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Tuesday, April 23, 2019

The Bronx Is Hurting

The Yankees stand out for two reasons. The first is that most of the teams with 13 or more players on the IL at once reached their injury peak near midseason, which makes sense—players’ bodies wear down as the season goes on. The Yankees are one of just two teams since 2002 to put 13 players on the IL in April.

The second reason is the quality of players they have on the shelf at once. Like Judge, their list of IL’d players is not only large, but quite productive. If the Yankees could put together the best 10-player lineup (eight position players, DH, starting pitcher), eight of those players, plus another member of their rotation (Montgomery) and their setup man (Betances), are currently on the IL.

A sad, lost penguin wandering the tundra, dreaming Posted: April 23, 2019 at 12:45 PM | 39 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: April 24, 2019 at 08:32 AM (#5834785)
I had never heard of 4 players in the Yankees' lineup yesterday. Of course I never heard of 3 of the Angels either.
   2. rconn23 Posted: April 24, 2019 at 10:33 AM (#5834807)
They have second best run differential in the AL. That's pretty crazy. The starting pitching has been excellent and there will be some regression there - mainly from German - but none of the bats have been exceeding expectations with the exception of Frazier. Gardner is having one of his hot streaks at the right time.

Torres has been ice cold, DJ LeMahieu has quickly turned into the below average hitter we all knew he would be. Guys like Tauchman and Urshela have had a few timely hits, but nothing crazy. The big story is Voit. I thought he was just an AAAA hitter, but he's on pace for about 100 walks and 49 home runs.
   3. . . . . . . Posted: April 24, 2019 at 10:40 AM (#5834809)
I still think the Yanks draft / low minors scouting is merely good, but their high-minors / MLB scouting is by far the best in baseball. They take warmed over leftovers from other organizations and turn them into above average MLB players, and they're not just using the standard elixir of launch angle and what not. It's much deeper and creates more value, because they're not chasing the usual turnaround suspects.
   4. GeoffB Posted: April 24, 2019 at 10:53 AM (#5834816)
Fun facts: The Yankees have 175 homers (2018 nos.) sitting on the IR:

Sanchez - 18
Bird - 11
Didi - 27
Andujar - 27
Hicks - 27
Judge - 27
Stanton - 38

Could that be a record (albeit a very weird one)?

Edit: And, even in spite of this, the Yankees are on a pace to hit 289 home runs this season, breaking the record-setting 267 that they hit last season. (Clearly, they won't likely do this as the Frazier, Gardner, and Voit totals to date are not sustainable, but ...
   5. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: April 24, 2019 at 02:17 PM (#5834899)
My favorite 37 second highlight, complete with graphic: The Yankees Opening Day lineup, side-by-side with their lineup from three days ago.

And even that's understating the comparison, since by Opening Day the Yanks were already missing Hicks, Severino and Betances.

No team in MLB history has ever had as many injuries to as many key players at the same time. And yet the haters still hate.
   6. A sad, lost penguin wandering the tundra, dreaming Posted: April 24, 2019 at 02:25 PM (#5834904)
and there will be some regression there - mainly from German


Command, friend, command.

He has elite stuff ... loose, easy, nasty ... if he can command.

He walked 5 in his first start ... he hasn't walked 5 total since (albeit against less than stellar oppos).

That 2-seam fastball against RHB is pure ####### filth. If he can command ... or at least fake it well enough.
   7. Nasty Nate Posted: April 24, 2019 at 02:29 PM (#5834907)
Sanchez is being activated.
   8. A sad, lost penguin wandering the tundra, dreaming Posted: April 24, 2019 at 02:32 PM (#5834910)
The big story is Voit. I thought he was just an AAAA hitter, but he's on pace for about 100 walks and 49 home runs.


Don't think he'll ever hit for anything close to the average he showed last season, but his eyes at the plate are legit* (his power goes without saying). Like me some Voit.

Still's a DH in a 1st baseman's body, though ...

*Which is why I never thought he was a Kevin Maas/Shelley Duncan flash-in-the-pan ... that at bat against Treinen was an example of a stone-cold hitter.


