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The Case of Alex Rodriguez - CBS News

Here’s the 60 Minutes Arod segment:

Jim Furtado Posted: January 13, 2014 at 11:07 AM | 49 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: January 13, 2014 at 11:40 AM (#4637675)
I've only read the transcripts (haven't viewed the video), but I cannot help but feel it would confirm that Bosch is just lying through his teeth the entire time.
   2. Yastrzemski in left. Posted: January 13, 2014 at 12:33 PM (#4637724)
Hey Davo - How much did A-Rod's crack legal team pay you for this comment on BTF?
   3. Guapo Posted: January 13, 2014 at 01:00 PM (#4637759)
Anthony Bosch: You want to start the test and then introduce the urine cup into the stream and what you want to capture is the middle of the stream, not the beginning or not the end of the stream that was extremely important because most of the metabolites are either in the beginning of the stream or at the end of the stream.

Scott Pelley: It's that precise?

Anthony Bosch: It's that precise.


Somebody please tell me this is bullshit.
   4. JE (Jason) Posted: January 13, 2014 at 01:02 PM (#4637761)
Poz:
The trouble with liars, as the old line goes, is that they don’t have the decency to lie all the time. Somewhere in his parade of nonsense, paranoia and self-aggrandizement, it seems evident that Anthony Bosch told some truths about Alex Rodriguez and performance enhancing drugs. It just doesn’t seem practical for him to have made it all up. But to get to those truths, wherever they begin and end, you have to traverse a latrine of drivel, stupidity, delusion and a soul-crushing assault on the game of baseball.

The 60 Minutes report (Part I and Part II), in case you have not seen it yet, will make you dislike everyone more. Everyone. No matter how much you may dislike Alex Rodriguez, Tony Bosch, Bud Selig or Rob Manfred, it is guaranteed that by the end of this thing your opinions of them will have dropped substantially. You will like your dog less after seeing this thing.

Is it worth the trip?

Baseball decided: Yes. Absolutely it’s worth it. Why? Well, for an answer to that, you have to wait all the way to the end of the 60 Minutes report. ...

At the end of the 60 Minutes report, all is ugliness. A-Rod is guilty and lying, surely, Anthony Bosch seems a first-class lowlife, Rob Manfred comes across as Old Man Potter from “It’s a Wonderful Life,” and the only winner in the whole mess — THE ONLY WINNER — seems to be the drugs themselves, which apparently work miracles and, if used right, are undetectable.

So what point of all this again?

Scott Pelley ends the report like so: “And Bud Selig has announced his retirement from the game. Part of his legacy is the establishment of the toughest anti-doping rules in all of American pro sports.”

There it is. Bud Selig, who has been commissioner over the worst drug scandal to ever hit American sports, who presided over a game that ten years ago DID NOT TEST for drugs, got 60 Minutes to put that line at the end. Part of his legacy is this glorious chapter of buying papers from Bobby, threatening and paying off Boesch and nailing Alex Rodriguez.

Then report ended and only then, if you watch the Internet videos, do you get the biggest lesson of all. You get to see who sponsored the report.

Viagra.


Be more careful about what you say, Joe. And if nothing else, don't accept a free trip to Colombia from any A-Rod "associates."
   5. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 13, 2014 at 01:04 PM (#4637762)
I've only read the transcripts (haven't viewed the video), but I cannot help but feel it would confirm that Bosch is just lying through his teeth the entire time.


Hard to believe, considering this is a respected news operation like "60 Minutes." I doubt they'd ever put someone up there that was lying the whole time and not refute his story.
   6. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: January 13, 2014 at 01:06 PM (#4637765)
Anthony Bosch: One of his associates said, “Well you should, I think you should leave town. We're gonna get you a plane ticket to Colombia. We want you to stay there until this blows over. We’re gonna pay you.” I forgot what the number was, $25,000 or $20,000 a month. “Then when you come back, we'll, you know, we'll give you another $150,000.”

Scott Pelley: Rodriguez' people told you to go to Colombia?

Anthony Bosch: Colombia.

Scott Pelley: And they'd take care of you there?

Anthony Bosch: And they'd take care of me there.

Bosch says he was suspicious and turned down the offer.

