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Monday, August 21, 2017

Taking Back the Ballparks - San Diego Padres

Part 3: San Diego Padres
Ooh, It’s the new Petco Thread.
The Padres have an interesting history, in the fact they have so little of it. Other than Mr. Padre, Tony Gwynn, it’s a franchise short on long-time Pads. Eric Show, he of the John Birch Society membership, Pete Rose’s Ty-breaking hit and a drug-related demise, remains the club’s all-time win leader, and its retired numbers list includes a famous, and widely loathed, Dodger.
The ballpark, by most accounts, is among the league’s best. It replaced a stadium once named for a sportswriter, which was a nice feature for this former member of the frat. Oddly, it was the original park that underwent multiple name changes, from San Diego to Jack Murphy to Qualcomm, and for one night in December 2011, Snapdragon Stadium. However, that was when the building’s sole tenant was the now-departed Chargers.
Petco is the only name the new place has ever owned. Will inertia be enough to keep it?
Perhaps Robinred could come out of hibernation to help us out here. Eh, we’ll probably just get a Gambling Rent return.

Ballpark History

Built: 2004
Capacity: 40,209
Name: Petco Park (2004-present)
Other ballparks used by club in its current city: Qualcomm (San Diego, Jack Murphy) Stadium 1967-2003. 
Distinctive Features: The Western Metal Supply Co. building in the left field corner; a ship’s whistle from the USS Ronald Reagan sounds upon a Padre homer or victory; it’s located in San Diego for crying out loud. What else do you need?

Ballpark Highlights:
Tony Gwynn’s San Diego State Aztecs played the first game in the park, setting an NCAA attendance record.
Japan defeated Cuba to win the first World Baseball Classic title here in 2006.
In 2007, Barry Bonds homered off Clay Hensley to tie Hank Aaron’s record for career dingers. 
San Francisco’s Tim Lincecum threw the park’s first no-hitter against the Padres in 2013. When he repeated the feat the following year at China Basin, he became the first pitcher to no-hit the same team twice since Addie Joss.
Once a year, the Padres don the sport’s worst uniforms, saluting the strong naval presence in the city by dressing as if they’re in the army.

Edit

And, by Dag’s request: the winner of the most recent naming competition: Texas Rangers - The Ballpark in Arlington.

SoSH U at work Posted: August 21, 2017 at 09:40 AM | 83 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: August 21, 2017 at 10:26 AM (#5517800)
"The Mission" is just too obvious. But it feels like it needs an adjective.
   2. villageidiom Posted: August 21, 2017 at 10:29 AM (#5517806)
Mission Field.

EDIT: Again I'm beaten because I'm looking up links. Dammit!
   3. Jose is an Absurd Doubles Machine Posted: August 21, 2017 at 10:33 AM (#5517810)
I'll offer two suggestions one of which I suspect will be better received than the other;

1. Tony Gwynn Field (frankly this feels like a no brainer).

2. Lucchino Park - I know Larry Lucchino is the anti-christ to a lot of folks but he's been instrumental in a couple of the new parks (OPACY and Petco) and some much needed renovations at the oldest MLB park in the country (Fenway) and as I understand it is pretty popular in San Diego.
   4. BDC Posted: August 21, 2017 at 10:40 AM (#5517815)
The old PCL park, where the old Padres played from the mid-1930s through the late 1950s, was called Lane Field, after the franchise's first owner. In 1958 they moved to Westgate Park, which sounds like a shopping mall, which apparently is what went up on its site after they built Jack Murphy in the late 1960s. I wish these names were more inspiring, because the PCL heritage is important.
   5. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: August 21, 2017 at 10:47 AM (#5517824)
If I had a time machine, I'd go back and buy the PCL Padres, build on the site of present-day SeaWorld, be first to the name Mission Bay Park, and call it a day, satisfied that I had achieved the zenith of team-location-stadium synergy.
   6. Rusty Priske Posted: August 21, 2017 at 10:56 AM (#5517836)
I just watched THe Lost World last night so I want to call it Jurassic Park, but really I second Tony Gwynn Field.
   7. BDC Posted: August 21, 2017 at 11:02 AM (#5517841)
Just a couple more gleanings from various PCL web pages: the old Padres were often not very good. But Ted Williams did play at Lane Field as a teenager. And when they became a Cleveland Indians farm club in the early '50s and integrated, they had some very good teams, including guys like Luke Easter, Minnie Minoso, and Harry Simpson.

