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The 2013 HOF Ballot Collecting Gizmo!

The 2014 HOF Ballot Collecting Gizmo!

Final: Jan.9 - 11:30 ~ 209* Full Ballots ~ (36.7%* of vote ~ based on last year) (*new ballot/pct. record!)

99.5 - Maddux
95.7 - Glavine
89.0 - F. Thomas
79.4 - Biggio
———————————
67.9 - Piazza
61.7 - Jack (The Jack) Morris
56.5 - Bagwell
54.5 - Raines
42.1 - Bonds
40.7 - Clemens
36.8 - Schilling
26.8 - Mussina
25.4 - E. Martinez
24.4 - L. Smith
22.0 - Trammell
15.8 - Kent
12.0 - McGriff
10.5 - McGwire
  8.1 - L. Walker
  7.2 - S. Sosa
  5.7 - R. Palmeiro
———————————
4.8 - Mattingly
0.5 - P. Rose (Write-In)

Thanks to Butch, Ilychs Morales, leokitty & Barnald for their help.

As usual…send them in if you come across any ballots!

Repoz Posted: December 25, 2013 at 02:56 PM | 2002 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1701. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: January 08, 2014 at 01:44 PM (#4633463)
Costas would still put Bonds and Clemens in, even with his rabid ped hatred

He's an adjuster -- the only truly correct approach.
   1702. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: January 08, 2014 at 01:46 PM (#4633464)
Costas would still put Bonds and Clemens in, even with his rabid ped hatred... I have to respect that from him.

He's all in on their Fleer Updated set rookie cards. Can't back down now...
   1703. arrabin56 Posted: January 08, 2014 at 01:47 PM (#4633466)
Costas saying that could actually affect ballots next year. He gets a lot of respect.
   1704. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: January 08, 2014 at 01:47 PM (#4633467)
Heh, they ask Reynolds and Smoltz who they'd vote for, and since God forbid they "vote against" anyone, they both explicitly say that they're going to tell you who they think will be elected instead.

Wonder if they've already heard?
   1705. Rusty Priske Posted: January 08, 2014 at 01:48 PM (#4633468)
Wow. I never expected that from Costas. There is hope for rationality after all.
   1706. cardsfanboy Posted: January 08, 2014 at 01:48 PM (#4633469)
1. Biggio crosses finish line by skin of his teeth 75.2%

I'm too afraid to make a claim, I said that he'll finish within 10 votes of 75%... that is my only guess.
   1707. jdennis Posted: January 08, 2014 at 01:49 PM (#4633471)
Interesting that these voters seem to be very much embracing the gizmo, whereas the Heisman voters have rebelled against the Heisman counter guy
   1708. JE (Jason) Posted: January 08, 2014 at 01:50 PM (#4633472)
By the way, I haven't been watching MLBN today. My comments refer to last night's roundtable "discussion" featuring, among others, noted MLB historian "Mad Dog" Russo.

Sorry if this has been mentioned already, but did anyone else who watched that program hear Joel Sherman bad-mouth those who compare Morris to Rick Reuschel? What Sherman can't get through his thick cranium is that the comparison is meant to illustrate Reuschel's hidden value, not to denigrate Morris?
   1709. cardsfanboy Posted: January 08, 2014 at 01:51 PM (#4633473)
He's an adjuster -- the only truly correct approach.


If you don't have a functioning brain, sure. The only correct approach is to accept whatever penalty that MLB has applied to people. Any extra penalty is a ridiculous standard.
   1710. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: January 08, 2014 at 01:52 PM (#4633476)
Any extra penalty is a ridiculous standard.


Not voting for someone for the Hall of Fame is not a penalty.
   1711. Juan Uribe Marching and Chowder Society Posted: January 08, 2014 at 01:52 PM (#4633477)
Are you talking about Gurnick or whoever sold their vote to Deadspin?


Gurnick.
   1712. DL from MN Posted: January 08, 2014 at 01:52 PM (#4633478)
I think seven guys who aren't dead (Cox, Torre, LaRussa, Maddux, Glavine, Thomas, Biggio) would be pretty good for Cooperstown's attendance.
   1713. Bourbon Samurai Posted: January 08, 2014 at 01:52 PM (#4633479)
Now Costas calling for eliminating the Veterans committee
   1714. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: January 08, 2014 at 01:52 PM (#4633480)
How do you treat that guy if he's the beat writer for your team? I already knew he was old school and not very thoughtful, but now it's clear he's not even unbiased.

