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Wednesday, November 07, 2018

Texas Rangers: Woodward dines with Andrus, others | Fort Worth Star-Telegram

They aren’t going to win without much improved starters.

“These guys are eager, man,” Woodward said during the first full day of the general managers meetings. “I don’t know how many games we’re going to win next year. Nobody does, but they don’t like the fact that people have low expectations for us. I think that’s important.

“They want to win. They’re not looking at this thing as we’re expected to lose 100 games or 90 games. They were mad. They weren’t happy about that. That meant a lot to me, especially Andrus.”

Jim Furtado Posted: November 07, 2018 at 10:10 AM | 12 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. salvomania Posted: November 07, 2018 at 10:42 AM (#5783589)
Just looked at their 2018 stats, and yeesh, what a mess.

No pitcher threw 162 innings, and only four---four!---even threw 100 innings, and one of those was 45-year-old Bartolo Colon.

The hitters were pretty awful, only 3 hitters with an OPS+ of 100 (Choo 112, Gallo 107, Profar 105) and that includes the entire roster, not just starters.
   2. BDC Posted: November 07, 2018 at 10:49 AM (#5783595)
Kind of a weird year, as the Rangers scored a league-average number of runs and gave up a lot more: but because of park factors, had a team OPS+ of 88 and a team ERA+ of 99.

   3. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: November 07, 2018 at 10:57 AM (#5783602)
“They want to win. They’re not looking at this thing as we’re expected to lose 100 games or 90 games. They were mad. They weren’t happy about that. That meant a lot to me, especially Andrus.”
Did he expect the players to be drinking toasts to losing a bunch of games? Maybe they wanted to win, but were afraid of winning, like the Mets.
   4. PreservedFish Posted: November 07, 2018 at 10:59 AM (#5783606)
Their shittiness is distressing to me, because it was only a year or two ago that I considered them one of the most fascinating teams to watch. Beltre's appeal is obvious, Gallo is a must-watch, Odor and Mazara had huge potential, Profar was enigmatic, Andrus entertaining. But those guys are now merely average hitters, the rotation is all had-beens and there is way too much Chirinos and Guzman and Rua in the lineup.
   5. salvomania Posted: November 07, 2018 at 12:07 PM (#5783665)
No pitcher threw 162 innings, and only four---four!---even threw 100 innings

I don't know what decade I think I'm living in, but the majority of MLB teams had either 4 or 5 pitchers with at least 100 ip.

Four teams (ChW, ChC, LAD, SF) had six, and a handful had fewer than four, with TB bringing up the rear with just two (although Chris Archer had 96 when he was traded).
   6. The Good Face Posted: November 07, 2018 at 12:14 PM (#5783673)
Texas has done a terrible job of developing prospects into stars. Profar, Mazara, Odor and Gallo are all looking more like league average-ish players (at best in some cases) than stars. I'm not sure whose fault it is, maybe nobody's to blame, prospects fail to turn into stars all the time for all sorts of reasons. But those guys were all top prospects and none of them look like anything special right now.
   7. Jeff Francoeur's OPS Posted: November 07, 2018 at 04:27 PM (#5783897)
Woodward seems like the most vanilla hire ever.
   8. Walt Davis Posted: November 07, 2018 at 04:48 PM (#5783920)
Yeah, four is pretty typical for 100+. Sometimes your entire rotation stays healthy and (given expectations) effective and you'll have 5. With the right combo of short-term injuries in the rotation you might make it to 6. But no reliever tops 100 so "only 4" just requires switching the #5 starter mid-season even if the other 4 are healthy.

Nobody reaching 162 and only four throwing 100 is clearly not a good thing ... but it's going to be reasonably typical of lousy teams. They're lousy in part because of lousy pitching; lousy rotations are nearly always very weak in the #4 and #5 spots; lousy teams are often very young with lots of guys to try out or very old with lots of pitcher injuries. Any starter who happens to be decent is likely to be traded at the deadline and Aug/Sept is about giving the kids a shot.

When in doubt, check the Reds. They had 6 guys make it to 100 IP this year thanks to having 6 guys making at least 20 starts. Castillo with 31 starts barely topped 162 IP.

But in 2017, the Reds had just 2 guys make it past 100 with the leader at 122. Nobody started more than 21 games, with 8 guys with 10+ and 16 different SPs total. Homer Bailey was hurt and sucked; Bronson Arroyo was old and sucked; Amir Garrett was young and sucked; Robert Stephenson sucked in a standard 5th starter kinda way but unfortunately was probably supposed to be their #3; and Feldman was solid then injured. Up came the kids Castillo and Romano for about 90 IP each.

That's probably a bit extreme but that's what life with a shitty rotation looks like, especially with some injuries mixed in.

The 95-win Cubs did manage to have 5 guys reach 100 but only barely and we wish we hadn't as that was Chatwood's 103.2 IP of 81 ERA+ -- more walks than points of ERA+, that's gotta be pretty rare. And that was with completely healthy seasons from Lester, Hendricks and Quintana and Montgomery effectively stepping into the rotation (19 starts, 124 IP total). But it's easy to imagine pulling the plug on Chatwood sooner, Monty struggling then replaced by some AAA guy, the same Hamels deadline pickup and they'd have had only three over 100 (but all 3 over 162).

Let's face it -- in today's game, 162 IP is a minimum of 28 starts. Only 13 guys made it to 200, only 58 made it to 162. (What that implies for the meaning of black ink may be a discussion worth having.) 141 made it to 100 so just over 4.5 per team (more than I'd have guessed but still 4 is not uncommon). 72 made it to 28 starts so obviously at least 14 of them didn't make it to 162 innings. Our "few innings for a lot of starts" "leader" might be Nick Pivetta who had 32 starts and 1 relief appearance for 164.0 innings just beating out Odorizzi's 32 starts and no relief appearances for 164.1 IP.

Fergie Jenkins wishes he was dead so he could be spinning in his grave rather than spinning around in public.
   9. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: November 07, 2018 at 05:00 PM (#5783938)
If they don't change the IP requirement, there's not going to be a 6th place among 2022 ERA leaders.
   10. BDC Posted: November 07, 2018 at 05:38 PM (#5783965)
Any starter who happens to be decent is likely to be traded at the deadline

Cole Hamels, e.g, ended up with 32 starts and 191 IP, just not all for Texas.
   11. Sweatpants Posted: November 07, 2018 at 07:28 PM (#5784002)
Woodward and Andrus have a previous connection, that being the 2007 Atlanta Braves. Andrus, of course, was part of the package that netted them Mark Teixeira when the Braves were only 4.5 games out of first place, and Woodward was part of the reason that they were that far back to begin with. His .199/.252/.279 line over 151 PA was good for a 39 OPS+ and a team-worst -1.4 WAR. That team very easily could have won 90+ if not for Schuerholz doing an awful job of patching holes, so to speak. They had the top talent that they needed, but they had such huge weaknesses (back of the rotation, bench, first base for the first four months) that they were pretty much out of the race by September.
   12. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: November 08, 2018 at 10:38 AM (#5784211)
Somebody really needs to encourage Mazara to hit the ball in the air more.

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