   8. Brian C Posted: August 21, 2017 at 11:04 AM (#5517844)
The Padres are one of those teams that my whole image of the franchise changed when they moved parks. I don't think it's for the better, even though PETCO is a very fine stadium. But when I was a kid, they were occasionally good, and had good players sometimes, and they had distinctive team colors and, I dunno ... just a sense of being a consequential franchise. Now everything about them seems pretty bland aside from having a good stadium.

Anyway, I don't really have a stadium-name suggestion. It's been Petco long enough that even if they changed it - even to something non-corporate - I'd still think of it as Petco. I will merely offer up that, geographically, I associate it with the Gaslamp Quarter, although I can't turn that into a good stadium name. "Gaslamp Grounds" sounds stupid.
   9. There are no words... (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: August 21, 2017 at 11:13 AM (#5517850)
Harry Simpson.


Suitcase Field? ;-)
   10. There are no words... (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: August 21, 2017 at 11:13 AM (#5517851)
Tony Gwynn Stadium.
   11. Graham & the 15-win "ARod Vortex of suck" Posted: August 21, 2017 at 11:20 AM (#5517852)
Friar(s) Field?
   12. Jose is an Absurd Doubles Machine Posted: August 21, 2017 at 11:33 AM (#5517860)
Gaslamp Grounds


Friar(s) Field?


I don't mean this as a criticism because I'm as guilty as anyone but alliterative names seem to be the default for ordinary people naming things. I see this in various fantasy leagues I'm in, the number of alliterative names is far higher than it is in the "real" world.
   13. Graham & the 15-win "ARod Vortex of suck" Posted: August 21, 2017 at 11:46 AM (#5517866)
I don't mean this as a criticism because I'm as guilty as anyone but alliterative names seem to be the default for ordinary people naming things. I see this in various fantasy leagues I'm in, the number of alliterative names is far higher than it is in the "real" world.


Is it possible (at least with respect to ballparks) that this is due to stadiums being named for someone or something rather than for an aesthetic quality? The majority of parks today are named for corporate sponsors, so that means most or all pleasantness is out the window. With regards to other parks, many of theme were named for owners or teams rather than for aesthetics: Kauffman Stadium, Wrigley Field, Shibe Park, Griffith Stadium, Crosley Field, Yankee Stadium, etc. Some of those names are pleasant to us due to years of association in our minds, but can you imagine Loria Field, Ricketts Field, Henry Park, or Steinbrenner Stadium?

   14. Lassus Posted: August 21, 2017 at 11:49 AM (#5517869)
Is there really a need for TONY Gwynn Field or TONY Gwynn Stadium? Doesn't just Gwynn Field or Gwynn Stadium sound way better?
   15. Tom Nawrocki Posted: August 21, 2017 at 11:49 AM (#5517871)
The Mission. It's versatile and lends itself to a lot of wordplay ("Mission Impossible, Say Padres Would-Be Sluggers"), and fits beautifully with the name "Padres." After the first week or so, no one will notice that it's missing a "Park" or "Field" or "Stadium."
   16. Steve Parris, Je t'aime Posted: August 21, 2017 at 11:49 AM (#5517872)
Hoffman set the career saves record in 2006 in San Diego. Since surpassed, of course.

Also, second for The Mission.
   17. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: August 21, 2017 at 11:50 AM (#5517873)
OK, so what are some things San Diego is known for?

Sunshine Stadium (because of the great weather?)

Yeah, hopefully we can do better than that.

Outta curiosity - what won for the Rangers? I assume it's The Ballpark in Arlington, but didn't see the official note.

EDIT: Nevermind - see it now. For future note, maybe link to the previous thread at the top of the new thread for the rest of the project.
   18. LA Podcasting Hombre of Anaheim Posted: August 21, 2017 at 12:00 PM (#5517881)
Is there really a need for TONY Gwynn Field or TONY Gwynn Stadium? Doesn't just Gwynn Field or Gwynn Stadium sound way better?
Nobody wants Chris Gwynn Field.
   19. Lassus Posted: August 21, 2017 at 12:03 PM (#5517882)
I actually kinda like Sunshine Stadium.

The Mission strikes me as a meh primarily because there is another rather famous city in California with a rather well-known part of town called "the Mission". But maybe that's over-thinking.
   20. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: August 21, 2017 at 12:04 PM (#5517883)
The Nate Colbert Center

Tomb of the Unknown No-Hitter
   21. Omineca Greg Posted: August 21, 2017 at 12:17 PM (#5517893)
Friar(s) Field?