(...)Tony Bosch told us after he turned down the “Colombia” offer, things got sinister. He says his ex-girlfriend received a text message, in Spanish, saying Bosch would not live to see the end of the year.

I mean, really?
   7. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: January 13, 2014 at 01:19 PM (#4637779)
4--that's a great piece by Poz, and pretty much sums up my feelings on the matter.
   8. Yeaarrgghhhh Posted: January 13, 2014 at 01:25 PM (#4637785)
It's sad...60 Minutes has turned into a joke.
   9. plim Posted: January 13, 2014 at 01:34 PM (#4637795)
   3. Guapo Posted: January 13, 2014 at 12:00 PM (#4637759)
Anthony Bosch: You want to start the test and then introduce the urine cup into the stream and what you want to capture is the middle of the stream, not the beginning or not the end of the stream that was extremely important because most of the metabolites are either in the beginning of the stream or at the end of the stream.

Scott Pelley: It's that precise?

Anthony Bosch: It's that precise.


Somebody please tell me this is ########.


IANAD (or lab technician), but I just took my physical and for the urine sample, the instructions actually said that - start peeing in the toilet, stop, then start peeing into the cup...

but it didn't say anything about ending in the cup.
   10. Ray (RDP) Posted: January 13, 2014 at 01:41 PM (#4637800)
Funny because "capture the middle of the stream" doesn't sound very "precise" to me at all.
   11. JE (Jason) Posted: January 13, 2014 at 01:41 PM (#4637801)
IANAD (or lab technician), but I just took my physical and for the urine sample, the instructions actually said that - start peeing in the toilet, stop, then start peeing into the cup...

but it didn't say anything about ending in the cup.

The only thing the nurse told me last week when I gave a urine sample was to fill up the cup at least 1/3 of the way ... and to flush afterward.
   12. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: January 13, 2014 at 01:50 PM (#4637813)
It's sad...60 Minutes has turned into a joke.


Why do you say that, exactly? The fact that they talk to Bosch, or just that they're covering the story?

It doesn't seem that bad to me, but then my level of interest in this doesn't go much further than centaur jokes and suspension length.
   13. NTP Nate Posted: January 13, 2014 at 01:57 PM (#4637822)
This story is going to make me pine for the dozen daily Hall of Fame voting threads.
   14. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: January 13, 2014 at 01:58 PM (#4637825)
Why do you say that, exactly?


The Benghazi story (based around a person who made the whole story up) and the NSA whitewash story. I didn't watch this, so I have no opinion on it, but 60 Minutes has lost a ton of credibility as an objective investigative reporting program very, very quickly.
   15. Ray (RDP) Posted: January 13, 2014 at 02:01 PM (#4637828)
Why do you say that, exactly? The fact that they talk to Bosch, or just that they're covering the story?


They didn't ask MLB various relevant questions, such as, why was ARod targeted for 211 games when the other Biogenesis players weren't? How do you get to 162 or 211 games under the JDA/CBA? If you're concerned about obstruction, Melky Cabrera set up a fake website in an attempt to avoid discipline; why did he get 0 extra games for that? How do you justify paying people/expected criminals whose names you don't even know $120,000 in a bag under the table? Did you report these payments to the IRS? How is paying small-time criminals for dirt on a player different from the conduct that got George Steinbrenner suspended two decades ago? Are you trying to break the union over the sports drugs issue? Is your end game to secure a hammer to effectively void guaranteed contracts with? Etc.
   16. Yeaarrgghhhh Posted: January 13, 2014 at 02:07 PM (#4637836)
The Benghazi story (based around a person who made the whole story up) and the NSA whitewash story. I didn't watch this, so I have no opinion on it, but 60 Minutes has lost a ton of credibility as an objective investigative reporting program very, very quickly.

Right. Especially Benghazi. That was just absurd.
   17. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 13, 2014 at 02:08 PM (#4637837)
The Benghazi story (based around a person who made the whole story up) and the NSA whitewash story. I didn't watch this, so I have no opinion on it, but 60 Minutes has lost a ton of credibility as an objective investigative reporting program very, very quickly.