Well, the bias is easy to explain - as a Dodgers beat writer obviously he would have seen Morris play a lot and have a strong affinity for him, what with Morris never pitching against the Dodgers or any other NL team except in the World Series. Those two wins against the Padres were pretty impressive, though. Or maybe it was Morris's stellar 19-15, 4.12 record against the Angels.
   1715. cardsfanboy Posted: January 08, 2014 at 01:54 PM (#4633483)
Now Costas calling for eliminating the Veterans committee


I think he is over selling his position. The Veterans committee still has value and there are plenty of people that have been missed, especially since the Joe Morgan superfriends veterans committee dropped the ball.
   1716. Pete L. Posted: January 08, 2014 at 01:55 PM (#4633484)
Ryan: Here is Shi Davidi:

http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/baseball-hall-of-fame-2014-jack-morris-steroid-debate-roger-clemens-barry-bonds/

The Shi Davidi hall of fame ballot (10): Biggio, Bonds, Clemens, Glavine, Kent, Maddux, Morris, Raines, Thomas and Walker.

I see you for Baggarly....

Nice work, my friend!
   1717. cardsfanboy Posted: January 08, 2014 at 01:56 PM (#4633487)
Not voting for someone for the Hall of Fame is not a penalty.


If you aren't taking their performance as a player because of ped issues, then you are applying a penalty.
   1718. Srul Itza Posted: January 08, 2014 at 01:56 PM (#4633488)
Biggio is trending back up. Pack your bags, Lisa.
   1719. zonk Posted: January 08, 2014 at 01:57 PM (#4633489)
Which known or suspected PED guy gets adjusted "out" of the HoF?

Seems like you'd need a pretty hefty penalty -- something like 20-30% -- to keep Palmeiro, Sosa, and McGwire out. Palmeiro basically becomes Tony Perez, Sosa becomes Ralph Kiner, and McGwire is probably still Harmon Killebrew even if you apply something like a 10-20% penalty.
   1720. Mark Armour Posted: January 08, 2014 at 01:57 PM (#4633491)
I think seven guys who aren't dead (Cox, Torre, LaRussa, Maddux, Glavine, Thomas, Biggio) would be pretty good for Cooperstown's attendance.


Plus Roger Angell, Eric Nadel, and Joe Garagiola all winning prestigious awards. This will be an extraordinary weekend, and probably year, for the Hall of Fame.
   1721. Juan Uribe Marching and Chowder Society Posted: January 08, 2014 at 01:57 PM (#4633492)
First year 5 as well.


Some decent players in that 5.
   1722. John Northey Posted: January 08, 2014 at 01:57 PM (#4633493)
I think the vets has shifted in a way that is good - from everyone every year to a rotation. I'd like it a bit different - non-players one year, players the next, then a breather year so they never put in too many again. It will always be needed as a venue of last chance but they shouldn't feel the need to always put someone in either.
   1723. John Northey Posted: January 08, 2014 at 01:59 PM (#4633495)
Just 3.
   1724. Guts Posted: January 08, 2014 at 01:59 PM (#4633496)
No Biggio.

571 ballots, so Biggio must have been close.
   1725. AJMcCringleberry Posted: January 08, 2014 at 01:59 PM (#4633497)
No Biggio. Bah.
   1726. Bourbon Samurai Posted: January 08, 2014 at 01:59 PM (#4633498)
Maddux, Glavine, Thomas.
   1727. ajnrules Posted: January 08, 2014 at 01:59 PM (#4633499)
Damn. Only three, no Biggio.

74.8% WTFFFFF
   1728. Guts Posted: January 08, 2014 at 02:00 PM (#4633501)
74.8%!

ONE VOTE OFF.
   1729. John Northey Posted: January 08, 2014 at 02:00 PM (#4633502)
74.8% for Biggio? Geez.
   1730. Mickey Henry Mays Posted: January 08, 2014 at 02:00 PM (#4633504)
74.8 for Biggio!

   1731. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: January 08, 2014 at 02:00 PM (#4633506)
Congrats to Maddux, Thomas and Glavine.