I was going to suggest "The Deep Fat Friar" as it gives love to both McDonald's and Saint Francis, and it's really hard for me to resist the triple pun, but then I looked up some images of Saint Francis, and he's never depicted as being fat. If it were only the statues, you might think it's because they were pragmatically trying to save money on the stone, but stained glass, paintings...everything really, he's always depicted as a skinny dude. So that one's out.

I find it interesting, St Francis being the Patron Saint of Animals, and the stadium being called Petco. The Prayer of Saint Francis...

Lord, make me an instrument of Your peace;
Where there is hatred, let me sow love;
Where there is injury, pardon;
Where there is doubt, faith;
Where there is despair, hope;
Where there is darkness, light;
And where there is sadness, joy.

O Divine Master,
Grant that I may not so much seek
To be consoled as to console;
To be understood, as to understand;
To be loved, as to love;
For it is in giving that we receive,
It is in pardoning that we are pardoned,
And it is in dying that we are born to Eternal Life.
Amen.


...I think is a great prayer.

Anyway, then I thought we could tie in maybe with one of the many movies set in San Diego.

"It's A Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad Stadium" was my first thought.

Or maybe, "The Danger Zone", paying tribute to Top Gun, and one of the few opportunities we're going to have to name a stadium after a Kenny Loggins song. No, "House at Pooh Corner" isn't going to ever get serious consideration, and "Playing With The Boys", while appropriate on one level, is now almost completely associated with a ripped, oiled down Tom Cruise. I consider that a minus, but I guess there's room for debate.

But I want to put in at least one that might get some traction, so I'll go with "Kumeyaay Stadium". I think California Indians seem to get forgotten, as there's already the Spanish Colonial period to deal with, and that's as far back as most people tend to think, "Do you remember when California wasn't American? Yeah, it used to be Spanish!", so just a nod of the head there to a people who would benefit from some recognition.
   22. SoSH U at work Posted: August 21, 2017 at 12:24 PM (#5517897)
EDIT: Nevermind - see it now. For future note, maybe link to the previous thread at the top of the new thread for the rest of the project.


I threw it up there in an edit.

   23. Bourbon Samurai is disturbed by bagel developments Posted: August 21, 2017 at 12:35 PM (#5517909)
those camo padres uniforms really are the worst.
   24. Der-K: downgraded to lurker Posted: August 21, 2017 at 12:41 PM (#5517914)
The Mission.
Apologies to Gwynn, who merits having stuff named after him.
Using Gaslamp I also liked.
   25. TDF, FCL Posted: August 21, 2017 at 01:00 PM (#5517929)
The Prayer of Saint Francis
Which (from all available evidence) wasn't written until more than 600 years after his death.

I cosign to the idea that The Mission is a cool name.
   26. villageidiom Posted: August 21, 2017 at 01:20 PM (#5517941)
In an homage to one of the best mascots ever, The Chicken Coop.
   27. SoSH U at work Posted: August 21, 2017 at 02:14 PM (#5517975)
Hey vi, could you send me an email?

   28. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: August 21, 2017 at 03:22 PM (#5518011)
Stupid question:

What's the significance of using Gaslamp as part of a field name for the Pads?

I know there used to be (still is?) a Padres blog with Gaslamp in its title, but that's all I know.
   29. villageidiom Posted: August 21, 2017 at 03:47 PM (#5518027)
What's the significance of using Gaslamp as part of a field name for the Pads?
Gaslamp Quarter.
   30. Man o' Schwar Posted: August 21, 2017 at 03:51 PM (#5518034)
Is there really a need for TONY Gwynn Field or TONY Gwynn Stadium? Doesn't just Gwynn Field or Gwynn Stadium sound way better?

Nobody wants Chris Gwynn Field.


I could get behind Fred Gwynn(e) Stadium.
   31. LA Podcasting Hombre of Anaheim Posted: August 21, 2017 at 04:23 PM (#5518056)
I could get behind Fred Gwynn(e) Stadium.
It's a baseball field for youths. YEEWWWW-TTTHHHH-SSSSS.
   32. Tim D Posted: August 21, 2017 at 04:25 PM (#5518058)
Been to a few games there and it is just so nice. Paradise Field. Now if they only had a team.
   33. Harold can be a fun sponge Posted: August 21, 2017 at 04:38 PM (#5518067)
"The Mission" is a little weird because that term is used to refer to the mission itself. Qualcomm Stadium is at least in Mission Valley and near the Mission, but Petco is in a different part of town. I guess Mission Park or something could work.

But there's really only one choice, and that's to name it after Tony Gwynn. Gwynn is not just Mr. Padre; he's the greatest San Diegan of all time. As many in this thread have said, the Padres are very generic and bland; Gwynn is the one truly great thing they have in their history.
   34. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: August 21, 2017 at 04:46 PM (#5518074)
he's the greatest San Diegan of all time.

