pennants. 


Ballpark Highlights:

In the first season of the new park, the Yankees appeared on their way to a Subway Series loss to the crosstown Mets when Alex Rodriguez popped up with two on and two out in the bottom of the ninth. However, Luis Castillo dropped the can of corn, giving the Yanks a 9-8 victory.

Later that year, short-rest starter Andy Pettitte extended his record for most career postseason victories to 18 in a 7-3 win over Philadelphia, giving the club its 27th World Series title.

In 2010, Alex Rodriguez homered off poor-spelling Blue Jays pitcher Shawn Marcum for his 600th career dinger, becoming the youngest to join the club. Baseball, Bud Selig and Biogenesis made sure he never reached 700.

In 2011, Derek Jeter became the second player to homer for his 3,000th hit (following equally unlikely candidate Wade Boggs). Icky Yankee mouthpiece Randy Levine strong-armed a fan out of the historic baseball.

One month later, Curtis Granderson hit an eighth-inning grand slam off Oakland’s Bruce Billings. It was the third Yankee slam in the team’s 22-9 victory, the only time in major league history a team had three homers with the bases loaded in the same game.

Teammates Pettitte and Jeter lifted Mariano Rivera with two outs in the eighth inning in the future Hall of Famer’s final game, culminating the first of back-to-back long farewell tours for Yankee greats.

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   1. Jose is an Absurd Doubles Machine Posted: May 15, 2018 at 10:15 AM (#5672548)
Babe Ruth Stadium - If anyone deserves a stadium named after him it's The Babe and unlike most baseball parks (h/t George Carlin) this genuinely is a "stadium." However, it is NOT Yankee Stadium. We've effectively had two of those and this is not that place.
   2. SoSH U at work Posted: May 15, 2018 at 10:26 AM (#5672566)
However, it is NOT Yankee Stadium. We've effectively had two of those and this is not that place.


As I mentioned, I think that's the only real question with this entry, and how it differs from every previous (and future) installment: Is the park worthy of being called YS?

   3. Fernigal McGunnigle Posted: May 15, 2018 at 10:49 AM (#5672579)
I think that if it doesn't deserve to be called YS, it certainly doesn't deserve to be called Babe Ruth Stadium. Babe already built a house, and this ain't it.
   4. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: May 15, 2018 at 10:53 AM (#5672586)
after the nice anti-bullying video they recently did.
Was it called "We're the real victims here?"
   5. SoSH U at work Posted: May 15, 2018 at 10:57 AM (#5672591)
Was it called "We're the real victims here?"


No, that was the Yankee Redneck anti-bullying spot.

   6. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: May 15, 2018 at 11:01 AM (#5672594)
I miss Yankee Stadium. New place sucks.
   7. SoSH U at work Posted: May 15, 2018 at 11:06 AM (#5672597)
New place sucks


Is this our first nominee?

   8. Stormy JE Posted: May 15, 2018 at 11:09 AM (#5672600)
The House That Cody Ransom Built?
   9. BDC Posted: May 15, 2018 at 11:15 AM (#5672603)
I associate the old Yankee Stadium with Bob Sheppard more than anyone else – though that still leaves the problem of whether the new place is good enough to be called Sheppard Stadium.
   10. Jose is an Absurd Doubles Machine Posted: May 15, 2018 at 11:20 AM (#5672604)
Is this our first nominee?


Ahem.
   11. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: May 15, 2018 at 11:22 AM (#5672607)
One Percent Park.
   12. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: May 15, 2018 at 11:24 AM (#5672610)
Sorry, but whatever you think of the Yankees or the park itself, it's still Yankee Stadium.
   13. JJ1986 Posted: May 15, 2018 at 11:28 AM (#5672613)
I generally go with Yankee Stadium 3.
   14. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: May 15, 2018 at 11:40 AM (#5672618)
Sorry, but whatever you think of the Yankees or the park itself, it's still Yankee Stadium.

