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Saturday, November 17, 2012

Talking baseball, mistrust and betrayal with David Samson

One word…Brattain.

As The Herald’s first Marlins beat writer, Le Batard was at that ’93 opener, a night so sweet and innocent that even franchise founder Wayne Huizenga got a standing ovation. Here is a sampling from the Le Batard/Samson conversation:

Le Batard: When and how did you guys make the decision to do what you did yesterday, which is trade all the players everyone knows?

Samson: Basically, the decision was made when we sat down after the season and talked about the team and said we cannot keep finishing in last place. It just doesn’t make sense. We lost 93 games and we trusted all of our scouts and development people and upper level baseball people and said “What we can do to possibly start this to turnaround? What needs to happen? How can it work?” And all sorts of different plans were possible. And it just so happens we found a way to possibly, in one fell swoop, get a whole lot better.

Q: Any part of you embarrassed today?

A: No. To lose 93 games was the most embarrassing thing, far more embarrassing than this. Putting together a team in 2012 that we expected to win and the fact they didn’t, that was the most embarrassing. I think when we made the managerial decisions [hiring Ozzie Guillen] and player decisions we made last year we could not have guessed that our season would end that way. It’s time to change. I’ll be embarrassed if our team is as bad next year as it was last year.

...Q: Do you feel the distrust, anger from the public?

A: Of course I feel it and I understand it…There was no distrust when the team won the World Series in ’03. And when we were going into ’05 with the great [roster] and we didn’t win, that was bad. People were upset. We went into ’12 with a good team, everybody including us picked us to do better. Everybody, and it just didn’t happen. So I think the distrust is warranted.

Repoz Posted: November 17, 2012 at 11:42 PM | 16 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Tripon Posted: November 18, 2012 at 01:26 AM (#4305423)
The problem with the Marlins is that they haven't done a good enough job developing their own players. The megatrade they did haven't addressed that issue.
   2. Walt Davis Posted: November 18, 2012 at 02:35 AM (#4305436)
The 2013 team looks pretty scary bad. From the b-r "starting" lineup:

Buck -- gone
Lee -- gone I assume; Sanchez also gone
Infante -- gone
Reyes -- gone
Hanley -- gone
Morrison -- still there I think, had a lousy year
Bonifacio -- gone
Stanton -- Sisyphus

also, 25 and under:

Solano, 2B -- 674 OPS in 900 AAA PA
Gorkys, CF -- 726 OPS in 650 AAA PA, no power
Brantly, C (23) -- 727 OPS in 1100 ml PA, may have a future

Buehrle -- gone
Johnson -- gone
Sanchez -- gone
Z -- gone I assume
Nolasco -- 88 ERA+ 2010-12, maybe gone
Bell -- gone

25 & under:

Eovaldi (23) -- looks interesting
Turner (22) -- looks BIPish but OK

The only ML guys they got back from Toronto was Escobar right?

I'm willing to believe these trades made the 2015 Marlins a better team but no way the 2013 Marlins will be better. They might not lose 93, although I see no reason not to expect that, but other than Stanton they are looking very Astros/Cubs-like.

   3. DJS, the Digital Dandy Posted: November 18, 2012 at 03:03 AM (#4305439)
Of course Samson's going to put a positive spin on the whole thing wherever he can. What's he going to say? "I haven't been this embarrassed since the time I had to escape Thranduil's halls riding a barrel in a river?"
   4. Shock Posted: November 18, 2012 at 04:26 AM (#4305443)
The only ML guys they got back from Toronto was Escobar right?


No. They got Henderson Alvarez who is 22 and made 31 starts last year. Also, Hecchavaria could well stick. It's questionable if he can hit at the MLB level, but his fielding is slick enough to find out.
   5. Eric P. Posted: November 18, 2012 at 01:29 PM (#4305550)
They also got Jeff Mathis!
   6. Xander Posted: November 18, 2012 at 01:34 PM (#4305553)
Really wish this interview was with David Simon instead.
   7. base ball chick Posted: November 18, 2012 at 01:56 PM (#4305561)
the SOBs are trying to get a death grip on the 2013 #1 pick - thinking they can outsuck the astros who have 2 actual major league players on the roster
   8. Tripon Posted: November 18, 2012 at 02:05 PM (#4305564)
Am I missing something with Jeff Mathis? Why do people think he should be on a ML roster?
   9. Bug Selig Posted: November 18, 2012 at 02:53 PM (#4305577)
Am I missing something with Jeff Mathis? Why do people think he should be on a ML roster?


You've obviously never tasted his wife's bean dip.
   10. simpleton & childlike gef the talking mongoose Posted: November 18, 2012 at 03:05 PM (#4305579)
You've obviously never tasted his wife's bean dip.


Euphemism of the year.

   11. bobm Posted: November 18, 2012 at 03:40 PM (#4305586)
I know Expos fans are still angry at Loria, but why do they call Samson "Le Bâtard"? :-)
   12. Walt Davis Posted: November 18, 2012 at 04:12 PM (#4305600)
They got Henderson Alvarez who is 22 and made 31 starts last year.

Hmmm ... with a 3.8/2.6 K/BB and 1.4 HR/9. That's not gonna project well!
   13. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: November 18, 2012 at 04:20 PM (#4305606)
Just have him pitch the 7.6 innings where he doesn't give up home runs. Duh!
   14. Greg K Posted: November 18, 2012 at 05:47 PM (#4305635)
Alvarez is an odd guy. He throws hard (up to 97-98 with an average of 93 per fangraphs) with all kinds of movement on his fastball, but doesn't strike anyone out.

Also, he seems like a cool guy. He hung out after a Jays game to watch my brother's men's league play their All-Star game at the SkyDome this year. Sat with the friends and family and had some good natured heckling of the Spanish-speaking players.
   15. Walt Davis Posted: November 18, 2012 at 08:09 PM (#4305691)
some good natured heckling of the Spanish-speaking players.

Stuff like "dude, even I could strike you out"?

Well, translated into Spanish. What is Spanish for dude?

Alvarez is actually a decent-enough prospect. The minor-league K-rate's not great but it's over 6 and the walk and HR rates are excellent. I have no idea how well that stuff translates but I suppose he's got an upside of Buehrle (whose brief minor-league career was pretty similar) and a reasonable shot at Joe Saunders (also pretty similar).
   16. haven Posted: November 18, 2012 at 09:55 PM (#4305734)
some good natured heckling of the Spanish-speaking players.

hopefully he wasn't wearing eye black

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