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Monday, April 21, 2008

The Bad News Cubs: Thank God For Another Cubs Blog

Well theres Theriot going on
cause its blogger demonstration time

Aren’t statheads the kings of sample size? And yet, Theriot earned complete condemnation after two weeks:

The point is that you don’t have to hate the guy (Theriot) to know he’s not very good at baseball. Anybody who has gotten the impression I hate this man simply has not read much of what I have said here. I hope he does well. I won’t hold my breath waiting for it, but I really do.

.893 OPS and steady glove… just terrible. Of course, even though two weeks was enough to call Theriot the worst shortstop in baseball, Maddog will counter all this with, you guessed it, ’sample size’. “Well, the .893 is only through April 20.” No ####, Sherlock. Just like it’s no #### that Theriot is what he is, a good ball player. He’s no all star, no hall of famer, but you’re also not going to get better production from ‘any replacement level player’. God are you and your frat buddies ####### stupid. Theriot helps his teams win and it’s something you morons will never understand. You imbeciles only understand home runs and strikeouts. For you guys, a hit and run is like ####### quantum mechanics.

All these dumb ####### statheads are surprised the Cubs are scoring well despite Soriano’s injury:

With Soriano out and Fukudome taking today off because of a cyst above his eye, you’d think the Cubs offense would have trouble scoring runs. Baseball is a funny game.

Once again, thank god for ACB. Without them, we might actually learn the Cubs scored more runs per game with Theriot leading off last year than with Soriano.

 

Repoz Posted: April 21, 2008 at 02:21 AM | 47 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Crashburn Alley Posted: April 21, 2008 at 03:42 AM (#2752683)
In 747 Major League at-bats going into the game on Sunday, Theriot had a .344 OBP and a .383 SLG. That's a .727 OPS. Methinks he's way over-performing in the first three weeks of the season.

And according to RZR, he's the worst-fielding shortstop in the National League among those that qualify (Theriot is 14 out of 14).
   2. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: April 21, 2008 at 03:56 AM (#2752698)
That dude really loves him some Ryan Theriot, and he is not afraid to call you an idiot if you disagree with him.
   3. Shock Posted: April 21, 2008 at 04:00 AM (#2752699)
God are you and your frat buddies ####### stupid. Theriot helps his teams win and it’s something you morons will never understand. You imbeciles only understand home runs and strikeouts. For you guys, a hit and run is like ####### quantum mechanics.


Gotta love it when a guy makes himself look stupider than anyone else ever could.
   4. bdberry637 Posted: April 21, 2008 at 04:02 AM (#2752700)
Theriot seems to be a new version of David Eckstein. Meaning: he's really not very good, has no power whatsoever, is weak defensively, but still seems to help his team win when it counts through sheer effort.
   5. MM1f Posted: April 21, 2008 at 04:04 AM (#2752702)
The blog this guy is responding to says this...

"The ability to hate a ballplayer means you also have the ability to love one and I think most of us would find that to be rather foolish."

Really?
Really?
I'm not talking about romantic love (duh) but it really does make you look like the coldhearted, game ruining, spreadsheet cliche when you say its foolish, as a fan, to love a ballplayer.

I have had the pleasure of watching Chipper Jones' rookie year as I was starting to love baseball and have been able to watch him grow into a future Hall of Famer as I grew up. I have watched John Smoltz go from nasty-stuff yet erratic youngster to Cy Young to so injured he might not pitch again to untouchable closer to back to being a Cy YOung Caliber starter.

Or if we are talking about guys closer to Theriot in talent why can't I admire Mike Mordecai for his timely hitting?
And why can't I say I loved watching him come up as an undertalented kid and manage make himself a 12 year major league career, culminating in clutch three-run double in the NLCS. A double that was key part of a miracle eight inning that was the difference between losing to the Cubs in 6 and winning a WS ring.
How can you NOT love that, watching the little guy do something he, and you, will remember for a long time?
The guy has two World Series rings now

Why can't I love a ballplayer?
   6. Dr. Vaux Posted: April 21, 2008 at 04:07 AM (#2752703)
Nice post.
   7. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: April 21, 2008 at 04:14 AM (#2752707)
If those numbers are right defensively, Hanley is the best player in baseball. His defense has been really bad the last two years but he has the tools to be good. Those numbers could be right because they Tulo and Reyes well and everyone thinks they are good.
   8. MM1f Posted: April 21, 2008 at 04:17 AM (#2752709)
You know the David Ecstien thing is odd. Half of baseball fans overrate his abilities because he is "scrappy" or whatever but the other half go so far overboard in blasting his abilities. It is really puzzling how some stat heads see a certain kind of player and do as much as they can to tear him down by making him out to be far worse than he is.