No. The thing they knocked down was Yankee Stadium. This can be Yankee Stadium #2 (or #3), or New Yankee Stadium, or Yankee Stadium Jr., or the House that Greed built, but it can't be Yankee Stadium. We had one of those, and it's gone.
   15. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: May 15, 2018 at 11:44 AM (#5672621)
the House that Greed built

Second!
   16. catomi01 Posted: May 15, 2018 at 11:57 AM (#5672635)
I associate the old Yankee Stadium with Bob Sheppard more than anyone else – though that still leaves the problem of whether the new place is good enough to be called Sheppard Stadium.


Sheppard's Fields.
   17. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: May 15, 2018 at 12:02 PM (#5672639)
The House that the G**damn Budshovik Conspiracy Is Trying to Tear Down and Give to the Marlins.
   18. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: May 15, 2018 at 12:04 PM (#5672640)
Sorry, but whatever you think of the Yankees or the park itself, it's still Yankee Stadium.

No. The thing they knocked down was Yankee Stadium. This can be Yankee Stadium #2 (or #3), or New Yankee Stadium, or Yankee Stadium Jr., or the House that Greed built, but it can't be Yankee Stadium. We had one of those, and it's gone


Get back to me after you find a single Yankees fan outside this thread who (a) calls the current park anything but Yankee Stadium, or (b) wants to change the name to anything else. All you're engaging in is semantical nitpicking.
   19. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: May 15, 2018 at 12:05 PM (#5672642)
Get back to me after you find a single Yankees fan outside this thread who (a) calls the current park anything but Yankee Stadium, or (b) wants to change the name to anything else. All you're engaging in is semantical nitpicking.

Why should we care?

The current park is an aesthetic disgrace, and a ridiculous boondoggle. We should call it out for what it is. A gigantic waste of taxpayer, and Yankee fans money.

If it burned down (with no one inside) I would pop a bottle of champagne.
   20. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: May 15, 2018 at 12:20 PM (#5672653)
I gotta nominate the current name, even if the stadium itself is a monument to the second gilded age. #### those moats.
   21. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: May 15, 2018 at 12:21 PM (#5672654)
Other nomination: Steinbrenner's Folly.
   22. I am going to be Frank Posted: May 15, 2018 at 12:26 PM (#5672660)
I hate this stadium. It is expensive, sterile with no character about it. Food options are expensive and terrible. I like walk around the whole concourse when I got to a new stadium. You can't even do that here as the main concourse becomes a narrow hallway once you get behind center field. As a Yankee fan, the only time I will ever consider going back is if I get offered free seats, and then they probably have to be pretty good seats.
   23. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: May 15, 2018 at 12:35 PM (#5672665)
Why should we care?

Whhaaaa? Yeah, what fans of the team think matters. Their voice should be heard and paid attention to. The entire point of this exercise is "taking back the ballparks" by letting the fans name them. It's all baseball fans participating, not just fans of the team, but if we're going to ignore the thoughts of fans of the team, well then why not just let corporate sponsors pick the names for all of the stadiums?

New Yankee Stadium works for me. I don't have any really alternate options.

Babe Ruth Field? Sounds good, but as noted above - -this isn't the House Ruth Built. Just seems weird from that perspective.
   24. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: May 15, 2018 at 12:36 PM (#5672666)
I gotta nominate the current name, even if the stadium itself is a monument to the second gilded age

Gilded Age Grounds.

But I stand by New Yankee Stadium.
   25. Panik on the streets of London (Trout! Trout!) Posted: May 15, 2018 at 12:36 PM (#5672667)
The House that the G**damn Budshovik Conspiracy Is Trying to Tear Down and Give to the Marlins.


This is my favorite.
   26. Panik on the streets of London (Trout! Trout!) Posted: May 15, 2018 at 12:39 PM (#5672672)
Aura Park at Mystique Yards
   27. Rusty Priske Posted: May 15, 2018 at 12:55 PM (#5672678)
Yankee Stadium.

Any other name would sound ridiculous.

Yes, it is the 3rd one by that name... so? Was the 2nd one any less 'real' than the 1st one?
   28. bunyon Posted: May 15, 2018 at 01:05 PM (#5672682)
Was the 2nd one any less 'real' than the 1st one?

Right up until they tore it down. Then it became hallowed ground.
   29. SandyRiver Posted: May 15, 2018 at 01:08 PM (#5672684)
Yes, it is the 3rd one by that name... so? Was the 2nd one any less 'real' than the 1st one?

