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Tuesday, October 23, 2012

The best fans in baseball are having a major meltdown.

Cardinals fans are known the world over as the best fans in baseball. This is, of course, indisputable but it makes what has to be a fandom-wide psychotic break after watching their beloved Cardinals get shellacked by the Giants in Game 7 of the NLCS troubling indeed.

The Chronicles of Reddick Posted: October 23, 2012 at 11:58 AM | 68 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. PS is probably going to lose his mind Posted: October 23, 2012 at 03:01 PM (#4280743)
Are the Cardinals even ranked? Who would be the best fans in baseball?

Oakland must be high for the bacon day alone.
   2. Voros McCracken of Pinkus Posted: October 23, 2012 at 03:07 PM (#4280751)
The Marlins fans are. Both of them.
   3. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: October 23, 2012 at 03:14 PM (#4280758)
One of the many things I hate about social media is "news stories" operating under the assumption that a few jackasses represent the majority of a group.
   4. Tom Nawrocki Posted: October 23, 2012 at 03:21 PM (#4280762)
But it's the best meltdown in baseball.
   5. Into the Void Posted: October 23, 2012 at 03:23 PM (#4280765)
I made the mistake of browsing the comment section of Viva El Birdos last night. One guy (who seemed to be on the verge of tears) came up with this gem "Marco Scutaro was slide into really hard in Game 2. Somehow because of this, his 10 year career of mediocrity trumps the fact that Carlos Beltran has been one of the greatest players in the game for 10 years and has not been able to get into the World Series." Besides that I also learned that ALL Giants fans are CLEARLY idiots. Good stuff.
   6. cardsfanboy Posted: October 23, 2012 at 03:28 PM (#4280768)
One of the many things I hate about social media is "news stories" operating under the assumption that a few jackasses represent the majority of a group.


Yep, on my facebook page I had about 20 people all post positive comments about the loss, I think that is more indicative of the fan base than these #### faces.
   7. Fernigal McGunnigle has become a merry hat Posted: October 23, 2012 at 03:31 PM (#4280772)
I dunno, I thought the tweet from Ricky Barry was right on the money.
   8. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: October 23, 2012 at 03:31 PM (#4280773)
Worst fans in baseball.
   9. cardsfanboy Posted: October 23, 2012 at 03:33 PM (#4280776)
San Francisco has so many fags that the Giants PA announcer is a chick


This is what I find funny. It's like rednecks who like wrestling calling people fags. I would assume if men are actually in power, and they are given a choice, all things being equal, a hetero man would hire the female before a male, while the "gay" guy would hire the male.
   10. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 23, 2012 at 03:38 PM (#4280784)
I dunno, I thought the tweet from Ricky Barry was right on the money.

I'm afraid I don't see the appeal of Twitter. Don't you have to spend a lot of time skipping over or filtering out crap like that referenced in the article?
   11. cardsfanboy Posted: October 23, 2012 at 03:39 PM (#4280786)
I'm afraid I don't see the appeal of Twitter. Don't you have to spend a lot of time skipping over or filtering out crap like that referenced in the article?


You get to choose who to follow, so if you get to choose which idiots you want to follow.
   12. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: October 23, 2012 at 03:39 PM (#4280787)
Brewers fans are the wurst fans in baseball.
Yankees/Mets fans are the woist fans in baseball.
   13. Nasty Nate Posted: October 23, 2012 at 03:48 PM (#4280792)
Brewers fans are the wurst fans in baseball.
Yankees/Mets fans are the woist fans in baseball.


Eh, Nationals fans are Werth.
   14. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: October 23, 2012 at 03:49 PM (#4280793)
I'm afraid I don't see the appeal of Twitter. Don't you have to spend a lot of time skipping over or filtering out crap like that referenced in the article?