Also their infomercials stories about GoPro and Amazon.com.
   18. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: January 13, 2014 at 02:09 PM (#4637840)
Ok, those criticisms seem fair, although calling them "a joke" seems a bit hyperbolic. Now that I think of it, I guess I haven't watched 60 Minutes in a while. I'm more of a Frontline guy these days.
   19. bunyon Posted: January 13, 2014 at 02:11 PM (#4637842)


IANAD (or lab technician), but I just took my physical and for the urine sample, the instructions actually said that - start peeing in the toilet, stop, then start peeing into the cup...

but it didn't say anything about ending in the cup.


Having peed in many cups in my life, the story I've gotten is that the first of the stream is, um, sort of contaminated by other stuff that might be lying around on at the tip of the urethra or maybe just inside the urethra. Basically, you don't know where that thing has been. So the first part of the stream just sort of cleans it out and after that it's just pure, clean piss.

The bit about the end of the stream is crap, if you'll pardon the expression.

Bosch is just making stuff up to sound smart, I think. Metabolites are fairly thoroughly mixed in.
   20. Guapo Posted: January 13, 2014 at 02:11 PM (#4637843)
If your conclusions about Alex Rodriguez are accurate, doesn't that suggest that your drug testing program is significantly flawed? Your star witness, Mr. Bosch, has asserted that he felt Alex Rodriguez was justified in using PEDs in order to compete in MLB, because drug use is so rampant in the sport. Do you believe he's telling the truth?
   21. Bob Tufts Posted: January 13, 2014 at 02:14 PM (#4637846)
Ray, you are asking people to be journalists. That's too hard a task for a J-school graduate! All media can do is find someone viewers see as horrid, fit certin facts to a preconceived premise, aim and fire.

I wish ARod had received the 50 games punishment. We wouldn't be dealing with increased CBA tension, added coverage of steroids in MLB (don't remember too many mentions of it during the NFL playoffs this weekend, legacies and the last of the centaur jokes.
   22. Ray (RDP) Posted: January 13, 2014 at 02:15 PM (#4637849)
Here's the Daily News's legal analyst. I think he's off base:

In terms of the federal case, I would think that while it is one thing to tell Francesa the arbitration process is unfair, a federal judge would want to see a sworn statement from A-Rod that he didn’t get PEDs from Bosch. If the Yankee testifies under oath or submits a sworn document that he didn’t take those drugs, and if he actually did, a criminal prosecution becomes a real possibility.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/i-team/harvey-a-rod-courts-trouble-legal-push-article-1.1577426


For starters, the judge is not going to re-try the case. Instead, he will want to know whether the punishment handed down is within the bounds of what is permitted by the CBA/JDA/law/precedent.

The legal analyst talks about process, and then says the judge will be overly interested in substance.

Also, plaintiffs who testify in civil litigation don't typically get investigated for perjury after telling their story.
   23. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: January 13, 2014 at 02:19 PM (#4637851)
Scott Pelley ends the report like so: “And Bud Selig has announced his retirement from the game. Part of his legacy is the establishment of the toughest anti-doping rules in all of American pro sports.”

This statement alone wipes away almost all credibility the report might have had. Like many media outlets now, 60 Minutes often carries water for the powerful.

Not to get all get off my lawny, but 80s Mike Wallace would have had chunks of guys like Bosch (*) in his stool.

(*) Self-evidently an inveterate liar and bought witness. Other than (maybe) confirming some contemporaneous emails, he's a worthless witness. And I say that as one who hates A-Rod's hay-eating guts.
   24. Ray (RDP) Posted: January 13, 2014 at 02:29 PM (#4637859)
Fangraphs' Wendy Thurm has better legal analysis. This basically matches what I had said for a couple months before the decision, where I said that the JDA itself doesn't give MLB power to discipline on the basis of "obstruction":

Section 7.G. of the JDA may also have come into play. That section, entitled “Other Violations” states in subsection (2):

A Player may be subject to disciplinary action for just cause by the Commissioner for any Player violation of Section 2 above not referenced in Section 7.A. through Section 7.F. above.

Section 2 is the provision that outlines all of the Prohibited Substances (Drugs of Abuse, Performance Enhancing Substances, and Stimulants) and details what players are permitted to do and not do with these substances. The first sentence of Section 2 reads:

All Players shall be prohibited from using, possessing, selling, facilitating the sale of, distributing and/or facilitating the distribution of any Drug of Abuse, Performance Enhancing Substance and/or Stimulant (collectively referred to as “Prohibited Substances).