Sorry to be right on Biggio coming up short.
   1732. Juan Uribe Marching and Chowder Society Posted: January 08, 2014 at 02:01 PM (#4633507)
Well, the bias is easy to explain - as a Dodgers beat writer obviously he would have seen Morris play a lot and have a strong affinity for him, what with Morris never pitching against the Dodgers or any other NL team except in the World Series. Those two wins against the Padres were pretty impressive, though. Or maybe it was Morris's stellar 19-15, 4.12 record against the Angels.


Perhaps bias was the wrong word. Maybe savage close-mindedness is better. I didn't mean to connect the Dodgers with Morris. Just to point out I follow the Dodgers and a major source of information for the Dodgers has some flaws I prefer not to see in a guy from which I get such information.
   1733. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 08, 2014 at 02:01 PM (#4633508)
But did anyone vote for Mike Timlin?
   1734. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: January 08, 2014 at 02:02 PM (#4633509)
Wow, Jack's support tanked among the non-Gizmo'd.

   1735. Xander Posted: January 08, 2014 at 02:02 PM (#4633510)
Wow. The Gizmo nailed Jack Morris.
   1736. Juan Uribe Marching and Chowder Society Posted: January 08, 2014 at 02:02 PM (#4633511)
ONE VOTE OFF.


Gurnick!
   1737. Guts Posted: January 08, 2014 at 02:02 PM (#4633513)
OK, Biggio was 2 votes off. Still, painfully close.
   1738. Mickey Henry Mays Posted: January 08, 2014 at 02:02 PM (#4633514)
So what did Biggio miss by 1 vote?
   1739. zonk Posted: January 08, 2014 at 02:02 PM (#4633515)
Hahahahahah.... suck it, Murray... no Morris for you.
   1740. Mickey Henry Mays Posted: January 08, 2014 at 02:02 PM (#4633516)
OK never mind
   1741. John Northey Posted: January 08, 2014 at 02:03 PM (#4633517)
Morris dead on the gizmo! Cool.
   1742. Guts Posted: January 08, 2014 at 02:03 PM (#4633519)
Bonds and Clemens went down.
   1743. Chip Posted: January 08, 2014 at 02:03 PM (#4633520)
Support for both Bonds and Clemens drops from last year.
   1744. Flynn Posted: January 08, 2014 at 02:03 PM (#4633522)
Other than Biggio, everybody's vote went down, so the idiots of the keyboard still want this ########### to continue.
   1745. Brett "The Hitman" Gardner Posted: January 08, 2014 at 02:03 PM (#4633523)
Palmeiro gone

Better hope this is wrong...
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/03/wait-someone-has-evidence-that-rafael-palmeiro-really-was-clean-and-is-unwilling-to-do-anything-about-it/
   1746. Mickey Henry Mays Posted: January 08, 2014 at 02:03 PM (#4633524)
Bye Bye Raffy
   1747. Guts Posted: January 08, 2014 at 02:03 PM (#4633525)
Palmeiro off the ballot. Yikes.
   1748. John Northey Posted: January 08, 2014 at 02:03 PM (#4633526)
Palmeiro gone!
   1749. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 08, 2014 at 02:03 PM (#4633527)
Who fell off the ballot completely? Will Sosa and Palmeiro get another shot?
   1750. Bourbon Samurai Posted: January 08, 2014 at 02:03 PM (#4633528)
Wow, Raffy drops off
   1751. Kiko Sakata Posted: January 08, 2014 at 02:04 PM (#4633530)
Damn shame about Biggio. That sucks! And it looks like the Gizmo was high on everybody - looks like the non-published guy didn't get the message on filling out their ballots. And a real shame about Raffy Palmeiro, too.

And wait, Jacque Jones and Armando Benitez got courtesy votes!? Huh?
   1752. Guts Posted: January 08, 2014 at 02:04 PM (#4633532)
Who fell off the ballot completely? Will Sosa and Palmeiro get another shot?

Sosa got 7%, I think, he's ok.
   1753. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: January 08, 2014 at 02:04 PM (#4633533)
Perhaps bias was the wrong word. Maybe savage close-mindedness is better. I didn't mean to connect the Dodgers with Morris. Just to point out I follow the Dodgers and a major source of information for the Dodgers has some flaws I prefer not to see in a guy from which I get such information.