Yes, IMO. When they got serious about neutering the original asymmetry in the '70s reno (a process begun in OYS when they screened the 457 sign with TV equipment), the uniqueness factor went down by a lot. The original field dimensions were unlike any other park, and a perfect companion to the equal (though opposite) asymmetry of the rival park to the northeast.
   30. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: May 15, 2018 at 01:10 PM (#5672686)
I hate this stadium. It is expensive, sterile with no character about it. Food options are expensive and terrible. I like walk around the whole concourse when I got to a new stadium. You can't even do that here as the main concourse becomes a narrow hallway once you get behind center field. As a Yankee fan, the only time I will ever consider going back is if I get offered free seats, and then they probably have to be pretty good seats.

I wouldn't want to make this a point about anything else, but when it comes to being a Yankee fan and wanting to enjoy Yankee Stadium without having to plan your trip way in advance or pay insane prices, you were probably born several decades too late. That ship sailed long before 2009.

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Get back to me after you find a single Yankees fan outside this thread who (a) calls the current park anything but Yankee Stadium, or (b) wants to change the name to anything else. All you're engaging in is semantical nitpicking.

Why should we care?

The current park is an aesthetic disgrace, and a ridiculous boondoggle. We should call it out for what it is. A gigantic waste of taxpayer, and Yankee fans money.

If it burned down (with no one inside) I would pop a bottle of champagne.


Sounds like my sentiments about the White House, only with all its current political occupants locked in the basement.

P.S. Neither of us are cranks.
   31. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: May 15, 2018 at 01:24 PM (#5672694)
Yes, it is the 3rd one by that name... so? Was the 2nd one any less 'real' than the 1st one?

Yes, IMO. When they got serious about neutering the original asymmetry in the '70s reno (a process begun in OYS when they screened the 457 sign with TV equipment), the uniqueness factor went down by a lot. The original field dimensions were unlike any other park, and a perfect companion to the equal (though opposite) asymmetry of the rival park to the northeast.

All true, and all good points. All three Yankee Stadiums have (or had) the "mystique and aura" associated with winning, but the original one was the only one that was truly unique. Other than the symmetrical Municipal Stadium in Cleveland and the converted football stadium known as the LA Coliseum, no other baseball site has ever had the capacity to hold 81,891 fans, and no park since the dead ball era had such comically short foul lines along with such a forbidding power alley.** Opposing players who played most of their games in parks with half Yankee Stadium's capacity and a fraction of its crowds couldn't help but feel somewhat intimidated by the whole experience.

** The Polo Grounds had an even longer CF distance, but pull hitting RH batters didn't have anything like Death Valley to contend with.
   32. Nasty Nate Posted: May 15, 2018 at 01:31 PM (#5672697)
A lot of the asymmetry survived the 70's renovation, but then they pretty much eliminated Death Valley with new walls in the 80's.
   33. The Yankee Clapper Posted: May 15, 2018 at 01:35 PM (#5672704)
After you folks are done with stadiums, will there be dozens of threads renaming the players? #The Decline.
   34. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: May 15, 2018 at 02:10 PM (#5672734)
NY/NJ has built three very uninspiring stadiums/ballparks, I think I'm most disappointed in 'NYS' of whatever this is called.
   35. Blastin Posted: May 15, 2018 at 02:12 PM (#5672738)
I am the only person who likes the new one more than the previous one, mostly because peeing at the new one is way better.

But I know I'm weird.

Just call it Macombs Dam Field (it's the name of the nearby bridge and the athletic complex across the street/where the old stadium was). It's a really nice little complex, I enjoy going there before and after the Bronx 10 mile race every September.
   36. Lassus Posted: May 15, 2018 at 02:27 PM (#5672754)
Speer Stadium
   37. Lassus Posted: May 15, 2018 at 02:31 PM (#5672761)
I am the only person who likes the new one more than the previous one, mostly because peeing at the new one is way better.