I've found it fairly useful but I follow a relatively small group of people. I don't get the regular individuals just posting their random thoughts on the day (sort of a streamlined Facebook) and even some of the media types do that too. The folks I like generally post quick bits of info or links to articles they've written.
   15. Famous Original Joe C Posted: October 23, 2012 at 03:54 PM (#4280799)
I'm afraid I don't see the appeal of Twitter. Don't you have to spend a lot of time skipping over or filtering out crap like that referenced in the article?


Yeah, I use it to follow some comedians and a few sportswriter types, maybe 75 people total. I hardly ever actually "tweet" anything. If you keep the number of people you follow low (and generally keep it away from any "regular" people, so to speak), the signal to noise ratio is actually pretty good.
   16. Tippecanoe Posted: October 23, 2012 at 03:56 PM (#4280803)
I've been a Cards fan for over four decades, and I'd like to state here and now that my drunken rampage of vandalism last night was quite limited. Really, nothing like '85.
   17. Derb Posted: October 23, 2012 at 04:02 PM (#4280820)
I've been pleasantly surprised with Royals fans, as well. The reception they gave Miguel Cabrera after he won the Triple Crown was awesome. How many times does an opposing player get a curtain call? They recognized history. Maybe it's the state of Missouri that has the best fans?

On the flip side, the A's fans were booing the Tigers when they were celebrating their ALCS victory. Whatever happened to politely applauding the victor in a close series?
   18. zonk Posted: October 23, 2012 at 04:03 PM (#4280823)


Yeah, I use it to follow some comedians and a few sportswriter types, maybe 75 people total. I hardly ever actually "tweet" anything. If you keep the number of people you follow low (and generally keep it away from any "regular" people, so to speak), the signal to noise ratio is actually pretty good.


Yup.

I have a few normal people that I follow that I find entertaining as well... or - at least, used to. I had two twitter accounts - one for work (we actually use it quite a bit internally for conferences and such; it has its merits as a mobile IM) and another personal and I made an error and merged the accounts... Fortunately, I always operate under the assumption that anything I say digitally will inevitably come back to bite me, so nothing I tweeted was egregious, but untangling my mess has been a real pain.
   19. zonk Posted: October 23, 2012 at 04:04 PM (#4280826)
I've been a Cards fan for over four decades, and I'd like to state here and now that my drunken rampage of vandalism last night was quite limited. Really, nothing like '85.


We Cubs fans call those "weekends".
   20. Walt Davis Posted: October 23, 2012 at 04:11 PM (#4280844)
Us Cub fans is unemployed bums, drunken frat boys and Lincoln Park Trixies and we don't take on any airs about it.

   21. Fernigal McGunnigle has become a merry hat Posted: October 23, 2012 at 04:16 PM (#4280854)
I'm afraid I don't see the appeal of Twitter. Don't you have to spend a lot of time skipping over or filtering out crap like that referenced in the article?


I follow a friend of mine who's constantly hilarious and also a series of local food trucks and restaurants. I get five or six good one-liners a day, plus up-to-the-minute information about good chow. Twitter is really useful so long as you don't follow idiots.
   22. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: October 23, 2012 at 04:16 PM (#4280855)
Us Cub fans is unemployed bums, drunken frat boys and Lincoln Park Trixies and we don't take on any airs about it.


I remember hearing that you're also ############# and ########### who oughta go out and get a ######' job and find out what it's like to go out and earn a ######' living.
   23. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: October 23, 2012 at 04:20 PM (#4280864)
On the flip side, the A's fans were booing the Tigers when they were celebrating their ALCS victory. Whatever happened to politely applauding the victor in a close series?

They booed when the A's left the field.
Then started chanting "Let's go Oakland!" until the A's players relented and came back out of the dugout.
Then stayed and cheered for another 20-30 minutes while the A's players took bows, hugged each other, and went around the whole ballpark high-fiving fans.
The Tigers were kind of irrelevant to the whole thing. It was awesome.
   24. dr. scott Posted: October 23, 2012 at 04:29 PM (#4280880)
Funny I dont remember the booing... I just remember people in the front seats getting lots of batting gloves, and everything else that Fred mentioned.
   25. zonk Posted: October 23, 2012 at 04:39 PM (#4280899)

I remember hearing that you're also ############# and ########### who oughta go out and get a ######' job and find out what it's like to go out and earn a ######' living.