Oh, I wasn't trying to be sarcastic towards you. Just trying to spotlight Gurnick's utter boneheadery. I mean, he could at least throw Mattingly on there as well. Or, um, are there any ex-Dodgers on the ballot who aren't polluted by the taint of steriods? Hideo Nomo maybe.
   1754. HGM Posted: January 08, 2014 at 02:04 PM (#4633534)
There were ballots that somehow managed to fit Kenny Rogers, Jacque Jones, JT Snow, Armando Benitez, Eric Gagne, Luis Gonzalez, Hideo Nomo and Moises Alou.

Rafael Palmeiro drops off the ballot.
   1755. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: January 08, 2014 at 02:05 PM (#4633536)
Any report on the names per ballot total?

Must have tumbled with the non-public ballots.
   1756. LargeBill Posted: January 08, 2014 at 02:05 PM (#4633537)
Palmeiro is gone. Just wrong. What does the Vets committee do with him?
   1757. Blastin Posted: January 08, 2014 at 02:05 PM (#4633538)
HE MISSED BY TWO VOTES JESUS CHRIST THESE FOOLS

Anyway, Biggio and Bags together might happen though.
   1758. cardsfanboy Posted: January 08, 2014 at 02:05 PM (#4633539)
I had predicted on Facebook the percentages for a few players... my guess for Biggio was 74.8.......If you make enough predictions, you will be right once in a while.
   1759. Guts Posted: January 08, 2014 at 02:05 PM (#4633540)
The important thing is we can stop talking about ####### Jack ####### Morris now.
   1760. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: January 08, 2014 at 02:06 PM (#4633541)
The important thing is we can stop talking about ####### Jack ####### Morris now.

Until he's up in the Vets committee.
   1761. Juan Uribe Marching and Chowder Society Posted: January 08, 2014 at 02:06 PM (#4633542)
Hideo Nomo maybe.


Nomo was awesome that one year.
   1762. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 08, 2014 at 02:07 PM (#4633543)
The important thing is we can stop talking about ####### Jack ####### Morris now.



Well there will be a spate of columns the next few weeks about how he was robbed, and how cybernetricians are ruining the game and how Morris was subject to a vicious smear campaign by internet nerds who never saw him pitch. But yes, no more Morris til the VC puts him in.
   1763. Heinie Mantush (Krusty) Posted: January 08, 2014 at 02:07 PM (#4633544)

HE MISSED BY ONE VOTE JESUS CHRIST THESE FOOLS

Anyway, Biggio and Bags together might happen though.


Behold the power of Murray Chass. Seriously.

How the #### does Craig Biggio not make the HOF? AND PALMEIRO IS OFF??? Jeebus.
   1764. zonk Posted: January 08, 2014 at 02:07 PM (#4633545)
Palmeiro dropping off is a travesty of some significance, I think...
   1765. Mickey Henry Mays Posted: January 08, 2014 at 02:08 PM (#4633546)
Looks like the anti roid guys are digging in their heels.
   1766. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: January 08, 2014 at 02:09 PM (#4633547)
Palmeiro is gone. Just wrong. What does the Vets committee do with him?


Wag its finger sternly and emphatically at him?
   1767. Joey B. Posted: January 08, 2014 at 02:09 PM (#4633548)
Good riddance.
   1768. Mike A Posted: January 08, 2014 at 02:09 PM (#4633549)
Feel badly for Biggio, but at least he'll almost certainly get in next year. Was just listening to some bonehead radio guy talk about how Biggio while playing didn't 'look like a Hall of Famer'(while actually making a kinda sorta decent point that Biggio will inexplicably get in before Bonds).

I'm pretty tempted to go this year since it's going to be a Brave-centric class. Long drive, though.
   1769. Heinie Mantush (Krusty) Posted: January 08, 2014 at 02:09 PM (#4633550)
Ken Gurnick.

Craig Biggio was one vote away.
   1770. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: January 08, 2014 at 02:10 PM (#4633552)
Screw all the guys who dropped Biggio from their ballot from lack of room. When you have to choose 10, don't cut the guy who needs the vote the most!
   1771. Dag Nabbit is a cornucopia of errors Posted: January 08, 2014 at 02:10 PM (#4633553)
What are the percentages?
   1772. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: January 08, 2014 at 02:10 PM (#4633556)
. Joey B. says karma hits you right in the face Posted: January 08, 2014 at 02:09 PM (#4633548)
Good riddance.