To this day I find it weird that people placed the last one up so high against Shea, because the hallways with the rust and exposed pipe and the urine smell from those old bathrooms were not in any way better than the Mets house.
   38. Blastin Posted: May 15, 2018 at 02:34 PM (#5672766)
To this day I find it weird that people placed the last one up so high against Shea, because the hallways with the rust and exposed pipe and the urine smell from those old bathrooms were not in any way better than the Mets house.


The new one is a taxpayer nightmare, but all the new ones are, so that's not really a Yankee thing.

The old one was kind of gross, which is usually what people mean by "character."

Yeah, it's sterile, and very of its era like the mostly glass building I live in. But it's actually possible to walk around, and I love the giant TV in the main area, because I have stopped there to watch the end of many games before running to the subway.
   39. Ziggy's screen name Posted: May 15, 2018 at 02:38 PM (#5672772)
Serious proposal: New Yankee Stadium.

Less serious proposals: The Death Star. Gen. Tarkan Memorial Field. The House that Vader Built.
   40. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: May 15, 2018 at 04:58 PM (#5672939)
When I've been to New Yankee, I've just had this bizarre feeling like I was not quite myself and I wasn't quite where I was. The Uncanny Valley on a massive scale.
   41. SandyRiver Posted: May 15, 2018 at 04:59 PM (#5672940)
Opposing players who played most of their games in parks with half Yankee Stadium's capacity and a fraction of its crowds couldn't help but feel somewhat intimidated by the whole experience.

I've never been near NYS - is its façade as far above the field (and appearing to hang over the field) as OYS. That sound-amplifying chasm surely helped with the intimidation factor, not only for opponents but for Yankee rooks. Other stadia may be as tall - I think Shea was a contender but its upper deck was far more horizontally distant from the action than the 3rd deck at YS - but I can't think of any with the "breathing down your neck" aspect.
   42. AT-AT at bat@AT&T Posted: May 15, 2018 at 07:16 PM (#5673004)
Battlestadium Bronxlactica !
   43. ajnrules Posted: May 15, 2018 at 08:25 PM (#5673064)
I support Yankee Stadium III. And also suggest The House that Jeter Built as an official nickname
   44. . . . . . . Posted: May 15, 2018 at 10:20 PM (#5673172)
It’s a sterile, poorly architected ########, but it’s still Yankee Stadium. Fwiw I think the ultra close RF alley in new Yankee Stadium is actually kind of distinctive, or maybe you think Didi Gregorious suddenly became a ####### slugger.
   45. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: May 15, 2018 at 10:35 PM (#5673184)
ridiculous boondoggle


Snapper nails it!

Ridiculous Boondoggle Stadium.

Jokes aside, I can't see any alternative do just plain, old Yankee Stadium.
   46. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: May 15, 2018 at 10:42 PM (#5673192)
I've never been near NYS - is its façade as far above the field (and appearing to hang over the field) as OYS. That sound-amplifying chasm surely helped with the intimidation factor, not only for opponents but for Yankee rooks. Other stadia may be as tall - I think Shea was a contender but its upper deck was far more horizontally distant from the action than the 3rd deck at YS - but I can't think of any with the "breathing down your neck" aspect.

That's because all stadiums built since the beginning of the first expansion era have been cantilevered, with recessed upper decks, whereas the original Yankee Stadium and other stadiums of that era had their upper decks supported by poles, making for a far more vertical appearance. As a result, you have (for instance) the first row of the upper deck in the new White Sox Park, whatever the hell its name is, being farther away from home plate than the last row of the upper deck in the original Comiskey Park. And in the original Yankee Stadium, the upper deck was almost directly above the lower deck, whereas in the new Yankee Stadium it's set way back from the lower deck. All that makes it even less likely that a fair ball (or any ball) will ever be hit out of the Yankee Stadium of today.
   47. I am going to be Frank Posted: May 15, 2018 at 10:45 PM (#5673199)
I wouldn't want to make this a point about anything else, but when it comes to being a Yankee fan and wanting to enjoy Yankee Stadium without having to plan your trip way in advance or pay insane prices, you were probably born several decades too late. That ship sailed long before 2009.


I've been to games at YS2 and this new one. YS2 wasn't cheap but it wasn't bad. Even as my ability to pay has increased I've found that I'm unwilling to spend for that experience. I've taken the subway up from Manhattan, paid for cheaper parking across the river and even parked in the old lots right next to Yankee Stadium. Now it's just not even worth it. Since the stadium is so big, the cheap seats are really bad - the mezzanine is really high up and the bleachers are so far behind the outfield.