There’s nothing in either Section 2 or Section 7 that says anything about MLB investigations into a player’s use, possession, sale or distribution of PEDs. Yes, Section 7.G.2. gives the Commissioner the power to discipline a player for “just cause” but only when a player otherwise violates Section 2. That’s a much more narrow “just cause” provision than the one in the CBA, which gives the Commissioner the power to suspend a player whose conduct is materially detrimental to baseball.

As a result, we know Selig relied on both the JDA and the CBA, but we don’t know how he reached 211 games.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/arbitrators-decision-on-rodriguez-suspension-leaves-bad-taste/

   25. Ray (RDP) Posted: January 13, 2014 at 02:32 PM (#4637861)
Thurm makes the point of why the players are in trouble here:

Indeed, the ambiguity of how the JDA applies to a non-analytical positive coupled with the “best interests of baseball” clause in the CBA leave players at the mercy of the commissioner’s office — the exact opposite of what the 50 game-100 game-lifetime ban punishment scheme had intended to accomplish.

If a player fights a suspension based on a positive test, is he acting against the best interests of baseball? If a player seeks evidence to counter a charge of a non-analytical positive, is he impeding MLB’s investigation? These are uncomfortable questions players and the MLBPA are now forced to confront.

   26. zonk Posted: January 13, 2014 at 02:35 PM (#4637867)
Ok, those criticisms seem fair, although calling them "a joke" seems a bit hyperbolic. Now that I think of it, I guess I haven't watched 60 Minutes in a while. I'm more of a Frontline guy these days.


They've had a really, really bad year -- and this hasn't exactly gotten their 2014 off to a 'turnaround' sort of start, given the holes folks have pointed out here and elsewhere.
   27. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 13, 2014 at 02:36 PM (#4637868)
Indeed, the ambiguity of how the JDA applies to a non-analytical positive coupled with the “best interests of baseball” clause in the CBA leave players at the mercy of the commissioner’s office — the exact opposite of what the 50 game-100 game-lifetime ban punishment scheme had intended to accomplish.

If a player fights a suspension based on a positive test, is he acting against the best interests of baseball? If a player seeks evidence to counter a charge of a non-analytical positive, is he impeding MLB’s investigation? These are uncomfortable questions players and the MLBPA are now forced to confront.



I was wondering if they will punish players who they have evidence of knowing a teammate was using, but failed to disclose it to MLB.
   28. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: January 13, 2014 at 02:37 PM (#4637871)
Is the public ever going to know how the arbitrator came to 162 games, and why he deemed Bosch credible enough to issue such a ruling? The lack of a publicly-issued opinion is highly suspicious.
   29. TRBMB Posted: January 13, 2014 at 03:05 PM (#4637893)
We may have to face the likelihood that the fight against performance enhancing drugs will never end (a certainty) and it can't be won (a strong possibility)

Given that, I propose the following, only somewhat in jest.

Let's have two major leagues. A Clean League, all players swearing off PEDS and being regularly tested to verify. A Dirty League, where PED use is not overtly banned, and no testing is done.

Then at season end, we have two pennant races conclude, pennant winners gained, final player stats achieved with full awareness of how may achieved, and then, a World Series. If the Clean League ever wins, although not likely, the sun will shine brightly. Plus, we have separate Hall of Fames, one based in Cooperstown, the other in Tijuana, another challenge solved. And separate record books.

No need to do this relative to the NFL. Everybody there would naturally need to be in the Dirty League. Plus, no one cares.
   30. Obo Posted: January 13, 2014 at 03:08 PM (#4637900)
One could be named the "National League" and the other the "American League". But which is which?
   31. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: January 13, 2014 at 03:16 PM (#4637906)
OK, does anyone know how the OOTP Baseball 2014 simulator will handle the A-Rod situation?
   32. fra paolo Posted: January 13, 2014 at 03:29 PM (#4637915)
Is the public ever going to know how the arbitrator came to 162 games...

Hasn't the arbitrator simply agreed the suspension issued by Commissioner Ahab? I don't think the number of games was at issue. the original suspension was from the point of the decision until the end of the next baseball season.