Really? That's ..... actually kinda sad.
   35. LA Podcasting Hombre of Anaheim Posted: August 21, 2017 at 05:02 PM (#5518085)
There are obviously San Diegans who were more influential and impactful — Jonas Salk, anyone? — but in terms of being regarded as "Face of the City" it really is probably Tony Gwynn. The only other people I can think of are either Chargers (Seau, Tomlinson, Fouts), X-Sports guys (Tony Hawk, Shawn White), or Dr. Seuss.
   36. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: August 21, 2017 at 05:08 PM (#5518089)
Is there really a need for TONY Gwynn Field or TONY Gwynn Stadium?

No.

Doesn't just Gwynn Field or Gwynn Stadium sound way better?

Much better, preferably Gwynn Field or maybe even Gwynn Meadows.
   37. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: August 21, 2017 at 05:09 PM (#5518092)
There are obviously San Diegans who were more influential and impactful — Jonas Salk, anyone? — but in terms of being regarded as "Face of the City" it really is probably Tony Gwynn.

So no love for Show Stadium?
   38. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: August 21, 2017 at 05:15 PM (#5518098)
By WAR.....

Tony Gywnn is the best player in Padres history. Duh.

Cut him in half, and he's the two best players in Padres history.

Cut him in thirds and he's three of the best five or six* best players in history.



*(Gwynn's 68.9 becomes 23.0, 23.0, and 22.9. And Andy Ashby is at 22.9). Winfield, Hoffman, & Peavy are higher up).
   39. Harold can be a fun sponge Posted: August 21, 2017 at 05:36 PM (#5518112)
There are obviously San Diegans who were more influential and impactful — Jonas Salk, anyone? — but in terms of being regarded as "Face of the City" it really is probably Tony Gwynn. The only other people I can think of are either Chargers (Seau, Tomlinson, Fouts), X-Sports guys (Tony Hawk, Shawn White), or Dr. Seuss.

Yeah, when I say Greatest San Diegan, I mean impact on San Diego and San Diegans, not "greatest person who is from San Diego". It's still a bit hyperbolic for me to suggest Gwynn over, say, Alonzo Horton (who founded and developed downtown San Diego). "Face of the City" is probably a better way to put it. Gwynn distances himself from the rest by his involvement in the San Diego community after his playing career, including coaching at San Diego State.

As somebody pointed out to me in the lounge, the "problem" with the name is that Gwynn already has a ballpark in San Diego named for him (at SDSU).
   40. Ziggy: The Platonic Form of Russell Branyan Posted: August 21, 2017 at 06:05 PM (#5518125)
I like the Gwynn Meadows idea, except that it would be the name for a huge thing made out of concrete. At least it's actually got a field on it.
   41. You're a clown, RMc! I'm tired of it! Posted: August 21, 2017 at 06:10 PM (#5518127)
Aztec Park.
   42. donlock Posted: August 21, 2017 at 06:46 PM (#5518140)
For reasons stated in earlier posts about the parks: No one knows the hidden past stories when naming a park after a player. The Kirby Puckett dilemma. What if the Twins named their Park Puckett Field? Pete Rose Park?
Don't like fans picking a player they watched as a kid automatically being the name of the field. Not sure that brings in the fans of today and tomorrow by calling a park Gehrig Field or Wagner Park or even George Brett Park or Killebrew Field. Just seems dated for the future.
Go with a local historical or geographical name.
   43. LA Podcasting Hombre of Anaheim Posted: August 21, 2017 at 07:03 PM (#5518145)
My nomination: The Shipyard.

• San Diego is the home base of the Pacific Fleet, and a significant portion of the city's history for the last century has been bound to the naval base and its goings on. Tie-ins are obvious.

* The Shipyard can also tie in to the SD Unified Port District, one of the largesr shipping ports in the country.

• SD's also one of the biggest and most popular recreational sailing locals in the country.

• It has the word "yard" in it.
   44. Lassus Posted: August 21, 2017 at 09:05 PM (#5518192)
#43 is a great suggestion.
   45. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: August 21, 2017 at 10:20 PM (#5518234)
How will LA Podcasting Hombre win this thread?

By suggesting "The Shipyard"

I approve

   46. PreservedFish Posted: August 21, 2017 at 10:23 PM (#5518236)
in terms of being regarded as "Face of the City" it really is probably Tony Gwynn. The only other people I can think of ... Dr. Seuss.