Citi Field has much better food options and it seems to be a fan friendlier atmosphere.

I consider myself a capitalist. I get that they want to make money. IMO you can do that and not alienate everyone but the diehards and the uber monied elite.
   48. . . . . . . Posted: May 16, 2018 at 06:47 AM (#5673280)
TBF I am both a diehard and an monied elite and they alienated the #### out of me, so it didn’t even do that job well. It’s just not a great place to see a game, even from the expensive seats.
   49. PreservedFish Posted: May 16, 2018 at 07:02 AM (#5673282)
Always been partial to The Mausoleum.
   50. Rough Carrigan Posted: May 16, 2018 at 07:26 AM (#5673286)
How about "Oligarch Park"?
   51. KronicFatigue Posted: May 16, 2018 at 07:50 AM (#5673290)
YS2 was my mecca as a kid, but even more so as a young adult. Coming from NJ, tailgating in the far parking lot off the GWB by the water, and sitting in the bleachers was perfection. I'm unsure which of my complaints of YS3 are legit, or just based on nostalgia.

1) Paid by taxpayers - disgusts me, but every stadium does it.
2) Not as loud - the design doesn't trap in sound as great. The playoff atmosphere is lost, but I do wonder if the corporate nature of playoff tickets adds to that.
3) The Moat - Physically separating the rich-people's seats is gross. Always felt a thrill as a kid sneaking down to better seats late in games. Though again, it seems like more and more stadiums put more effort into preventing those upgrades now.
4) The big cement feel to it - Citi feels more open when you walk around and you can see the actual field while walking. YS3 feels like gigantic hallways, but the free flow of foot traffic is nice. You can get in, out, and round very easily.
5) food options - nothing great, and overly pricey, but YS2 had same complaints
6) Obstructed views in the bleachers, and less vertical awesomeness of upperdeck seats. Definitely felt a twinge of terror when I'd walk up to the upper deck after a solid tailgate. Being right on top of the action added to the loudness too.
7) Worse than Citi Field. That really rubs me the wrong way that both teams built new stadiums in the same year and Mets clearly >> Yankees.

I'm not sure if it's a bad stadium, but it really feels like an unnecessary one. I don't know what kind of money it generates in luxury nonsense that the old one couldn't, but I would have much preferred the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" mentality.

   52. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: May 16, 2018 at 08:33 AM (#5673293)
I wouldn't want to make this a point about anything else, but when it comes to being a Yankee fan and wanting to enjoy Yankee Stadium without having to plan your trip way in advance or pay insane prices, you were probably born several decades too late. That ship sailed long before 2009.

I've been to games at YS2 and this new one. YS2 wasn't cheap but it wasn't bad. Even as my ability to pay has increased I've found that I'm unwilling to spend for that experience. I've taken the subway up from Manhattan, paid for cheaper parking across the river and even parked in the old lots right next to Yankee Stadium. Now it's just not even worth it. Since the stadium is so big, the cheap seats are really bad - the mezzanine is really high up and the bleachers are so far behind the outfield.


I went to about 15 or 20 games at the original Yankee Stadium and about the same number at the 1976 version. The value was much better at the original version because of the number of cheap walkup-only general admission tickets that let you sit behind the plate. That allowed for spontaneity in a way that no current stadium does, where all seats other than the bleachers are reserved, and where "big" games are often sold out way in advance.

That could make for a difference in atmosphere in a way you have to think about for a second to understand. In today's Yankee Stadium, you can have a "sellout" crowd of 54,000 with many thousands of empty seats, because the crowd is based upon ticket sales. But a similar crowd of 54,000 in the original Yankee Stadium would've meant that there were actually 54,000 people in the stands, because crowds were counted at the turnstiles. And it also meant that for a regular season game, about 40,000 or 45,000 of those tickets were sold on the day of the game. That's what I mean by the spontaneity factor. It made for a certain amount of inconvenience, but it also allowed the average fan a much better opportunity to buy a ticket for a "big" game at face value than he'd ever have today.