Eckstien is a shortstop with a career .351 on-base percentage and he really does do an excellent job getting the bat on the ball. Plus he is perfectly willing to take a dose to get on base.(three time league leader) He is not a world beater but he is a useful player. And he is not a bad defender. His physical shortcomings do not allow him to be a strong one but he is solid.

And he has hit .333 in 51 World Series at-bats.

Even his biggest fans don't claim that he is any kind of stud, so why do people go so far to convince others that hes a bad player when that isn't very true over the course of his career?
   9. My guest will be Jermaine Allensworth Posted: April 21, 2008 at 04:28 AM (#2752715)
Loving a ballplayer means never having to say you're sorry.
   10. Don Guillote (The Cheat) Posted: April 21, 2008 at 04:51 AM (#2752732)
Loving a ballplayer means never having to say you're sowwy.
Fixed. Get it on a T-shirt!
   11. Drew (Primakov, Gungho Iguanas) Posted: April 21, 2008 at 05:24 AM (#2752748)
Not even worth commenting on. Oh wait...
   12. Cabbage Posted: April 21, 2008 at 06:36 AM (#2752773)
somewhat related:

Cedeno has looked really good so far. His approach at the plate is much better than it was the last two years. Certainly, the raw numbers he has put up come with a sample size warning. But his approach has looked solid, and that is much more encouraging.

Of course, my amateur scouting might be biased by his success during the first few weeks of the season.
   13. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: April 21, 2008 at 06:37 AM (#2752774)
Hopefully the emergence of beloved folk hero TheRiot will finally allow SLG-crazed statheads to transfer their hatred to a new whipping boy who is more deserving of their whips than Eckstein.
   14. BadNewsCubs Posted: April 21, 2008 at 08:50 AM (#2752788)
Repoz, and you dunce factory stathead dumbfuck losers... stay the #### away from my site. You're a bunch of ####### imbeciles who don't know the first thing about winning baseball.

You all read my work every time I write... and I don't read a word of your ########. That's the difference. You morons read every ####### word I write and don't think I don't know it. You can keep reading... but you're not worthy of having my work at this site of academic rejects. You quasi-scientists, non athletes... who make up stupid Dungeons & Dragons stats about baseball that mean nothing... shouldn't even watch baseball. Go examine some ####### grains of sand you nerd dolts.

Every time I'm the subject at sites like this, the discussion is a billion times better than it is otherwise. You're the most boring, idiotic forms of life on earth. And Symborski, or whatever the #### your name was... my gay friends would tell you what a ####### faggot you are. #####.
   15. The Bones McCoy of THT Posted: April 21, 2008 at 09:19 AM (#2752789)
I'm not talking about romantic love (duh) but it really does make you look like the coldhearted, game ruining, spreadsheet cliche when you say its foolish, as a fan, to love a ballplayer.


I take it you've never read our esteemed Sam M. expound on the virtues of David Wright.

Dude has got it bad.

Best Regards

John

P.S. I don't mind having David Eckstein around--a club needs solid role players and he fits the bill.
   16. The Bones McCoy of THT Posted: April 21, 2008 at 09:21 AM (#2752790)
Repoz, and you dunce factory stathead dumbfuck losers... stay the #### away from my site. You're a bunch of ####### imbeciles who don't know the first thing about winning baseball.

You all read my work every time I write... and I don't read a word of your ########. That's the difference. You morons read every ####### word I write and don't think I don't know it. You can keep reading... but you're not worthy of having my work at this site of academic rejects. You quasi-scientists, non athletes... who make up stupid Dungeons & Dragons stats about baseball that mean nothing... shouldn't even watch baseball. Go examine some ####### grains of sand you nerd dolts.

Every time I'm the subject at sites like this, the discussion is a billion times better than it is otherwise. You're the most boring, idiotic forms of life on earth. And Symborski, or whatever the #### your name was... my gay friends would tell you what a ####### faggot you are. #####.


Flirt.

Best Regards

John

P.S. Would you and your ego mind getting a room?
   17. Marcel Posted: April 21, 2008 at 09:23 AM (#2752792)
So... do you not know how to construct a sentence without unneccessary cursing? I don't think anyone is trying to hide from you the fact that we're reading your work. If we were, the link wouldn't be posted right on the front of the homepage. I also don't think you should be allowed to use numbers to quantify Theriots effectiveness if you're going to call us "stathead dumbfuck losers." Terms such as "scrappy, gamer, and dirtdog" are all far more appropriate. And, for what it's worth, her name is spelled Jane Austen. Is it really that hard to correctly spell the name of one of England's finest female authors?