Treinen threw nine pitches to Voit. The first eight were sinkers averaging 96.7 miles per hour. Voit fouled off four of them, including pitches six, seven, and eight, overmatched, barely staying alive. Pitch nine was a slider, and pitch nine Voit walloped all the way to the top of the rightfield wall. With Stanton on second (having stolen a base), and Aaron Hicks on third, the fly ball was bound to score two runs.

Problem was, Voit thought his hit was bound to score three. He dropped his bat, crow-hopped toward first, and pointed skyward with his right arm. He hadn’t made it halfway down the basepath when he realized the error of his optimism. “When it hit the wall, I panicked,” he said. He’s a below-average runner, even for a first baseman. But when it’s the biggest hit of your life, as Voit acknowledged it was, you can haul some ass. Treinen hadn’t allowed a triple all year; Voit had never hit a triple in the big leagues. When the ball finally made its way home after a tough bounce in right field, though, Voit was standing on third, bashing elbows with coach Phil Nevin, screaming “F— yeah!”

The Yankee faithful bellowed his name—Luuuuuuuke!—in the manner they had all September, fortissimo this time. “The Luke chants were louder than they’d ever been. It was awesome,” he said. “Words can’t describe it; it’s almost like a Christmas morning kind of thing.”


LOVE me some Voit, the big goofus.
   9. Jose is an Absurd Kahuna Posted: April 24, 2019 at 02:39 PM (#5834912)
I think Voit is a guy who really benefits from NYS. Not because of the short porch but because it really incentivizes him to stay closed and go the other way. He's country strong so when he's not flying open the ball just explodes for him and he builds good habits. It's kind the same thing you see with lefties in Boston.
   10. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: April 24, 2019 at 03:02 PM (#5834914)
No team in MLB history has ever had as many injuries to as many key players at the same time. And yet the haters still hate.


Whatever you say, Mr. President. #sad #unfair #failing #fakenews
   11. Commissioner Bud Black Beltre Hillman Fred Posted: April 24, 2019 at 03:11 PM (#5834921)
Thanks to this thread, I finally realized his name is Luke Voit, not Luke Volt.

He should really change that.
   12. Lassus Posted: April 24, 2019 at 03:45 PM (#5834947)
And yet the haters still hate.

Wah wah wah. And furthermore, wah.


When the Mets can't keep their players healthy: It's the Mets' medical and training staff's fault, har har when's the amputations?!?!?

When the Yankees can't keep their players healthy: OMG THE AMAZING HEART THEY SHOW DURING THIS AWFUL RUN OF BLAMELESS UNFORESEEN BAD LUCK!!!


Again, wah.
   13. The Yankee Clapper Posted: April 24, 2019 at 03:50 PM (#5834948)
In 249 PAs with Yankees, Voit is hitting .295/.386/.618, for a 1.003 OPS, 163 OPS+, with 21 HRs & 51 RBI. And he hasn’t been injured (KNOCK ON WOOD!!). No complaints.
   14. A sad, lost penguin wandering the tundra, dreaming Posted: April 24, 2019 at 03:54 PM (#5834951)
Thanks to this thread, I finally realized his name is Luke Voit, not Luke Volt.


I've been calling homeruns from Voit "Voit Volts" .. bet that confuses things!

;)
   15. Blastin Posted: April 24, 2019 at 03:55 PM (#5834953)
I knew the two Met fans would come up here and start pooping.


But the Yankees are playing really well with 6/9 starting players hurt. Imagine if they had their actual team.


And this author here really did calculate that literally no team has had as many WAR from the previous year on the IL at the same time, and never in April, either. So it's not hyperbole.
   16. Blastin Posted: April 24, 2019 at 03:58 PM (#5834955)
DJ LeMahieu has quickly turned into the below average hitter we all knew he would be


I think he'll be in between this and how he started. He'll be a fine, useful player altogether.
   17. Lassus Posted: April 24, 2019 at 03:58 PM (#5834956)
I knew the two Met fans would come up here and start pooping.