This is what really doesn't fit the CBA/JDA. I don't think the exact amount of games was even considered. It was 'I'm going to suspend that guy until 2015.'
   33. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 13, 2014 at 03:42 PM (#4637925)
One could be named the "National League" and the other the "American League". But which is which?


That's the twist!
   34. SoSH U at work Posted: January 13, 2014 at 03:47 PM (#4637928)
This is what really doesn't fit the CBA/JDA. I don't think the exact amount of games was even considered. It was 'I'm going to suspend that guy until 2015.'


That's what I thought, but Ray corrected me there. The 211 was the suspension. It was likely determined with the idea that it would run through the end of 2014, but as I now understand it, if Arod had opted to drop his appeal after 21 games played in 2013, that barring any deal, the suspension would have run into the 2015 season.

Now, this does highlight the question of what was the basis for arriving at 211 games, because "That's the day I decided to issue my ruling" doesn't seem to be easily supportable.

   35. fra paolo Posted: January 13, 2014 at 03:54 PM (#4637932)
Now, this does highlight the question of what was the basis for arriving at 211 games, because "That's the day I decided to issue my ruling" doesn't seem to be easily supportable.

I think 'suspend him until 2015' came first, and then they counted up the number of games this included, whatever any formal announcement about the penalty expressed.
   36. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: January 13, 2014 at 03:55 PM (#4637933)
Is the public ever going to know how the arbitrator came to 162 games...

32. Hasn't the arbitrator simply agreed the suspension issued by Commissioner Ahab?

Hey fra--I don't think that's exactly right, because Selig first attempted to suspend A-Rod for 211 games. Why the arbitrator dropped that to 162 is unknown.
   37. Greg Pope thinks the Cubs are reeking havoc Posted: January 13, 2014 at 03:57 PM (#4637935)
That's what I thought, but Ray corrected me there. The 211 was the suspension.

I must have missed this. In the press release (or whatever that was), it didn't mention a number of games, only the seasons. Was there another document?
   38. fra paolo Posted: January 13, 2014 at 04:02 PM (#4637944)
Why the arbitrator dropped that to 162 is unknown.

See my post at 35. It's just another piece of evidence that Commissioner Ahab threw out a date and Starbuck et al made it fit the terms of the JDA/CBA.
   39. SoSH U at work Posted: January 13, 2014 at 04:11 PM (#4637952)

I must have missed this. In the press release (or whatever that was), it didn't mention a number of games, only the seasons. Was there another document?


Ray would have to fill you in. If there's one thing I unreservedly trust his knowledge and expertise on, it's the details of this sordid mess.

OK, there is just the one thing. (-:
   40. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: January 13, 2014 at 04:11 PM (#4637954)
It's just another piece of evidence that Commissioner Ahab threw out a date and Starbuck et al made it fit the terms of the JDA/CBA.
So say we all.
   41. Greg Pope thinks the Cubs are reeking havoc Posted: January 13, 2014 at 04:12 PM (#4637956)
Ray would have to fill you in.

Just asked in a different thread that he's participating in...
   42. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: January 13, 2014 at 04:25 PM (#4637965)
Ray would have to fill you in. If there's one thing I unreservedly trust his knowledge and expertise on, it's the details of this sordid mess.


I told you it was in our best interests to keep the Raybot operative and online.
   43. Jarrod HypnerotomachiaPoliphili(Teddy F. Ballgame) Posted: January 13, 2014 at 04:36 PM (#4637975)
I say that as one who hates A-Rod's hay-eating guts.


Hay-digesting guts, surely.
   44. TRBMB Posted: January 13, 2014 at 04:47 PM (#4637987)
Here's another proposal to deal with the PED intrusion upon MLB, and let's face it, only MLB has had a spike in player performance records to induce a concern, certainly hasn't happened in the NFL, or in NBA or NHL, and that spike in performance records has been the tipping point. If PEDS only resulted in players remaining strong enough to stay on the field, and not ridiculously break records (Bonds-ian), the concern relative to PEDS would be little to none. I might also suggest the use of PEDS in the NFL is just as great, but individual player record spikes are of little interest or concern over just 16 games.