Btw, how did dumbfuck and faggot manage to get through the nanny?
   18. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: April 21, 2008 at 11:15 AM (#2752800)
So what do we think? 100% off his meds/0% shtick? Or 0% of his meds/100% shtick? Or maybe somwhere in between. I'm thinking 15% off his meds/85% shtick.

Now, why you'd you choose this particular technique as your shtick I'll never know--it doesn't get that much attention here--but if it makes him happy, good for him.
   19. Spahn Insane Posted: April 21, 2008 at 12:10 PM (#2752808)
Cedeno has looked really good so far. His approach at the plate is much better than it was the last two years. Certainly, the raw numbers he has put up come with a sample size warning. But his approach has looked solid, and that is much more encouraging.

I was thinking the same thing during yesterday's game. He seems to be recognizing breaking stuff out of the zone much more successfully than in his earlier major league trials, and he's hitting the ball with much more authority. I'm thinking there's a causal link between the former and the latter.

Sample size and all, but he looks like a completely different hitter.
   20. Eraser-X is emphatically dominating teh site!!! Posted: April 21, 2008 at 12:31 PM (#2752817)
You're a bunch of ####### imbeciles who don't know the first thing about winning baseball.


Aren't you a Cub fan?
   21. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory) Posted: April 21, 2008 at 01:13 PM (#2752836)
Why can't I love a ballplayer?

Because it is not even legal, that's why.

Repoz, and you dunce factory stathead dumbfuck losers... stay the #### away from my site. You're a bunch of ####### imbeciles who don't know the first thing about winning baseball.

Who are you calling "stathead"?
   22. Neil Kinnock...Lord Palmerston! (Orinoco) Posted: April 21, 2008 at 01:23 PM (#2752843)
Hey, BadNews is Lee Elia!
   23. GGC don't think it can get longer than a novella Posted: April 21, 2008 at 01:23 PM (#2752844)
Who are you calling "stathead"?


No kidding. Some of us never got past Stats 101 and couldn't scrape data from a db to save our lives.
   24. Dan The Mediocre Posted: April 21, 2008 at 01:31 PM (#2752851)
If he were serious, he'd arrange it so that any link from baseballthinkfactory.org got redirected somewhere else.
   25. Mattbert Posted: April 21, 2008 at 01:40 PM (#2752861)
You quasi-scientists, non athletes...

You're right. I haven't been able to crack 90 on the gun since my labrum surgery.
   26. Cabbage Posted: April 21, 2008 at 02:11 PM (#2752885)
I was thinking the same thing during yesterday's game. He seems to be recognizing breaking stuff out of the zone much more successfully than in his earlier major league trials, and he's hitting the ball with much more authority. I'm thinking there's a causal link between the former and the latter.

Was it yesterday or saturday that he started off 0-2, then ended up seeing about 10-12 pitches before drawing a walk? Compared to the guy that stunk up the offense two years ago, that's pretty unbelievable. Cedeno really has a chance to put up a solid offensive season. He'll probably start taking more playing time from Theriot as the season goes on.

This is pretty exciting, to see a young Cubs position player develop offensively.
   27. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: April 21, 2008 at 02:11 PM (#2752886)

And according to RZR, he's the worst-fielding shortstop in the National League among those that qualify


And looky who was #1 in 2005.
   28. Andere Richtingen Posted: April 21, 2008 at 03:05 PM (#2752908)
I guess some trolls are kind of fun to feed, but really, as a rule it's not a good idea.
   29. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: April 21, 2008 at 03:14 PM (#2752921)
and he is not afraid to call you an idiot if you disagree with him.

When I'm right, I'm right.
   30. Bunny Vincennes Posted: April 21, 2008 at 03:14 PM (#2752922)
Was it yesterday or saturday that he started off 0-2, then ended up seeing about 10-12 pitches before drawing a walk? Compared to the guy that stunk up the offense two years ago, that's pretty unbelievable. Cedeno really has a chance to put up a solid offensive season. He'll probably start taking more playing time from Theriot as the season goes on.

This is pretty exciting, to see a young Cubs position player develop offensively.


It was Saturday. He worked a 10 pitch BB. Jill was keeping score for me as I was a little shaky, and for some reason my vertigo was acting up in the 500 level. She records each pitch (I don't), and I distinctly remember asking her, so how many pitches in that AB. She said 10.

His approach looks completely different from what I have seen before from him. Felix Pie should take notice.
   31. Shoebo Posted: April 21, 2008 at 04:10 PM (#2752988)
I was sure that #14 was a parody, a joke. I clicked on the user name to see the profile, and expected to see some longtime primate with 10 gazillion posts. But #14 is for real, isn't it? Wow.



If those numbers are right defensively, Hanley is the best player in baseball. His defense has been really bad the last two years but he has the tools to be good. Those numbers could be right because they Tulo and Reyes well and everyone thinks they are good.