Identify the inaccuracy in my post and we'll talk, Marathon Man.
   18. Blastin Posted: April 24, 2019 at 04:07 PM (#5834965)
The Mets get made fun of for having a poor medical reputation and generally being poorly run under the Wilpons. So yes, sure, the Yankees get more credit than they should. There is some weirdness with the Yankees pitchers and their recovery of late.

But literally none of this disproves the fact that that's an unprecedented number of injured stars.
   19. A sad, lost penguin wandering the tundra, dreaming Posted: April 24, 2019 at 04:14 PM (#5834970)
and we'll talk, Marathon Man.


Is it safe?
   20. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: April 24, 2019 at 04:17 PM (#5834973)
The Yankees Opening Day lineup, side-by-side with their lineup from three days ago.

I, for one, am shocked that the Mystique and Aura of Yankee Pinstripes failed to imbue Giancarlo Stanton, Greg Bird, and Troy Tulowitzki with enough health to stay in the lineup through the end of April, much less the end of the season.
   21. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: April 24, 2019 at 04:18 PM (#5834975)
When the Mets can't keep their players healthy: It's the Mets' medical and training staff's fault, har har when's the amputations?!?!?

When the Yankees can't keep their players healthy: OMG THE AMAZING HEART THEY SHOW DURING THIS AWFUL RUN OF BLAMELESS UNFORESEEN BAD LUCK!!!


I've never said anything when the Mets suffered injuries, and I never would. Injuries just happen, and the only time I might withhold sympathy would be if the player were someone like Trevor Bauer.

But repeat: No team in history has ever had as many key players on the IL/DL at the same time as the Yankees have now. That's just simply a fact. The only time a team had been depleted of as many stars during a pennant race was when the 1911 Tigers all went out on strike when Ty Cobb got suspended.

(Screwed up my day, too: I was hoping to get all their autographs.)
   22. A sad, lost penguin wandering the tundra, dreaming Posted: April 24, 2019 at 04:24 PM (#5834977)
Smile
   23. Lassus Posted: April 24, 2019 at 04:28 PM (#5834983)
The only time a team had been depleted of as many stars during a pennant race

Er, what now?
   24. Tom Nawrocki Posted: April 24, 2019 at 04:39 PM (#5834990)
But repeat: No team in history has ever had as many key players on the IL/DL at the same time as the Yankees have now.


The study in the article goes back only to 2002.
   25. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: April 24, 2019 at 04:53 PM (#5834998)
The only time a team had been depleted of as many stars during a pennant race

Er, what now?


Come on, Lassus, leave that sort of pedantry to Nieporent and George Will. You know that baseball didn't begin in 1969.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

The study in the article goes back only to 2002.

Trust me, you could take it back to 1845 and you wouldn't find any comparable collection of injuries to key players.
   26. The Yankee Clapper Posted: April 24, 2019 at 08:21 PM (#5835051)
Couldn’t attempt this under the old 140 character limit:
Coley Harvey, ESPN Staff Writer
Some Yankees injury updates: Giancarlo Stanton had a left shoulder issue pop up while healing his left biceps (biceps have healed). He'll stay in SoCal this weekend after getting a cortisone shot earlier this week, rehab there, then rejoin Yanks next week in Arizona. Troy Tulowitzki and Aaron Hicks could be close to playing in games in Tampa. Miguel Andújar could get into some extended spring training game action this weekend (surgery seems like it ultimately won't be an option), Didi Gregorius threw from shortstop in Tampa recently, and is progressing. Hicks also has been making throws from the outfield and running the bases in Tampa.
   27. TVerik. Old Java Rodney. Posted: April 24, 2019 at 10:34 PM (#5835126)
Looks like Clint Frazier is down now.

How do you feel if you're Gio Gonzalez? This team can get you on it for free, essentially, but they say "no thanks".
   28. The Yankee Clapper Posted: April 24, 2019 at 11:08 PM (#5835138)
Wasn’t it $3M & $300K per start if the Yankees called Gio up?
   29. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: April 25, 2019 at 11:04 AM (#5835224)
[12]

And yet the haters still hate.