I've never been to the current Stadium, but on TV the atmosphere doesn't come across as all that different from the second version when there's an actual big crowd on hand.** The dimensions are of course way different from the first version, but other than me and a relatively small number of fellow geezers like Clapper, who's even going to remember much about a stadium that closed 45 years ago? The RF power alley is easier to reach, but if you compare its distances to their 1988-2008 counterparts, it's likely that that's largely due to the differing wind currents than to the actual distances from home plate.

** Although it's always disconcerting to see so many unoccupied seats behind the plate when you know that most of those seats are being counted as part of the crowd. I don't remember seeing anything like that in Fenway, where the box seats may be similarly priced for the upper 1% but where that upper 1% seems much more engaged in the game.
   53. SandyRiver Posted: May 16, 2018 at 09:12 AM (#5673303)
My Yankee Stadium experiences began in '57 or '58 (probably the former) and ended in 1968, a few years before we moved to Maine, and totaled about 2 dozen games. At that 1st game, we thought we'd seen Mickey put one over the roof in straightaway left. From our seats near the top of the 3rd deck behind 1B, we tracked the ball rising, saw it briefly silhouetted against the night sky, then lost it, which elicited lots of chatter from our part of the park. (We'd have been smarter to look at the folks in left. They had a much better view, and had it gone out, they'd have been screaming and pointing.) Still a monster blast, landing halfway up that 3rd deck.

I always thought that the "easiest" way to hit one out would be over the bullpens in right - still would need 450+ but not the skyscraper shot needed to clear the façade nor the 500+ needed in left.
   54. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: May 16, 2018 at 09:31 AM (#5673307)
1) Paid by taxpayers - disgusts me, but every stadium does it.


Partially paid by taxpayers. IIRC the Yankees' contribution to the construction was larger than any other franchise had contributed to their ballpark.
   55. . . . . . . Posted: May 16, 2018 at 09:41 AM (#5673312)
I went to about 15 or 20 games at the original Yankee Stadium and about the same number at the 1976 version. The value was much better at the original version because of the number of cheap walkup-only general admission tickets that let you sit behind the plate. That allowed for spontaneity in a way that no current stadium does, where all seats other than the bleachers are reserved, and where "big" games are often sold out way in advance.


Those great quasi GA seats behind the plate still existed in YS2 but they weren't sold walkup - there was a number you had to 'be given' that you could call day of game to buy. AFAIK, that tradition was killed with the inauguration of YS3, though.

Although it's always disconcerting to see so many unoccupied seats behind the plate when you know that most of those seats are being counted as part of the crowd. I don't remember seeing anything like that in Fenway, where the box seats may be similarly priced for the upper 1% but where that upper 1% seems much more engaged in the game.


That's because the corporate seats at YS aren't really tickets for the upper 1% to watch game, they're tickets for the client-entertainment experience which includes the bar, the food, etc. I know folks who go to the game with clients and maybe spend 3 innings tops actually in the seats because they're really there to do business and that can be easier in the lounge/club area. At Fenway seats like that are upstairs and the seats near the plate are targeted for a market that's actually intending to watch the game. But, like, no one spends $500 for a ticket to a shitty regular season Wednesday night game against the Blue Jays with the intention of actually watching a game, because even for a 1%er Titan of Industry that's just stupid expensive and not worth it. You pay $500 because its Other People's Money and you might win business worth $500K.
   56. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: May 16, 2018 at 09:43 AM (#5673314)
The huge ripoff to the taxpayers plus the city's sports history can be both be honored with the name Debits Field.
   57. Nasty Nate Posted: May 16, 2018 at 09:48 AM (#5673316)
That's because the corporate seats at YS aren't really tickets for the upper 1% to watch game, they're tickets for the client-entertainment experience which includes the bar, the food, etc. I know folks who go to the game with clients and maybe spend 3 innings tops actually in the seats because they're really there to do business and that can be easier in the lounge/club area
I've said this before, but it's baffling that they (and other teams building new stadiums) didn't anticipate that the view from the CF camera is really important for the perception of a park. If they had just had a small high-density section in the area that is visible for every pitch and took the easy steps to make it remain filled, they could have moated elsewhere to their heart's content and no one would really care, and the stadium would have a more exciting reputation.
   58. KronicFatigue Posted: May 16, 2018 at 01:41 PM (#5673526)
I've said this before, but it's baffling that they (and other teams building new stadiums) didn't anticipate that the view from the CF camera is really important for the perception of a park. If they had just had a small high-density section in the area that is visible for every pitch and took the easy steps to make it remain filled, they could have moated elsewhere to their heart's content and no one would really care, and the stadium would have a more exciting reputation.