I think the park name ought to be in anapestic tetrameter. Something like ... "Mister Gwynn's Coliseum Stupendous Extreme"
   47. PreservedFish Posted: August 21, 2017 at 10:30 PM (#5518241)
Honestly, I'm not proud of it, but my real vote is for Petco.

I used to live in San Diego, within walking distance of the park, and "Shipyard" would not have made much sense to me. Sure there are ships in San Diego. There are also panda bears and fish tacos. (That's pretty much all I remember - it's kind of a boring place). I think the name needs to have some local resonance or at least immediately identify the place for out-of-towners ... shipyard does neither, I'm afraid. Some spin on "Gwynn" would do both, so a Gwynn variation might get my final vote.
   48. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: August 21, 2017 at 11:31 PM (#5518263)
If the Tony Gywnn objection is that there's already a Tony Gywnn Park, then go with Tony Gwynn Stadium or Tony Gwynn Field. Or buy the rights to Tony Gwynn Park from the college.

Or don't worry about it. We ain't really renaming stadiums here anyway.

Normally, for reasons mentioned in the Giants discussion thread, I'm not a fan of naming parks after players. But I can see a good case for Gwynn. He's so far and above anyone else in team history & according to our SD commentors he was active and engaged in the community even after his playing days.
   49. Harold can be a fun sponge Posted: August 21, 2017 at 11:54 PM (#5518272)
If the Tony Gywnn objection is that there's already a Tony Gywnn Park, then go with Tony Gwynn Stadium or Tony Gwynn Field. Or buy the rights to Tony Gwynn Park from the college.

Or don't worry about it. We ain't really renaming stadiums here anyway.


Right. My comment there was tongue in cheek.
   50. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: August 22, 2017 at 12:03 AM (#5518273)
#43 -- That's a really good suggestion. I'm not sure I'd support it, at least not here. It's a fun name for a stadium at first glance, but I dunno -- seems a little confusing. When I hear "Shipyard" I don't think ballpark at all. In fact, reading your post, it wasn't until the very last sentence that I even got the Shipyard/Ballyard connection. Maybe I'm just slow.

But also-- is the San Diego ballpark anywhere near the water? I don't think so, and that makes it a bit odd.

Frankly, if we're gonna name a team's ballpark the Shipyard I think the Mariners might work better. That's another town with a longstanding tie to the sea & ships. It's a historic fisherman's town. Now, that ballpark is also not on the ocean - but at least the team's nickname is Mariners, tying it in.

Honestly, I'm not proud of it, but my real vote is for Petco.

Yeah, I get this, actually. In general, I think the corporate nicknaming is bad. Sometimes it's downright terrible. But it isn't always bad. For instance - Busch Stadium and Miller Park. Those are corporate names that ties the stadiums to industries long associated with the town. I looked up the biggest industries in the San Diego area and......learned that one of the biggest employeers is Qualcomm. Now, it doesn't have the same resonance as Miller or Busch, but - huh. There's a reason why that company got naming rights to a stadium in that town. (No, I'm not suggesting we rename Petco Qualcomm).

Any iconic industries associated with San Diego like Busch is with St. Louis? I can't really think of any. I was thinking McDonalds -- how far is San Bernadino to San Diego anyway? And it's got the Ray Kroc connection as he owned the team. But their HQ is in Illinois, as was Kroc's first McD. I don't really think San Diego when I think McDonalds.

I may sit out voting on this stadium, as I have no real strong favorites. The best I've seen so far are probably Gaslamp and Gwynn.
   51. Harold can be a fun sponge Posted: August 22, 2017 at 12:48 AM (#5518280)

Any iconic industries associated with San Diego like Busch is with St. Louis?


Tuna fishing. I would've been cool with Bumblebeee Park. They actually named the little kids' field out in the Park at the Park "Bumblebee Park" (or something like that).
   52. PreservedFish Posted: August 22, 2017 at 12:51 AM (#5518281)
Frankly, if we're gonna name a team's ballpark the Shipyard I think the Mariners might work better. That's another town with a longstanding tie to the sea & ships. It's a historic fisherman's town. Now, that ballpark is also not on the ocean - but at least the team's nickname is Mariners, tying it in.


Both parks are similarly near the water ... close as the crow flies but awkward to walk to. Safeco's coastline is an ugly working port, on the other side of a highway. Petco's a tony park and marina, blocked by a massive conference center.