Wah wah wah. And furthermore, wah.


When the Mets can't keep their players healthy: It's the Mets' medical and training staff's fault, har har when's the amputations?!?!?

When the Yankees can't keep their players healthy: OMG THE AMAZING HEART THEY SHOW DURING THIS AWFUL RUN OF BLAMELESS UNFORESEEN BAD LUCK!!!


Again, wah.



This is the point I was trying to make a week ago...
   30. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: April 25, 2019 at 11:21 AM (#5835235)
And it's just as stupid now. None of us here were har haring the Mets' injury problems, and few Yankees fans even bother to hate the Mets. Why should they?
   31. A sad, lost penguin wandering the tundra, dreaming Posted: April 25, 2019 at 11:28 AM (#5835240)
Brian Cashman on the Gio situation:

He has no interest in being a reliever, and so now we’re staring at this opt-out, where he’s pitched well his last two outings, and I don’t have a starting spot for him. So it’s that or throw him in the bullpen and say hang with him. For an athlete that’s historically, outside of I think twice last year in the postseason run pitching out of the pen for Milwaukee, the dialogue I’ve had directly with him, as well as our own assessments, is it worth it to throw $3M into the bullpen and hope it works out? The contract was kind of prohibitive in that it had so many incentives geared up towards starting, so it wouldn’t have been a tradeable thing for any of these teams that are gonna sign him now as a starter. They’ll repackage or make a new deal, whatever that’s gonna be, but we had to ultimately honor the fact that he was a starter insurance arm for us, and when that insurance policy was expiring, we couldn’t cash in on it because I didn’t have a starting spot for him.”
   32. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: April 25, 2019 at 11:30 AM (#5835241)
[30]

And it's just as stupid now. None of us here were har haring the Mets' injury problems, and few Yankees fans even bother to hate the Mets. Why should they?


This has been my question for awhile now. But a lot do, more than you'd think, IMO.

And they all seem to be between the ages of 17 and 25 and show up at Citi Field when I'm there and the Mets are playing the Rockies...
   33. Hysterical & Useless Posted: April 25, 2019 at 11:33 AM (#5835244)
I dunno Charlie, maybe it's just you :-)
   34. Lassus Posted: April 25, 2019 at 11:53 AM (#5835247)
All respect, Andy, but given "here" being BTF, #30 is complete horseshit. The Mets medical staff has been a constant source of ridicule and amusement in many threads for the last 5 years at least. You can't take the reciprocal heat, go back to the poolroom.
   35. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: April 25, 2019 at 12:36 PM (#5835271)
I think we can all agree that given how much the Bronx is hurting, should the Yankees nevertheless prevail and get to the playoffs, they would deserve a hearty Bronx cheer.
   36. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: April 25, 2019 at 12:39 PM (#5835273)
Okay, I don't visit the Mets threads too often, so I may have missed the ridicule. All I can say in my defense is that I wouldn't have participated in it, but then I'm not between 17 and 25.

And there's a difference between asking for sympathy for the Yankees' current plight and simply noting its unprecedented nature. You can acknowledge the latter without indulging in the former.
   37. The Yankee Clapper Posted: April 25, 2019 at 01:42 PM (#5835301)
Meet Mr. Stopgap, Cameron Maybin. Only cost money, and probably not a factor when if Hicks & Frazier return in ~ 2 weeks. Asking a lot from the Magic of Pinstripes.
   38. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 25, 2019 at 01:49 PM (#5835304)
Meet Mr, Stopgap, Cameron Maybin.

Cameron Maybin seems like the pro-typical 25-28th best CF in MLB. Starter for a bad team. Decent 4th OF on a good one. Probably going to give you 1 WAR/600 PA. Very unlikely to kill you. Very unlikely to really help you.
   39. A sad, lost penguin wandering the tundra, dreaming Posted: April 25, 2019 at 03:19 PM (#5835353)
Johnny Lasagna back down to AAA to clear a spot for Maybin.

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