We are the 15%, ############!
   26. Don Malcolm Posted: October 23, 2012 at 04:39 PM (#4280901)
The positive thing about Twitter is that it forces folk to confine their infantilism to 160 characters.

Cards fans have endured more lost 3-games-to-1 leads than anyone else (four). Theory: until your team coughs up enough such leads to be entered into elementary school, the fans will behave like babies whenever it happens.

Royals fans, who've been stranded in the wilderness for lo these many years, still have one feat that belongs to their team and their team alone: two comebacks from a 3-games-to-1 deficit in the same postseason.
   27. Pat Rapper's Delight Posted: October 23, 2012 at 04:51 PM (#4280917)
Brewers fans are the wurst fans in baseball.
Yankees/Mets fans are the woist fans in baseball.


Mariners fans are the 6th best in baseball.

[Ducks for cover]
   28. robinred Posted: October 23, 2012 at 04:56 PM (#4280926)
Brewers fans are the wurst fans in baseball.
Yankees/Mets fans are the woist fans in baseball.

Mariners fans are the 6th best in baseball.


I like all of these.
   29. robinred Posted: October 23, 2012 at 04:57 PM (#4280931)
Nats fans are the best in baseball, but they shut down after 160 games.
   30. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: October 23, 2012 at 05:01 PM (#4280939)
Funny I dont remember the booing... I just remember people in the front seats getting lots of batting gloves, and everything else that Fred mentioned.

I didn't remember it either, but, OK, some people booed for like 10-15 seconds. And THEN the place went right back to A's-mania.
Video.
   31. The Chronicles of Reddick Posted: October 23, 2012 at 05:18 PM (#4280960)
A's fans are the best in baseball but their **** doesnt work in the playoffs either.

The Red Sox fans errr ahhh the waurst fans in baseball.
   32. UCCF Posted: October 23, 2012 at 05:37 PM (#4280990)
Teehee. Teeheehee.
   33. robinred Posted: October 23, 2012 at 05:53 PM (#4281000)
Reds' fans are the best in baseball, because we never bet on the Reds to lose.
   34. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: October 23, 2012 at 06:33 PM (#4281038)
Nats fans are the best in baseball, but they shut down after 160 games.

Red Sox fans are the best in baseball until the All-Star game, then they totally collapse down the stretch and turn into sniveling little pants-pissers. Wait, that's not really funny because its the truth!
   35. Ray (RDP) Posted: October 23, 2012 at 06:40 PM (#4281047)
The Cardinals were the clutchiest of clutch last year in the postseason. This year? They blew a 3-1 NLCLS lead.

Are people prepared to argue that the Cardinals are chokers? That David Freese is? Freese hit .192 in the NLCS this year.
   36. The Mighty Quintana Posted: October 23, 2012 at 06:51 PM (#4281059)
Limp Bizkit fans are the Durst fans in music.

sorry



   37. Spahn Insane Posted: October 23, 2012 at 07:46 PM (#4281100)
Cardinal fans' jumping on David Freese after last year's world series takes some....I dunno, "balls" doesn't seem like the right word. Seriously. If that'd been the Cubs in the Cardinals position last year, I'm thinking Freese would've bought himself, if not a lifetime of good will with me, certainly more than a year's worth.
   38. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: October 23, 2012 at 08:20 PM (#4281105)
Royals fans, who've been stranded in the wilderness for lo these many years, still have one feat that belongs to their team and their team alone: two comebacks from a 3-games-to-1 deficit in the same postseason.

What's the difference between a 3-to-1 lead in a 7-game series and a 2-0 lead in a 5-game series?
   39. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: October 23, 2012 at 08:43 PM (#4281117)
What's the difference between a 3-to-1 lead in a 7-game series and a 2-0 lead in a 5-game series?