Kind of harsh. Jack Morris was a fine player in his own right.
   1773. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: January 08, 2014 at 02:11 PM (#4633557)
16 ballots with no Greg Maddux.
   1774. JE (Jason) Posted: January 08, 2014 at 02:11 PM (#4633558)
Is the BBWAA site inaccessible for anyone else?
   1775. dave h Posted: January 08, 2014 at 02:12 PM (#4633560)
Down for me too. Traffic, presumably?
   1776. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: January 08, 2014 at 02:12 PM (#4633561)
And it looks like the Gizmo was high on everybody
It's always high.
   1777. cardsfanboy Posted: January 08, 2014 at 02:12 PM (#4633562)
16 non-votes for Maddux? That is nuts.
   1778. zonk Posted: January 08, 2014 at 02:12 PM (#4633564)

Well there will be a spate of columns the next few weeks about how he was robbed, and how cybernetricians are ruining the game and how Morris was subject to a vicious smear campaign by internet nerds who never saw him pitch.


But if you like the taste of tears, this is a good thing...
   1779. Jick Posted: January 08, 2014 at 02:12 PM (#4633565)
Name
Votes (Pct.)
Yrs on ballot
Greg Maddux 555 (97.2%) 1
Tom Glavine 525 (91.9) 1
Frank Thomas 478 (83.7) 1
Craig Biggio 427 (74.8) 2
Mike Piazza 355 (62.2) 2
Jack Morris 351 (61.5) 15
Jeff Bagwell 310 (54.3) 4
Tim Raines 263 (46.1) 7
Roger Clemens 202 (35.4) 2
Barry Bonds 198 (34.7) 2
Lee Smith 171 (29.9) 12
Curt Schilling 167 (29.2) 2
Edgar Martinez 144 (25.2) 5
Alan Trammell 119 (20.8) 13
Mike Mussina 116 (20.3) 1
Jeff Kent 87 (15.2) 1
Fred McGriff 67 (11.7) 8
Mark McGwire 63 (11.0) 8
Larry Walker 58 (10.2) 4
Don Mattingly 47 (8.2) 14
Sammy Sosa 41 (7.2) 2
Rafael Palmeiro 25 (4.4) 4
Moises Alou 6 (1.1) 1
Hideo Nomo 6 (1.1) 1
Luis Gonzalez 5 (0.9) 1
Eric Gagne 2 (0.4) 1
J.T. Snow 2 (0.4) 1
Armando Benitez 1 (0.2) 1
Jacque Jones 1 (0.2) 1
Kenny Rogers 1 (0.2) 1
Sean Casey 0 (0) 1
Ray Durham 0 (0) 1
Todd Jones 0 (0) 1
Paul LoDuca 0 (0) 1
Richie Sexson 0 (0) 1
Mike Timlin 0 (0) 1
   1780. Joey B. Posted: January 08, 2014 at 02:12 PM (#4633566)
16 ballots with no Greg Maddux.

The creators of those ballots should all be beheaded, but with a sword that's roughly six to eight inches wider than the standard sword.
   1781. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 08, 2014 at 02:13 PM (#4633568)
Is the BBWAA site down for anyone else?


Not down, but running super-slow, and I got a page with an "access denied" message when I tried to click on the page for full vote totals.
   1782. JE (Jason) Posted: January 08, 2014 at 02:13 PM (#4633569)
16 non-votes for Maddux? That is nuts.

Tom Seaver just raised a glass of wine and smiled. (And for some reason, so did the '72 Dolphins.)
   1783. Kiko Sakata Posted: January 08, 2014 at 02:13 PM (#4633571)
Certainly, I saw the crowded-ballot mess coming, but I'd kind of gotten my hopes up with the huge number of full published ballots. That was very disappointing. If there are that many guys out there who apparently are only going to vote for 3 or 4 or 5 guys, they need to get rid of the ballot cap and let voters vote for everybody they want to. We saw enough public ballots that left Biggio off because of the 10-player limit that we know with absolute certainty that the ballot cap is what kept him out of the Hall of Fame.

