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The 2013 Hall Of Fame Ballot Collecting Gizmo!

The 2013 HOF Ballot Collecting Gizmo!

Updated 1:55 ~ 194 Full Ballots ~ (33.9% of vote ~ based on last year)

70.1 - Biggio
60.3 - Piazza
59.8 - Raines
59.3 - Bagwell
59.3 - J. Morris
45.4 - Bonds
44.3 - Clemens
39.2 - Schilling
38.1 - L. Smith
37.6 - Trammell
35.6 - E. Martinez
20.1 - McGriff
18.6 - D. Murphy
16.5 - L. Walker
14.4 - McGwire
13.4 - S. Sosa
12.9 - Raffy
  8.8 - Mattingly
———————————
  3.1 - Lofton
  2.1 - Bernie Williams
  1.7 - P. Rose (goofy write-in’s)
  0.5 - D. Wells
  0.5 - J. Franco
  0.5 - S. Alomar Jr.
  0.5 - S. Green

Repoz Posted: December 27, 2012 at 01:08 PM | 832 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   801. GuyM Posted: January 09, 2013 at 03:50 PM (#4343288)
Because next year features FIVE pitchers that are undeniably better than him

FTFY
   802. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: January 09, 2013 at 03:54 PM (#4343298)
Although Morris once again outperformed his gizmo showing, he got only three more votes than last year. I don't think that bodes well for his chances in his final year on the ballot.
   803. Rennie's Tenet Posted: January 09, 2013 at 03:56 PM (#4343306)
Of the dozen guys who weren't properly honored because of wartime travel restrictions, only Hornsby, Clarke, and Hugh Duffy were alive when they were voted in. King Kelly had been dead since 1894.

Edit: Gehrig was voted in while alive in 1939. No ceremony because of health?
   804. Dag Nabbit is part of the zombie horde Posted: January 09, 2013 at 03:59 PM (#4343311)
Reverse engineering the Repoz vote. Here's what the 375 non-Repoz voters did (and how that compares to Repoz's tally sample of 194 voters):

Morris: 72.0% (12.7% above Repoz)
Biggio: 67.2% (2.9% under)
Bagwell: 59.7% (0.4% above)
Piazza: 56.5% (3.8% under)
L. Smith: 52.8% (14.7% above)
Raines: 48.3% (11.5% under)
Schilling: 38.7% (0.5% under)
E. Martinez: 36.0% (0.4% above)
Clemens: 34.1% (10.2% under)
Bonds: 31.5% (13.9% under)
Trammell: 31.5% (6.1% under)
L. Walker: 24.3% (7.8% above)
McGriff: 21.1% (1.0% above)
D. Murphy: 18.7% (0.1% above)
McGwire: 18.1% (3.7% above)
Mattingly: 15.5% (6.7% above)
Sosa: 12.0% (1.4% under)
Palmeiro: 6.7% (6.2% under)
B. Williams: 4.0% (1.9% above)
   805. Mike Webber Posted: January 09, 2013 at 04:03 PM (#4343322)
Reverse engineering the Repoz vote. Here's what the 375 non-Repoz voters did (and how that compares to Repoz's tally sample of 194 voters):

Morris: 72.0% (12.7% above Repoz)
Biggio: 67.2% (2.9% under)


I think this would be really interesting to use next year to help guess the undefined votes, except there will be so many ridiculously over qualified candidates that it may not help at all...
   806. Pat D Posted: January 09, 2013 at 04:04 PM (#4343324)
Career All-Star games: Lofton, 6; Williams, 5; Alomar, 6


Yea, because that is the best criteria out there.
   807. Pat D Posted: January 09, 2013 at 04:08 PM (#4343338)
MLB network just had an interview with a HOFer who was picked up in an airport with coke, hash and marijuana saying he would think long an hard about attending a HOF weekend with a known steroids user.


Who was that?
   808. MelOtt4 Posted: January 09, 2013 at 04:09 PM (#4343342)
Let's make it Fred Clarke is indestructible weekend. Got this from his wiki page.