My real problem with the name "Shipyard" is that it's vague and in fact meaningless to anyone but the few dozen people that will click on this single page of the internet. If you tell your buddy "the Padres and the Braves played at the Shipyard last night" he'll have no goddam idea what you're talking about. Even if he lived in San Diego. Even if he was a sea captain that lived in San Diego. Perhaps especially if he were a sea captain living in San Diego. If he were a sea captain that lived in San Diego and attended that very game, he'd say, "No they didn't. They were at Petco. I was there. Where's the Shipyard? " To me, that fails one of the few essential tests in this exercise.

Not a problem for our first creative winner, China Basin. "I watched the Giants and Mets last night at China Basin." Awkward, perhaps, but it works.
   53. Harold can be a fun sponge Posted: August 22, 2017 at 12:51 AM (#5518282)
But also-- is the San Diego ballpark anywhere near the water? I don't think so, and that makes it a bit odd.


I really like that you're so willing to reveal your ignorance publicly. I'm making fun of you a little, but mostly, I mean it literally (you don't know, and so you asked). Dude, it's close to the water.
   54. stevegamer Posted: August 22, 2017 at 01:07 AM (#5518285)
Interestingly, a San Diego newspaper just ran a contest to rename the Padres' old home. And none of the choices involved Gwynn, but that's understandable, since SDSU uses it, but not for baseball. Apparently there is a process for submissions for that facility.

Renaming Qualcomm

You really don't want to confuse people with 2 identically named stadiums in the same town - so Gwynn is out for m, even though it would be great.

Jack Murphy Stadium refers to a different structure that still stands, and is going to be renamed from Qualcomm, and possibly back to Jack Murphy, so that would be really confusing as well.

I will submit Padres Park. Yes, it's mildly boring & alliterative, but with the other throwback choices having the issue of possibly being really confusing, I think it's better than Petco.
   55. Lassus Posted: August 22, 2017 at 06:12 AM (#5518291)
Honestly, I'm not proud of it, but my real vote is for Petco.

Ick. Outside of everything else, they are shitty, shitty groomers.
   56. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: August 22, 2017 at 09:47 AM (#5518347)
I really like that you're so willing to reveal your ignorance publicly.

Why thank you, kind sir!
   57. Brian Posted: August 22, 2017 at 10:14 AM (#5518380)
Gwynn is not just Mr. Padre; he's the greatest San Diegan of all time.


Gwynn isn't even the greatest baseball player from San Diego.
   58. Brian Posted: August 22, 2017 at 10:55 AM (#5518425)
Double post
   59. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 22, 2017 at 11:01 AM (#5518431)
Tony Gywnn is the best player in Padres history. Duh.

Cut him in half, and he's the two best players in Padres history.

Cut him in thirds and he's three of the best five or six* best players in history.

This exercise got significantly easier as his career went on, of course.
   60. Omineca Greg Posted: August 22, 2017 at 11:13 AM (#5518448)
The old home town looks the same,
As I step down from the train,
And there to meet me is my mama and papa
Down the road I look and there runs Mary
Hair of gold and lips like cherries
It's good to touch the green, green grass of home

Yes, they'll all be there to meet me,
Arms reaching smiling sweetly
It's good to touch the green, green grass of home

The old house is still standing,
Though the paint is cracked and dry
And there's an old oak tree that I used to play on
Down the lane I'll walk with my sweet Mary
Hair of gold and lips like cherries
It's good to touch the green, green grass of home

Then I awake and look around me
Cold gray walls surround me
And I realize that I was only dreamin'
There's a guard and there's a sad old padre
Arm and arm we'll walk at daybreak
Again I'll touch the green, green grass of home

Yes, they'll all be there to meet me
In the shadow of that old oak tree
As they lay me beneath the green, green grass of home

Claude "Curly" Putman, Jr.


So, I think I've finally suggested a winner. "The Green, Green Grass Of Home". Sure, it would have been better if the lyric read, "there's an 8 WAR Padre", but cut Curly some slack, this song was originally from 1965! Maury Wills finished 3rd in MVP voting that year!...to be kind, it was a different time. Curly also helped write, "He Stopped Loving Her Today", which often tops polls as the greatest country song ever. Those polls would be wrong, but still.

If you remain unconvinced, let me try to persuade you. Look at this guy. I know what you're thinking..."When did Don Sutton get to be so stylish?", but that's not Don, it's Porter, who took this song all the way to the Country Top Ten.

Or this dude. I know what you're thinking..."That's the wrong Tom Jones, you doofus!", but my wife is in the room, and if she inadvertently saw an image of the other Tom Jones, the panties would be off her body, flying through the air, where they would drape over my monitor, obscuring my view.

It's a reflex. She can't help herself. And no, of course I never use this to my romantic advantage. I rely on Luther Vandross almost exclusively.

