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Wednesday, February 22, 2017

Texas A&M Wins on Wild Pitch During IBB

On the very day MLB announced its new intentional walk rule, Texas A&M scored on a wild pitch during an IBB to win a game against Stephen F Austin.

Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: February 22, 2017 at 11:33 AM | 23 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: college baseball, intentional walks, texas a&m, wild pitch

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   1. Rusty Priske Posted: February 22, 2017 at 02:27 PM (#5406775)
An occurrence that both sides will use as proof to bolster their arguments.
   2. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 22, 2017 at 02:38 PM (#5406789)
An occurrence that both sides will use as proof to bolster their arguments.

What's the argument from the "don't throw the pitches" side?
   3. The Yankee Clapper Posted: February 22, 2017 at 02:40 PM (#5406792)
What's the argument from the "don't throw the pitches" side?

Something like "It's an unfair way to lose"?
   4. Rusty Priske Posted: February 22, 2017 at 02:41 PM (#5406793)
Easy. An interesting, competitive game ended in a terrible, disappointing fashion.
   5. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 22, 2017 at 02:44 PM (#5406796)
Easy. An interesting, competitive game ended in a terrible, disappointing fashion.

How is it any more terrible than the way Game 6 of the 1986 WS ended?
   6. SoSH U at work Posted: February 22, 2017 at 02:47 PM (#5406801)
Something like "It's an unfair way to lose"?


Is there a different definition of unfair I'm not familiar with?

Easy. An interesting, competitive game ended in a terrible, disappointing fashion.


Is that true of all games that end on wild pitches?

I think you're reaching now. Obviously, you like the new rule 'cuz you hate the process of throwing four intentional balls so much. Fine. But you can't make a sound claim that this play is an argument for the new rule.
   7. Davo and his Moose Tacos Posted: February 22, 2017 at 02:56 PM (#5406812)
   8. Perry Posted: February 22, 2017 at 02:58 PM (#5406814)
Something like "It's an unfair way to lose"?


More like "it's a fluke that doesn't REALLY have anything to do with differences in major-league level skill." It's like losing on a missed extra point in football. (I'm just being devil's advocate here, I hate the change. Fluke occurrences have their place.)
   9. Man o' Schwar Posted: February 22, 2017 at 03:03 PM (#5406824)
More like "it's a fluke that doesn't REALLY have anything to do with differences in major-league level skill." It's like losing on a missed extra point in football. (I'm just being devil's advocate here, I hate the change. Fluke occurrences have their place.)

You could say the same thing about any error. I'm remembering the 1998 game where Brant Brown had a last-out flyball hit off his glove while gleeful Brewers rounded the bases and Ron Santo died a little. Him dropping that ball was a fluke that had nothing to do with differences in major-league level skill. Every major leaguer, every minor leaguer, and probably half of rec league softball players could have caught that ball. Do we undo it?

Throwing the ball toward the plate is a skill. Hitting a moving catcher in a certain spot outside of the strike zone is a skill. If you can't do it and you throw a wild pitch, then you've earned the bad outcome that occurs.
   10. Khrushin it bro Posted: February 22, 2017 at 03:13 PM (#5406839)
Texas A&M scored on a wild pitch during an IBB to win a game against Stephen F Austin.


That is Stone Cold!
   11. Rennie's Tenet Posted: February 22, 2017 at 03:18 PM (#5406844)
Apparently they want to save time, not eliminate flukes. It would seem easy to keep fluke outcomes alive: when he wants to order the walk, the manager pushes a button that signals some randomizing program on the umpire ' s phone. 975 times in the course of the year, the ump just tells him to take his base, but the other 25 times could turn out to be homers, wild pitches, sneaky strikeouts - whatever you want!
   12. Hysterical & Useless Posted: February 22, 2017 at 03:32 PM (#5406863)
Apparently they want to save time, not eliminate flukes


Yes, that 25 seconds every other game will be YUGE.
   13. Fernigal McGunnigle Posted: February 22, 2017 at 03:55 PM (#5406899)
That SF Austin wild pitch was a magnificent one, just a lob nowhere near anything.