Let's somehow gain a year of no PEDS, continual strict and frequent testing, penalty upon first fail would be suspension for rest of the year. We obtain a reasonably clean year.

The next year, no testing. Let the players do as they desire. PEDS available in the trainer's room.

Then we might have a clean year versus a dirty year to compare player results. A laboratory experiment of value.

I do propose this in humor, but in reality, could be of real valuable interest. Controlled clean versus dirty.
   45. Ray (RDP) Posted: January 13, 2014 at 05:14 PM (#4638018)
The 211 was the suspension. It was likely determined with the idea that it would run through the end of 2014, but as I now understand it, if Arod had opted to drop his appeal after 21 games played in 2013, that barring any deal, the suspension would have run into the 2015 season.


Yes; had ARod dropped his appeal after 21 games in 2013 and begun serving, sans a deal, the suspension would then have run into 2015.
   46. Ray (RDP) Posted: January 13, 2014 at 05:21 PM (#4638026)
I'm not sure what the question above is, but the original suspension was for "211 games" (regardless of what the actual press release said, which I don't recall offhand). Yes, undoubtedly MLB picked that number to take ARod through the 2014 season. And as I said at the time, I don't think the "211" per se was relevant, as an argument for why the suspension shouldn't stand or was arbitrary. As I said, the question for the arbitrator was whether the magnitude of the suspension was justified, whether it was 200 or 211 or 220.

Now, the arbitrator's ruling of 162 does kind of raise an eyebrow. Because the violations that apply to ARod (use/possession) are 50 games or 100 games or permanent suspension; they aren't tied to "seasons." So I think Horowitz should have ruled that it was 50 or 100 or 150 or 200, but not "162" because "through the end of 2014" per se really shouldn't have entered his thinking, but, well, what can I say. I don't think ARod would get anywhere arguing this point. In fact, I don't even think there's an argument there at all. And perhaps there's even a counter argument that as long as, say, 150-170 was supportable, then it made sense just to take it through the end of 2014 (as I argued before w/r/t MLB's 211).

I mean, I don't find "obstruction" as a valid reason to tack on 150+ games - and I think there's a reasonable chance the federal court will agree with me -- but it seems that Horowitz did think a massive suspension based on obstruction was justified, and once you reach that conclusion then you have discretion, so you can then just pull 50 + *112* or whatever out of your ass.
   47. Fernigal McGunnigle has become a merry hat Posted: January 13, 2014 at 05:40 PM (#4638053)
Then we might have a clean year versus a dirty year to compare player results. A laboratory experiment of value.

Some problems:

- There appear to be PEDs that can beat the testing regime, so we can't really know if our "clean year" is really clean.
- Similarly, if a clean year is substantially cleaner than a normal year, it might mean that using something undetectable and futuristic would give a greater-than-normal marginal advantage, meaning that the top performances in the clean year might be more affected by PED use than those in a dirty year. If everyone is using then maybe it all cancels out. If only one guy is using, he would seem to be at more of an advantage.
- If PEDs are actually helpful, it would stand to reason that some or much of the muscle gain (etc) from their use would carry over into following years. Thus our "clean year" would still see the effects of the normal, semi-dirty year before it.
- Similarly, if the effects of PEDs are cumulative we'd expect to see more gain in dirty year + 1 than in dirty year proper.
- There is a combination of natural drift, random variation, and external factors (climate, etc.) at work in baseball's statistics, making it difficult to know what percentage of annual variation is caused by what.

The best solution is obviously a Star Trek-style mirror universe, one that is exactly the same as our own, except that we reverse the polarity of the deflector dish to cause all PEDs to disappear.
   48. zonk Posted: January 13, 2014 at 05:52 PM (#4638068)
The best solution is obviously a Star Trek-style mirror universe, one that is exactly the same as our own, except that we reverse the polarity of the deflector dish to cause all PEDs to disappear.


Stable, Stable? Or into the Stable, Darkly?
   49. Greg Pope thinks the Cubs are reeking havoc Posted: January 13, 2014 at 06:14 PM (#4638085)
the original suspension was for "211 games" (regardless of what the actual press release said, which I don't recall offhand). Yes, undoubtedly MLB picked that number to take ARod through the 2014 season.

OK, I guess I never saw anything "official" to indicate that the suspension was a set number of games.

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