I haven't seen any Marlins games yet, so I have no idea how he looks, but I was listening to Tim Kurjian on the radio just the other day and he was raving about how much Hanley's D has improved. I was skeptical so went and looked him up at THT and was pretty surprised to see that.

Like you said, if the numbers are right, he's the best player in the game right now. EDIT: Of course it's only 3 weeks worth of baseball, so the numbers really can't tell us much.
   32. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: April 21, 2008 at 04:29 PM (#2753006)
Dudes, its a trap. Don't lower your IQ.
   33. Hack Wilson Posted: April 21, 2008 at 04:33 PM (#2753016)
I still like BadNews more than Mariotti.

And I did trim my sideburns.
   34. Dan Szymborski Posted: April 21, 2008 at 04:34 PM (#2753017)
Yeah, #14 is for real.

Given the "intelligence" level of Bad News Cubs, I'm disturbingly intrigued to see what would happen if he actually declined into self-parody.
   35. Jeff K. Posted: April 21, 2008 at 04:47 PM (#2753045)
Of course it's only 3 weeks worth of baseball, so the numbers really can't tell us much.

#### you you dirty ############# ########## and stick your shitty ####### "small sample size" ######## right back up your ass where it ############# belongs.
   36. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 21, 2008 at 04:49 PM (#2753052)
I haven't seen any Marlins games yet, so I have no idea how he looks, but I was listening to Tim Kurjian on the radio just the other day and he was raving about how much Hanley's D has improved. I was skeptical so went and looked him up at THT and was pretty surprised to see that.

FWIW, Hanley looks better out there this year. Last year I fel sorry for Marlins pitchers, but he seems much more comfortable.
   37. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: April 21, 2008 at 04:49 PM (#2753054)
#### you you dirty ############# ########## and take your shitty ####### "small sample size" ######## right back up your ass where it ############# belongs.
Well, let's hope it doesn't come to that.
   38. bunyon Posted: April 21, 2008 at 04:50 PM (#2753057)
Someone should tell him that no Primates ever RTFA.
   39. Dan Szymborski Posted: April 21, 2008 at 05:11 PM (#2753090)
Someone should tell him that no Primates ever RTFA.

Actually, people should be careful about reading his articles. If we are in fact living in a false vacuum, the dumb particles generated from a thousand people simultaneously reading his thoughts could very well trigger a vacuum metastability event, ending our existence.
   40. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: April 21, 2008 at 05:36 PM (#2753136)
You quasi-scientists, non athletes...


Hey, I competed in a beer-pong tourney on Saturday, a kickball game on Sunday, AND walked to the train station this morning. I'm a freakin' triathlete.
   41. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 21, 2008 at 05:42 PM (#2753147)
Hey, I competed in a beer-pong tourney on Saturday, a kickball game on Sunday, AND walked to the train station this morning. I'm a freakin' triathlete.

But if you were any good at the former, no way could you have competed in the latter two events. Amateur!
   42. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory) Posted: April 21, 2008 at 06:34 PM (#2753216)
a thousand people simultaneously reading his thoughts could very well trigger a vacuum metastability event, ending our existence

Or we could just wait for the hadron collider to come online.
   43. 100 Years is Nothing Posted: April 21, 2008 at 07:34 PM (#2753256)
I have posted remarks at his blog and with his moderating rights, they somehow disappear. You cannot make fun of a man who is so vastly superior to all of mankind. That must be why most of his idiot posts have no comments, because I cannot see many folks agreeing with most of what he says.

I read it mainly for the humor element.
   44. The Bones McCoy of THT Posted: April 21, 2008 at 08:43 PM (#2753312)
I read it mainly for the humor element.


The rest are just rubbneckers.

Folks used to flock in huge numbers to Tyburn Tree to witness mass-hangings--today their descendants read Bad News Cubs.

Best Regards

John
   45. thetailor Posted: April 22, 2008 at 06:17 AM (#2753792)
#### you you dirty ############# ########## and take your shitty ####### "small sample size" ######## right back up your ass where it ############# belongs.


I don't think anyone is going to top that one.

You're right. I haven't been able to crack 90 on the gun since my labrum surgery.


I was actually thinking how varied the experience of the people here are. It seems like there are some former ballers, some pure statheads, etc. It's a pretty diverse, and therefore, a little fairer.
   46. Phil Coorey is a T-Shirt Salesman Posted: April 22, 2008 at 07:23 AM (#2753800)
Badnewscubs has over 70 posts here. Any chance I can get a link to all the others???
   47. An Athletic in Powderhorn™ Posted: April 22, 2008 at 10:38 AM (#2753810)
The first BadNews thread.

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