If more than 75% of the electorate thinks you're a Hall-of-Famer, the standard for election is 75%, and you aren't actually elected, something's wrong with the voting system. Damn, I really hope the BBWAA fixes it next year.
   1784. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: January 08, 2014 at 02:14 PM (#4633572)
mussina did better than I thought. that's a good foundation for him.
   1785. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 08, 2014 at 02:14 PM (#4633573)
Where does Morris stand in terms of highest vote total without ever getting in? Isn't Gil Hodges the leader there?
   1786. zonk Posted: January 08, 2014 at 02:15 PM (#4633574)
WTF wastes a ballot on Jacque Jones, Armando Benitez, JT Snow, or some of the other drek given the ballot.... Just back of the napkin, even if you're a PED fanatic, there are still 10 names I can count clearly ahead of those guys.

THOSE are the types of voters who really ought to have their ballots taken away.
   1787. Jick Posted: January 08, 2014 at 02:16 PM (#4633577)
Not sure why the BBWAA is saying McGriff's been on the ballot for eight years...it's been five. So there might be other mistakes on there, too.
   1788. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: January 08, 2014 at 02:16 PM (#4633578)
The guys who voted for Snow and Gagne, Benitez and Jaques Jones better have voted for Biggio.
   1789. Monty Posted: January 08, 2014 at 02:17 PM (#4633580)
Moises Alou 6 (1.1) 1
Hideo Nomo 6 (1.1) 1
Luis Gonzalez 5 (0.9) 1
Eric Gagne 2 (0.4) 1
J.T. Snow 2 (0.4) 1
Armando Benitez 1 (0.2) 1
Jacque Jones 1 (0.2) 1
Kenny Rogers 1 (0.2) 1


Thanks for taking it seriously, guys.
   1790. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: January 08, 2014 at 02:17 PM (#4633582)
No Palmeiro is now officially the first 3,000 hit player to not make the Hall of Fame?
   1791. AROM Posted: January 08, 2014 at 02:18 PM (#4633586)
Craig Biggio was one vote away.


2 votes - either 2 more people list him, or else 2 people who turned in blank or very light ballots don't participate, and Craig would be in.

On the plus side, this gives Lisa another year to kick some sense into her husband, and maybe Bagwell/Biggio go in together.
   1792. The District Attorney Posted: January 08, 2014 at 02:18 PM (#4633587)
Maddux: "Glavine showed me that you don't have to be 100% to pitch."

He showed Mets fans that, too!
   1793. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: January 08, 2014 at 02:18 PM (#4633588)
   1794. John Northey Posted: January 08, 2014 at 02:18 PM (#4633589)
I'm surprised by some of the oddball votes. Eric Gagne, a PED user and reliever got a couple of votes. Weird.
   1795. Rear Admiral Piazza Posted: January 08, 2014 at 02:19 PM (#4633591)
It is speculated that the odd votes, for people like Benitez and Jones, are by writers wanting to make sure their votes get counted - a way of marking their ballots.
   1796. AROM Posted: January 08, 2014 at 02:19 PM (#4633594)
No Palmeiro is now officially the first 3,000 hit player to not make the Hall of Fame?


I bet there's one more.
   1797. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: January 08, 2014 at 02:19 PM (#4633596)
Where does Morris stand in terms of highest vote total without ever getting in? Isn't Gil Hodges the leader there?


His 2013 total leaves him the highest at the moment, but only because some others (notably Fox and Bunning) were subsequently elected by the Vets Committee. Hodges (at 63 percent) has the highest percentage of anyone who's been rejected by both groups.

   1798. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: January 08, 2014 at 02:19 PM (#4633597)
I can see some reason for voting for all of those players except Jacque Jones and Armando Benitez. Even J.T. Snow saved a 2-year-old from dying in a home plate collision once.
   1799. The Yankee Clapper Posted: January 08, 2014 at 02:19 PM (#4633599)
With "only" three elected, and Bagwell & Raines getting fewer votes this year, the ballot glut will be around for years. Those that said the BBWAA would be able to get beyond "witch hunt" justice were also overly optimistic.
   1800. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 08, 2014 at 02:20 PM (#4633600)
No Palmeiro is now officially the first 3,000 hit player to not make the Hall of Fame?


Well, there's that "Rose" fella...
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