More like "it's a fluke that doesn't REALLY have anything to do with differences in major-league level skill." It's like losing on a missed extra point in football. (I'm just being devil's advocate here, I hate the change. Fluke occurrences have their place.)You could say the same thing about any error.
Or any grounder that takes a bad hop after hitting a pebble, or any weak flare that falls in a crease between three fielders. Baseball is full of things that qualify as luck; that's one of the features.
   14. bfan Posted: February 22, 2017 at 04:32 PM (#5406943)
I wonder if a late inning pitcher for Stephen F. Austin would bring the same level of accuracy when lobbing the baseball to the table that a major league pitcher would.
   15. Bote Man Posted: February 22, 2017 at 04:47 PM (#5406964)
Game played by Humans not executed with machine-like predictability. Film at 11.
   16. ajnrules Posted: February 22, 2017 at 04:55 PM (#5406971)
Losing on a wild pitch on an IBB is embarrassing, but I still maintain no loss can be more embarrassing than when the Angels lost to the Athletics on August 11, 2005.
   17. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: February 22, 2017 at 05:03 PM (#5406977)
I don't care much for the new rule, but I also don't care much about the new rule. I predict I will barely notice it by mid-season.
   18. Petunia inquires about ponies Posted: February 22, 2017 at 05:36 PM (#5407001)
It's not like missing a PAT in football at all. You know what it's like? It's like a pitcher throwing a pitch that misses his location. Which, I'll grant, seems unfair, and a horribly disappointing way to lose. We should definitely outlaw disappointing losses that follow egregious mistakes.

It's so weird how quickly really small issues can create incredibly bitter partisan divides. It's not like I genuinely suspect those of you arguing for this change of having hidden agendas in doing so, but there are just objectively no good arguments on that side of the debate. It's changing something about the game with an absolutely insignificant positive effect. The supposed motivations being given simply do not justify the change. And yet.
   19. Ulysses S. Fairsmith Posted: February 22, 2017 at 08:01 PM (#5407070)
I just think that the change makes no sense. The supposed benefit amounts to an average of 23 seconds a game. That's almost meaningless. But the unusual thinks that can happen during an intentional walk--while rare--are ALL exciting: fooling the batter with a strike, surprising the defense with a swing, a wild pitch or passed ball, a runner deciding to steal. Those will all be gone, unless managers decide to sometimes have the pitcher throw the four pitches to buy time for the bullpen.
   20. cardsfanboy Posted: February 23, 2017 at 01:30 AM (#5407179)

What's the argument from the "don't throw the pitches" side?


It's so rare, that it makes it news, it makes no sense to push to keep something that has probably a 1 in a 50,000 chance of having a result different than what we get. (or whatever---note: I'm on the side that thinks the rule change is stupid and unnecessary)

I personally don't care about this as evidence to support throwing four or not, it's simply that it makes no noticeable difference if you throw the four pitches or not in the big scheme of things. This rule is the definition of rearranging the chairs on the Titanic. The elephant in the room is of course the things they attacked previously and gave up on, and that is a pitch clock, and keeping the batters in the batters box.

   21. cardsfanboy Posted: February 23, 2017 at 01:34 AM (#5407180)
Throwing the ball toward the plate is a skill. Hitting a moving catcher in a certain spot outside of the strike zone is a skill. If you can't do it and you throw a wild pitch, then you've earned the bad outcome that occurs.


Makes me wonder if this rule would have a "John Lester" exemption. It hasn't been proven he has the yips on intentional walks, but he's thrown a total of 4 in his career, and zero since the start of the 2013 season.
   22. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: February 23, 2017 at 07:24 AM (#5407200)

This pitcher certainly seemed like he had the yips, for what it's worth. Two pitches in the dirt and one way over the catcher's head, on an IBB. Hopefully it was just a temporary case.
   23. Snowboy Posted: February 23, 2017 at 04:50 PM (#5407633)
Up next: banning the stolen base, taking a lead off the base, and also tagging up on a fly ball.
It's just so unfair to ask the team in possession of the ball to throw it around accurately.

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