OK, she's looking the other way, here you go. What's Welsh for bedroom eyes? Ystafell Wely Llygaid..don't ask me how I know that. Anyway, he took Green Green all the way to Number One!**

But here's my favourite version. You can't say he's not feeling it!

Remember, next week vote "The Green, Green Grass Of Home", the only prudent choice in the insane world in which we live. Ball of Confusion...hey, hey.

**In Norway.
   61. PreservedFish Posted: August 22, 2017 at 11:20 AM (#5518453)
But home plate is white. And surrounded by dirt.
   62. Baldrick Posted: August 22, 2017 at 12:03 PM (#5518500)
I hate hate hate hate hate naming parks after players. I would support almost literally anything rather than name a park after a player.

The Petco-Blackwater-Comcast Experience Center is a better name than Tony Gwynn Park. And I'm a big Tony Gwynn fan.
   63. Omineca Greg Posted: August 22, 2017 at 12:27 PM (#5518524)
But home plate is white. And surrounded by dirt.

Here, I'm sending you this cake. For some reason, the customer who ordered it didn't want it.
   64. VCar Posted: August 22, 2017 at 02:34 PM (#5518653)
Ray Kroc Stadium. They can call it the Kroc.
   65. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: August 22, 2017 at 02:41 PM (#5518658)
This is one case where the corporate sponsor name has a legit argument. It's been the place's name since it's founding & it's not a bad sounding name compared to many corporoate names. And really, the most annoying thing about corporate sponsor ballpark names is how they keep changing so the name feels more artificial than real. Keep in mind, back in the day the most common way to name a stadium would be for the owner to name it after himself. Is that really any better? Heck, it's arguably worse. At least a corporate sponsor name is likely going to be a major industry in the local area, and thus something that ties the park to the community in a better way than, say, just naming it for Charles Ebbets or whoever back in the day.

Like most people in these threads, I'd prefer a more traditional ballpark name, but there has been criticism of all the stadium name proposed so far. Petco at least deserves some consideration. In its 14th season, it is the traditional name for the park.
   66. SoSH U at work Posted: August 22, 2017 at 02:46 PM (#5518662)
And really, the most annoying thing about corporate sponsor ballpark names is how they keep changing so the name feels more artificial than real.


That's actually my bigger complaint, more than corporate names themselves. However, the corporate names make such name changes more likely, as contracts run out/businesses get sold/its CEO is caught running a platypus porn ring, etc.

In all likelihood, there will come a time when Petco is no longer the name of the ballpark.

   67. PreservedFish Posted: August 22, 2017 at 02:59 PM (#5518670)
Robots should make pets obsolete any day now. Although who knows, perhaps Petco can transition into the post-pet economy by dominating robot sales?
   68. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 22, 2017 at 03:02 PM (#5518673)
perhaps Petco can transition into the post-pet economy by dominating robot sales?

Might be a conflict of interest when the robot umps take over.
   69. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: August 22, 2017 at 03:02 PM (#5518674)
If we want a nod to local history, it should be Whale's Vagina Park.
   70. LA Podcasting Hombre of Anaheim Posted: August 22, 2017 at 03:17 PM (#5518682)
AKA Your Mom's Park.

I'm not even sorry.
   71. Omineca Greg Posted: August 22, 2017 at 03:25 PM (#5518690)
If we want a nod to local history, it should be Whale's Vagina Park.


That would have gone awesome with my suggestion for China Basin, "The Dick", but alas it wasn't even nominated.

I guess visionaries like us will just have to wait until the sheeple finally take off their blinkers (I know that's a mixed metaphor, sheep wear blindfolds, everybody knows that, that's first year shepherd stuff right there. And yes, I know about the trick with rubber bands, everybody knows that one too. I prefer to use a burdizzo myself. Most people think they're too expensive, but I just borrow my wife's.)

Bass-baritone, why do you ask?
   72. PreservedFish Posted: August 22, 2017 at 03:30 PM (#5518694)
You don't use your teeth OG?
   73. Omineca Greg Posted: August 22, 2017 at 03:38 PM (#5518697)
You don't use your teeth OG?

One cake a day! That's it, house rules.

But if you must know, whenever I'm tempted to cheap out and use my teeth, I think of this...

Saint Francis of Assisi, for our Animal Friends

Heavenly Father, our human ties with our friends of other species is wonderful and special gift from You. We now ask You to grant our special animal companions your Fatherly care and healing power to take away any suffering they have. Give us, their human friends, new understanding of our responsibilities to these creatures of Yours. They have trust in us as we have in You; our souls and theirs are on this earth together to give one another friendship, affection, and caring. Take our heartfelt prayers and fill Your ill or suffering animals with healing Light and strength to overcome whatever weakness of body they have.