He remained active and seemingly indestructible into his 70s. In 1947, while ice fishing in northern Minnesota, he and his wife were thrown into icy northern Minnesota waters by a storm, but he was back out fishing the next day. Soon after, he was nearly shot accidentally while quail hunting. He then survived a gas furnace explosion in his basement.[2] While in Winfield he started the Winfield Country Club that is still in operation to this day. Fred Clarke died in Winfield at age 87.
   809. DL from MN Posted: January 09, 2013 at 04:12 PM (#4343347)
Original poster meant 2 pitchers being added better than Morris. It doesn't take much looking to determine Mussina was better than Morris. If you're using "CYA votes" as a criteria Mussina is much, much better.
   810. cardsfanboy Posted: January 09, 2013 at 04:13 PM (#4343349)
Yea, because that is the best criteria out there.


It answers the question about how Alomar got nearly as many votes as Lofton and Bernie. I don't think anyone was presenting it as evidence that they were equal.

Mind you it is funny that Alomar made it to all star games as a rookie(unusual for a catcher), a year in which he played 51 games, a year in which he played 89 games, a year he posted a 75 ops+ and a year he posted a 59 ops+...

By any look at his career, he posted "all star quality seasons" maybe twice in his career.
   811. cardsfanboy Posted: January 09, 2013 at 04:14 PM (#4343352)
He remained active and seemingly indestructible into his 70s. In 1947, while ice fishing in northern Minnesota, he and his wife were thrown into icy northern Minnesota waters by a storm, but he was back out fishing the next day. Soon after, he was nearly shot accidentally while quail hunting. He then survived a gas furnace explosion in his basement.[2] While in Winfield he started the Winfield Country Club that is still in operation to this day. Fred Clarke died in Winfield at age 87.


I'm getting the impression that his wife(or someone else) was trying to kill him. (and had the competence of Inspector Gadget)
   812. SoSH U at work Posted: January 09, 2013 at 04:16 PM (#4343359)
Original poster meant 2 pitchers being added better than Morris. It doesn't take much looking to determine Mussina was better than Morris. If you're using "CYA votes" as a criteria Mussina is much, much better.


And as I said, I wasn't talking about pitchers who are undeniably better to us, but even to folks who think Jack Morris is a Hall of Fame candidate in the first place.

   813. Repoz Posted: January 09, 2013 at 04:16 PM (#4343360)
Who was that?

Fergie Jenkins.

Who later went on about a rumored player already in the HOF that used steroids. Costas pushed him on the player's name but Fergie didn't jump...saying only that he played in the 80's/90's. (ahem...Kirby)
   814. Petunia inquires about ponies Posted: January 09, 2013 at 04:20 PM (#4343367)
And Costas and Jenkins carried on a 60-second conversation about the possibility of a steroid user already in the HoF while Costas had a shocked look on his face like the thought had never yet occurred to him or anyone else. 2 guesses what didn't come up.
   815. JJ1986 Posted: January 09, 2013 at 04:23 PM (#4343376)
saying only that he played in the 80's/90's. (ahem...Kirby)


I think Eck is more likely.
   816. Pat D Posted: January 09, 2013 at 04:28 PM (#4343381)
It answers the question about how Alomar got nearly as many votes as Lofton and Bernie. I don't think anyone was presenting it as evidence that they were equal.


True. I'm too touchy I guess.

For Fred Clarke, I think that living in a town called "Winfield" probably helped. Even though he died when Dave Winfield was still a child, the baseball spirits knew a future HOF'er when they saw one and thus granted their protection. Yea, Winfield is my favorite player of all time, so of course I'd say something this ridiculous.

Ah, good ol' Fergie. Loyal member of the Buffaloheads while with the Red Sox, right?

So Puckett might have used 'roids? Interesting. Never really heard him fingered before. There was some of the domestic stuff that came out after his death, but that was something else. I do remember this article, however: http://wezen-ball.com/2010-articles/september/what-current-hofer-did-tom-boswell-see-mix-a-qjose-canseco-milkshakeq.html
   817. MelOtt4 Posted: January 09, 2013 at 04:32 PM (#4343385)
Kirby went from little sparkplug to guy built like a brickhouse. Big Kirby fan but it wouldn't shock me if he used PEDS.

Rickey Henderson would be another possibility.
   818. AROM Posted: January 09, 2013 at 04:42 PM (#4343407)
Ripken's another one.

As for Eck, his career stretches from the 70's to 90's, but I wouldn't put too much into parsing the timeline since Jenkins is trying to be vague on this.
   819. alilisd Posted: January 09, 2013 at 04:44 PM (#4343411)
12 minutes until I'm completely confused by Piazza's omission.