Nothing if your opponent is the 2012 SF Giants!
   40. JE (Jason Epstein) Posted: October 23, 2012 at 08:50 PM (#4281122)
Didn't many Cards fans at Busch cheer Zito for his game five performance?
   41. dr. scott Posted: October 23, 2012 at 09:16 PM (#4281135)
I liked this quote in the comments... any Card fans want to comment on its possible accruacy?

"I'm from St. Louis and this whole "best fans in baseball" started in the 80's. The Cardinals had absolutely no power hitters in the 80's (exception being Jack Clark for a couple of years) So fans would go ape #### for any offense stolen bases, advancing the runner, etc.. So sports writers from other cities would witness this fan behavior and say wow these fans really understand the nuisances of the game. When in reality people were just applauding the only offense the Cardinals had."
   42. Mayor Blomberg Posted: October 23, 2012 at 09:32 PM (#4281145)
wow these fans really understand the nuisances of the game


heh
   43. cardsfanboy Posted: October 23, 2012 at 09:58 PM (#4281163)
"I'm from St. Louis and this whole "best fans in baseball" started in the 80's. The Cardinals had absolutely no power hitters in the 80's (exception being Jack Clark for a couple of years) So fans would go ape #### for any offense stolen bases, advancing the runner, etc.. So sports writers from other cities would witness this fan behavior and say wow these fans really understand the nuisances of the game. When in reality people were just applauding the only offense the Cardinals had."


Not really accurate, yes the description of the team is accurate, but not the origin or genesis of the best fans in baseball 'meme'. Nationally you have about half a dozen teams that consistently got good attendance year in year out in the 80's and 90's, and there were some already established stereotypes on some of those fans. The Dodgers fans arrived late and left early, the Cubs were a drunken lot, the New York fans were New Yorkers, Philly, Boston etc... In comparison, St Louis fans were plentiful, but 'somber', not really as rowdy as the other fans. They would cheer small things, including the opposition on good plays or performance. It wasn't the entire stadium going up in a standing ovation for the small things, but due to the relatively quieter crowd noise in comparison to other filled stadiums, a few hundred people applauding a good performance/small thing got noticed by the press. After getting noticed,(and before McGwire ruined the quality of the crowds) it became a self renewing cycle. The press would say good things about the fans, the fans in time continued to improve on the things that the press was complimenting them on..... New acquisition gets a base hit- standing Ovation became the norm, Clutch homerun--standing ovation, great game--standing ovation, hit into a double play to score a run--standing ovation(to the point it became a joke) eventually to the point that a new acquisition was worshipped for the first week or so on the team. Etc...Other teams would also compliment the stadium/fans and the press would pick it up. It's like when something bad happens in another stadium, it gets a one paragraph article and never mentioned again, if it happens in Philly, it gets repeated over and over. St Louis is the opposite way.


The best fans in baseball moniker is there because Sporting News declared it, based upon the perception of the fans. They are plentiful(as far as I know of, the Cardinals have the second most seasons with over 3 mil attendance and it used to be commented 3 mil attendance with a 2.5mil fanbase) They are nice(less booing than other big attended teams, more cheering of the small stuff and usually less grief given to the opposition, on average) they are "knowledgeable" which to the big media means they have a large percentage keeping score, their ratings are consistently the top 5 etc..

Some of the cheering the fundamentals is something that used to be norm at most stadiums in the past, it didn't happen because the Cardinals could only generate offense with small ball, it happened because it didn't go out of style in St Louis when there became an influx of new fans. (well for the most part,again the McGwire crowd hurt a lot of that)
   44. rlc Posted: October 23, 2012 at 10:36 PM (#4281179)

Brewers fans are the wurst fans in baseball.
Yankees/Mets fans are the woist fans in baseball.


Mariners fans are the 6th best in baseball.