(Here mention the names of the animals needing prayer).

Your goodness is turned upon every living thing and Your grace flows to all Your creatures. From our souls to theirs goodness flows, touching each of us with the reflection of Your love. Grant to our special animal companions long and healthy lives. Give them good relationships with us, and if You see fit to take them from us, help us to understand that they are not gone from us, but only drawing closer to You. Grant our prayer through the intercession of good St. Francis of Assisi, who honored You through all Your creatures. Give him the power to watch over our animal friends until they are safely with You in eternity, where we someday hope to join them in giving You honor forever. Amen.


And then I reconsider.
   74. Ace Posted: August 22, 2017 at 04:59 PM (#5518775)
I'm surprised it took until Comment #69 to make an Anchorman joke. But I suppose it's fitting.
   75. Manny Coon Posted: August 22, 2017 at 06:18 PM (#5518841)

Pacific Fleet Park (military is the big thing locally)
Jerry Coleman Stadium (long time Padres announcer, one time manager and distinguished Marine pilot)
Panda Canyon (where the keep the pandas at the zoo)
Seussville (The children's library at the central library a few block away is full of Seuss stuff and the UCSD library is named after him)
Ballast Point (a very popular local beer and important geographical landmark)

Ray Kroc Stadium. They can call it the Kroc.


People already call the Kroc Center (a large YMCA kind of place in San Diego) the Kroc.
   76. Bote Man Posted: August 23, 2017 at 03:05 AM (#5519159)
My suggestions for the Ballpark at San Diego:

Festering Hellhole
Marine Layer
PAVE PAWS
Bone Dry
Lower Left Corner

If you want me to get serious about that place:
Pendleton Field - they can sing G.B.A. and honor the Marines ad nauseum every time they say the name.

The ballpark must be nice since so many say so. I only had the pleasure of driving around it after the season had ended some years back so I have to take their word for it. But you can slice off San Diego and let it float into the blue Pacific. I don't miss that place one damned bit. Everything is either the Navy (and by extension, the Marines) or Qualcomm. Those are your 2 biggest local industries.

The best thing about the bleak brown desert known as San Diego is that you can scoot south of zee border and actually enjoy life in Tijuana. Just be sure to make it back before The Wall goes up.
   77. LA Podcasting Hombre of Anaheim Posted: August 23, 2017 at 03:00 PM (#5519544)
I had two separate conversations with people from San Diego yesterday. One was a client, in his mid-50s, the other was my daughter's music tutor, in her mid-20s. At the end of both conversations, I asked them out of the blue to throw out a name for "Face of San Diego." Both people immediately named Tony Gwynn.
   78. SoSH U at work Posted: August 23, 2017 at 04:00 PM (#5519614)

There are obviously San Diegans who were more influential and impactful — Jonas Salk, anyone? — but in terms of being regarded as "Face of the City" it really is probably Tony Gwynn. The only other people I can think of are either Chargers (Seau, Tomlinson, Fouts), X-Sports guys (Tony Hawk, Shawn White), or Dr. Seuss.


Honor two of SD's greats by calling it:

The Most Fabulous, Gwynnulous Park in the World

   79. PreservedFish Posted: August 23, 2017 at 04:06 PM (#5519621)
#46 beat you to it, although you did coin a Seusserific word
   80. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: August 23, 2017 at 04:28 PM (#5519642)
I could get behind Fred Gwynn(e) Stadium.

Gwynne's exit velocity would have broken Statcast (powered by AWS™) had it been around in the 1960's.
   81. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: August 23, 2017 at 04:35 PM (#5519649)
I guess Mission Park or something could work.

If it's not standing alone -- which I'm not married to -- I think Mission should be the appendage. I'm guessing in the final tally we're gonna end up with a good 70% Parks, Fields and Stadiums, with Ballparks and Domes making up a good chunk of the rest. This is one of the few opportunities for something that stands out.

The question would be what to tack on the front.


In all likelihood, there will come a time when Petco is no longer the name of the ballpark.

Contract runs out in 2026. But surely by that time they'll be replacing the obsolete old barn.
   82. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: August 23, 2017 at 05:10 PM (#5519689)
I'm surprised it took until Comment #69 to make an Anchorman joke. But I suppose it's fitting.


Day games would of course be called "Afternoon Delight".
   83. Random Transaction Generator Posted: August 28, 2017 at 01:05 AM (#5522119)
Mission Park or Mission Field would be what I would support.

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