It's not right, but it's pretty typical treatment for a Catcher, unfortunately. Gary Carter, six years. Carlton Fisk, two years. Johnny Bench was a first ballot. Yogi Berra, two years. Roy Campenella, five years. Gabby Hartnett, 12 years, but now you're getting into ancient history for the HOF. As nonsensical as it may be, you have to be Johnny Bench to be a first ballot HOF Catcher and Piazza obviously isn't. He's not Yogi Berra or Carlton Fisk either, I'd venture, in the eyes of many voters. Still, he is probably Gary Carter so maybe in another five years. Sad, but true.
   820. AROM Posted: January 09, 2013 at 04:46 PM (#4343413)
MLB network just had an interview with a HOFer who was picked up in an airport with coke, hash and marijuana saying he would think long an hard about attending a HOF weekend with a known steroids user.


The lesson here is that doing illegal drugs is bad, umkay? But forgivable, and of no consequence to a player's legacy.

Cheating to help you win games is bad, but forgiveable. Serve a short suspension for corking a bat or scuffing a ball, then once your career is over we can all laugh about it.

But combining illegal drugs and cheating, and that is beyond the pale.


   821. Pat D Posted: January 09, 2013 at 04:49 PM (#4343419)
The lesson here is that doing illegal drugs is bad, umkay? But forgivable, and of no consequence to a player's legacy.


But aren't some people supposedly still holding the cocaine use against Tim Raines? Even though they didn't against Paul Molitor? Hmm, makes you wonder...
   822. cardsfanboy Posted: January 09, 2013 at 05:31 PM (#4343493)
saying only that he played in the 80's/90's. (ahem...Kirby)


I think Eck is more likely.


Have to agree with the Eck as the more likely candidate. It's not like Kirby was a known workout freak.

But aren't some people supposedly still holding the cocaine use against Tim Raines? Even though they didn't against Paul Molitor? Hmm, makes you wonder...


I doubt more than a handful are holding it against Raines. Raines problem is perception(Rickey Henderson light, not enough of a batting average or power for his position)
   823. Yoenis Cespedes, Baseball Savant Posted: January 09, 2013 at 05:41 PM (#4343515)
I always thought Reggie Jackson was the most likely suspect.
   824. DL from MN Posted: January 09, 2013 at 05:48 PM (#4343530)
I've heard Ryno and Dawson as possibles too.
   825. SavoyBG Posted: January 09, 2013 at 06:23 PM (#4343566)
Ryno did starting hitting more HRs when he got older.
   826. MelOtt4 Posted: January 09, 2013 at 07:14 PM (#4343598)
I hope it was Jim Rice.

I'm questioning Jack Morris. No one can grow such a thick and hardy mustache without 'help'.
   827. Ray (RDP) Posted: January 09, 2013 at 07:28 PM (#4343602)
MLB network just had an interview with a HOFer who was picked up in an airport with coke, hash and marijuana saying he would think long an hard about attending a HOF weekend with a known steroids user.


These drugs were ILLEGAL!!!!!!
   828. Roger McDowell spit on me! Posted: January 09, 2013 at 09:09 PM (#4343679)
I'm questioning Jack Morris. No one can grow such a thick and hardy mustache without 'help'.


Lip Hair for Men.
   829. Ron J2 Posted: January 10, 2013 at 04:19 PM (#4344387)
I'm questioning Jack Morris. No one can grow such a thick and hardy mustache without 'help'.


It's interesting to note that one of the first NHL players to have a positive drug test tested positive for Propecia.

The first NHL player (that I'm aware of) to test positive for steroids lost an eye (granted, before the positive drug test) which just serves to show how dangerous steroids are.
   830. Tippecanoe Posted: January 10, 2013 at 04:37 PM (#4344407)
Lanny McDonald's mustache > Jack Morris' mustache
   831. Ulysses S. Fairsmith Posted: January 10, 2013 at 07:48 PM (#4344579)
I thought Jack Morris was already in the Hall of Fame.
   832. jobu Posted: January 10, 2013 at 08:08 PM (#4344601)
I thought Jack Morris was already in the Hall of Fame.

Goodbye, Mr. Spalding!
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