Angels/Padres fans are the blest fans in baseball.
Gnats fans are the pest fans in baseball.
   45. Ray (RDP) Posted: October 23, 2012 at 10:48 PM (#4281187)
Cardinal fans' jumping on David Freese after last year's world series takes some....I dunno, "balls" doesn't seem like the right word. Seriously. If that'd been the Cubs in the Cardinals position last year, I'm thinking Freese would've bought himself, if not a lifetime of good will with me, certainly more than a year's worth.


ARod led Jeter to a World Series and it didn't give him any lifetime cred.
   46. Joltin' Joe Orsulak Posted: October 23, 2012 at 10:59 PM (#4281197)
O's and Jays fans are the nest fans in baseball.

When it comes to fans of particular players, Nick Johnson's are the wrist.

   47. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: October 23, 2012 at 10:59 PM (#4281198)

Cardinal fans' jumping on David Freese after last year's world series takes some....I dunno, "balls" doesn't seem like the right word.

Chutzpah.
   48. Joltin' Joe Orsulak Posted: October 23, 2012 at 11:00 PM (#4281200)
Mariners fans are the 6th best in baseball.


Sorry, could someone explain this one to me? Maybe I'm just dense. It seems like one of those jokes that would be really funny if I got it.
   49. KT's Pot Arb Posted: October 23, 2012 at 11:08 PM (#4281206)
I follow a friend of mine who's constantly hilarious and also a series of local food trucks and restaurants. I get five or six good one-liners a day, plus up-to-the-minute information about good chow.


So there is someone who actually gets value out of Twitter!

Twitter is really useful so long as you don't follow idiots.


Sorry, that's too damn hard.
   50. Sleepy supports unauthorized rambling Posted: October 23, 2012 at 11:08 PM (#4281207)
FWIW, Cardinals team OPS+, 1980-1990:

100, 100, 95, 99, 90, 100, 76, 89, 85, 93, 87

Over that period, they finished 1st in the NL in runs scored per game twice, and second in the NL, twice.

Also, fifth, twice, 7th, 11th twice, and 12th once.

Anyway, are any cards fans really freaking out? I'm isolated, living in SF, and I haven't been on the web, but I'm sure it's no worse than what went on in any of the other sbnation sites for teams like the Yankees, Nats, etc. Aside from being a little cranky at the locals who shouted rude things out their windows at me while jogging in my ankiel shersey, this is the least upset I've ever been after a playoff loss. We were playing with house money for the second year in a row, fer chrissake ;)
   51. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: October 23, 2012 at 11:16 PM (#4281212)
Mariners fans are the 6th best in baseball.
Sorry, could someone explain this one to me? Maybe I'm just dense. It seems like one of those jokes that would be really funny if I got it.


I hate it when people like Joltin' Joe Orsulak and Albert Belle don't get BTF meme/jokes
   52. Howie Menckel Posted: October 23, 2012 at 11:21 PM (#4281215)

"Twitter is really useful so long as you don't follow idiots."

yes, and calling it useless is more revelatory than critics realize.

even if you follow someone and then decide 4 hours later that they are annoying, one keystroke removes that twit from your life forever if you choose.

no sentient being would not benefit from following at least one person on Twitter who provides useful info to that sentient being.
   53. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: October 23, 2012 at 11:34 PM (#4281224)
ARod led Jeter to a World Series and it didn't give him any lifetime cred.

Not even Cardinal fans have the Yankee fan entitlement complex, though.
   54. cardsfanboy Posted: October 23, 2012 at 11:46 PM (#4281228)
Anyway, are any cards fans really freaking out?


Not one that I've met or talked to.

We were playing with house money for the second year in a row, fer chrissake ;)


That seems to be the majority of the sentiment that I've seen.
   55. Howie Menckel Posted: October 24, 2012 at 12:01 AM (#4281238)

moving on to 2013
   56. VoodooR Posted: October 24, 2012 at 12:03 AM (#4281240)
If anyone should ever have a lifetime pass from a fanbase it would be David Freese in STL... and I imagine he does and will continue to have such a pass.