I mostly agree with you, but there's a status element to right behind home plate. Even if a team excluded the restaurant/included food/lounge from that tiny section behind home plate, they still might be used for the corporate suits who don't have a real interest in the game.

But I still mostly agree with you. There's gotta be some way to fix the problem.
   59. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: May 16, 2018 at 01:49 PM (#5673535)
One way would be to institute a policy of declaring seats that have been empty through 3 innings were first come first served after that. If nothing else, it'd make for some interesting discussions on talk radio about whether the Supreme Court would rule that Tickets Are People.
   60. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: May 16, 2018 at 01:49 PM (#5673536)
I've said this before, but it's baffling that they (and other teams building new stadiums) didn't anticipate that the view from the CF camera is really important for the perception of a park. If they had just had a small high-density section in the area that is visible for every pitch and took the easy steps to make it remain filled, they could have moated elsewhere to their heart's content and no one would really care, and the stadium would have a more exciting reputation.
It's like when bald guys get hair plugs, they don't fill in the back and leave the front hairline bare and sparse, because what would be the point of that?
   61. Nasty Nate Posted: May 16, 2018 at 01:58 PM (#5673546)
I mostly agree with you, but there's a status element to right behind home plate. Even if a team excluded the restaurant/included food/lounge from that tiny section behind home plate, they still might be used for the corporate suits who don't have a real interest in the game.
That's true, but even if the people are corporate suits, a mostly-filled section of normal-width seats looks much better than a half-filled section of extra-wide lounge chairs. A good portion of the status element of those seats is being on TV, and you have to be in your seat to be on TV.
   62. . . . . . . Posted: May 16, 2018 at 06:47 PM (#5673827)

I mostly agree with you, but there's a status element to right behind home plate. Even if a team excluded the restaurant/included food/lounge from that tiny section behind home plate, they still might be used for the corporate suits who don't have a real interest in the game.


Disagree. Sure, you'd get rich people in those seats, but there are a buttload of rich-as-#### diehard Yankee fans. Those folks may do awkward middle-aged-white-guy high fives, but they're into the game. Watch a broadcast from Fenway for an example. The issue at Yankee stadium is that the home plate seats have been marketed not as a vanity purchase for the more-money-than-god Yankee fan, but as a business entertainment product. And if you're taking a client the importance is the opportunity to sit in the seats, not in the actual sitting, especially since you or the client might not even be that big of a fan.
   63. JJ1986 Posted: May 16, 2018 at 07:00 PM (#5673833)
Dbl
   64. JJ1986 Posted: May 16, 2018 at 07:01 PM (#5673834)
If you and your client sit in the seats, you might find that you're next to a poor person who didn't pay face value for them. Can't have that.
   65. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: May 17, 2018 at 08:37 AM (#5674009)
If you and your client sit in the seats, you might find that you're next to a poor person who didn't pay face value for them. Can't have that.

Can't the Yankees buy a few hundred lifelike robots who can be put in the empty seats and programmed to stand up and cheer or boo at the appropriate times? Even better, dress them all up in military uniforms and have them sing along with Kate Smith.
   66. Jose is an Absurd Doubles Machine Posted: May 17, 2018 at 01:13 PM (#5674253)
I haven't read the whole thread so apologies if this has already been discussed. Part of the problem is that NYS opened just after the market crash and bailouts. There were a bunch of bankers who had access to the seats who were reportedly told outright "do not sit in the seats." It wasn't a matter of not spending the money, they already had spent it, the issue was they didn't want the front page of the Daily News to have a picture of Joe Banker enjoying a Yankee game in a thousand dollar seat with a headline "this is where your tax money goes!"

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