But there are some examples of fanbases turning rather quickly on guys with recent October heroism. Didn't Mark Bellhorn get booed out of Boston in June 2005?
   57. cardsfanboy Posted: October 24, 2012 at 12:06 AM (#4281247)
what is this house money of which you speak?


It means we were lucky enough to be there. Which is what your previous lines were pointing out.
   58. Sleepy supports unauthorized rambling Posted: October 24, 2012 at 12:07 AM (#4281248)
Not one that I've met or talked to.


That's a shame. You'd think "the best fans in baseball" would be more upset about coming that close and missing. Bunch of apathetic bastards.

:)
   59. cardsfanboy Posted: October 24, 2012 at 12:07 AM (#4281249)
There is always next year.
   60. Joltin' Joe Orsulak Posted: October 24, 2012 at 12:09 AM (#4281250)
sweet, thanks
   61. Dan Evensen Posted: October 24, 2012 at 01:04 AM (#4281270)
Mariners fans are the 6th best in baseball.

Sorry, could someone explain this one to me? Maybe I'm just dense. It seems like one of those jokes that would be really funny if I got it.


You must be new here. Actually, judging from your profile, you probably missed the Dave Cameron 6th Best Team in Baseball thing on Fangraphs a few years back. I don't have the time or energy (or desire) to wade through Fangraphs to find the original post, but this at least references it. It's been a meme here ever since.

As you may know, Cameron is kind of a polarizing figure in the community. He emobides everything that I dislike about Baseball Prospectus, and USS Mariner has been famous for quelling dissenting opinions on its forums (which I still find absolutely bizarre).

Now that ZiPS is moving to Fangraphs, will we see a BBTF - Fangraphs rivalry similar to the Prospects - Hardball Times rivalry of a few years back?

By the way, somebody should put this meme up on Wiki Gonzalez. Does anybody even read that anymore? Is that even legal?
   62. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: October 24, 2012 at 01:08 AM (#4281271)
But there are some examples of fanbases turning rather quickly on guys with recent October heroism. Didn't Mark Bellhorn get booed out of Boston in June 2005?

He shouldn't have been booed, but in fairness - and I say this as a huge Bellhorn fan - he was awful for the Red Sox in 2005. And for every season of his career other than 2002 and 2004.
   63. Jim Wisinski Posted: October 24, 2012 at 01:59 AM (#4281279)
Rays fans are the SPEAK UP SONNY I CAN'T HEAR YOU
   64. vortex of dissipation Posted: October 24, 2012 at 03:03 AM (#4281281)
By the way, somebody should put this meme up on Wiki Gonzalez. Does anybody even read that anymore? Is that even legal?


The page What is a vortex of dissipation? has been accessed 4,165 times. Good grief!
   65. Worrierking Posted: October 24, 2012 at 09:50 AM (#4281361)
I've been a Cards fan for over four decades, and I'd like to state here and now that my drunken rampage of vandalism last night was quite limited. Really, nothing like '85.


My gang of hooligans managed to overturn a couple of squad cars in spite of the tear gas and water cannon. The other rioters applauded politely.

Why am I always late to these highly-entertaining threads?
   66. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: October 24, 2012 at 12:18 PM (#4281496)
The page What is a vortex of dissipation? has been accessed 4,165 times. Good grief!

Well, gotta find something to do to pass the time...
   67. Dale Sams Posted: October 24, 2012 at 12:35 PM (#4281513)
The Red Sox fans errr ahhh the waurst fans in baseball.


No, no. Sox fans are the worser in baseball.
   68. Up2Drew Posted: October 24, 2012 at 02:39 PM (#4281662)
I remember going to White Sox games with my dad back in the sixties, when I was a little boy.

It was a common practice to applaud the opposing pitcher in his last at-bat when he had thrown a good game.

I thought that was very cool, even when I was six or seven years old.

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