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Monday, October 28, 2013

The complications of A-Rod’s appeal - Yankees Blog - ESPN New York

It’s like a really bad marriage. They are just stuck together.

The problem for the Yankees, even after concluding their organizational meetings, is that the Rodriguez appeal doesn’t resume until Nov. 18—another three weeks from today. If it goes the full week—and A-Rod lawyer Joe Tacopina said he expects at least five days—then it will end on Nov. 22.

The arbitrator has 25 days from that point to render a decision, meaning it could come after the Winter Meetings (Dec. 9-12) and possibly as late as a week before Christmas, which is usually when the baseball shopping season is wrapping up.

Jim Furtado Posted: October 28, 2013 at 01:40 PM | 38 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. AROM Posted: October 28, 2013 at 01:51 PM (#4587105)
Dude should not be a lawyer. With a name like Tacopina, he should own a chain of restaurants specializing in Mexican food and mixed drinks.
   2. fra paolo Posted: October 28, 2013 at 02:19 PM (#4587140)
"Big things have small beginnings"
   3. There are no words... (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: October 28, 2013 at 02:25 PM (#4587149)
I'm on Team A-Rod in this thing. I want the Yankees on the hook for every last stinkin' penny...
   4. Publius Publicola Posted: October 28, 2013 at 02:31 PM (#4587161)
MFC puts his finger on the true injustice of it all. It's too bad both A-Rod AND the Yankees can't both be ###### by this.
   5. base ball chick Posted: October 28, 2013 at 02:33 PM (#4587164)
i am REALLY enjoying this
i hope HOPE everything is "leaked" and by both sides

this should be a better spectacle than the televised WS - and that is really sorry
   6. Ray (RDP) Posted: October 28, 2013 at 03:28 PM (#4587232)
So far it appears that (1) MLB handed off $125,000 in a bag to a criminal who it appears have stolen the evidence MLB was paying for and MLB didn't report this payment to the government, and (2) MLB got into bed with Bosch who may have been dealing drugs to children, with Manfred testifying that the allegations of Bosch dealing to children didn't have anything to do with their quest to seek evidence on ARod so he wasn't concerned with them. Which kind of runs counter to the whole "Think of the children" thing.

The anti-PED crusaders are ok with this?

The testing program is one thing. "Hey, you failed a test, you're suspended unless you can successfully challenge it." But actively pursuing a player by paying people large sums of money under the table which may be going to further their criminal enterprises; providing safe harbor for a drug dealer who may have been dealing to children; impersonating cops; intimidating witnesses... This is what MLB should be doing?
   7. Walt Davis Posted: October 28, 2013 at 03:28 PM (#4587233)
the roster seems a non-issue. even if not suspended arod is 130 games. Jeter needs a full time sub. so if you can afford it you already know you need an essentially full time infielder. Also, given age talent and lux tax, they surely know that if arod is suspended or hurt for the full year that they are pretty much sunk.
   8. I am going to be Frank Posted: October 28, 2013 at 03:34 PM (#4587243)
When does Jeter have to tell the Yankees that he's picking up his option?
   9. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: October 28, 2013 at 03:35 PM (#4587247)
So far it appears that (1) MLB handed off $125,000 in a bag to a criminal who it appears stole the evidence MLB was paying for and MLB didn't report this payment to the government, and (2) MLB got into bed with Bosch who may have been dealing drugs to children, with Manfred testifying that the allegations of Bosch dealing to children didn't have anything to do with their quest to seek evidence on ARod. Which kind of runs counter to the whole "Think of the children" thing.


Bud Selig is....Heisenberg.
   10. Bitter Mouse Posted: October 28, 2013 at 03:49 PM (#4587272)
The real tragedy is I have no Centaur joke for this. I keep trying to think of one and coming up empty. The closest I got was "the best lawyer will win, you know the one with the most horsepower," but that doesn't really work. Sigh.
   11. Ray (RDP) Posted: October 28, 2013 at 04:00 PM (#4587290)
Maybe we could have an OT thread dedicated to lame horse jokes that, bizarrely, people continue to vomit forth despite the fact that not even the first such "joke" was either fun or funny?
   12. G.W.O. Posted: October 28, 2013 at 04:07 PM (#4587302)
Right Ray. Because it's the *other* people who are tediously repetitive in these threads.
   13. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: October 28, 2013 at 04:14 PM (#4587306)
We're just horsin' around.
   14. nick swisher hygiene Posted: October 28, 2013 at 04:21 PM (#4587313)
Ray has a picture hanging over his computer: half man, half robot....
   15. Random Transaction Generator Posted: October 28, 2013 at 04:40 PM (#4587339)
Ray has a picture hanging over his computer: half man, half robot....


This one?
   16. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: October 28, 2013 at 04:42 PM (#4587342)
Hey, Ray, as the bartender said, why the long face?
   17. John Northey Posted: October 28, 2013 at 04:48 PM (#4587350)
Jeter's option is interesting. $8 mil with a $3 mil buyout (via Cot's) but bonuses based on how he did in award voting. His coming in 7th instead of 6th saved the Yankees $2 mil on the 2014 pay, his one silver slugger added $1.5 mil, thus the players option is now a $9.5 mil option vs $3 mil buyout. So if Jeter feels he can get over $6.5 mil on the open market he should say no thanks to the option, otherwise he should say 'yes' to it. Given he only played 17 games with a 51 OPS+ last year I'd say take the option but only after trying to get the Yankees to add another (player option) year to it.
   18. Misirlou was a Buddhist prodigy Posted: October 28, 2013 at 04:59 PM (#4587360)
Given he only played 17 games with a 51 OPS+ last year I'd say take the option but only after trying to get the Yankees to add another (player option) year to it.


Well, no harm in trying, but a 40 YO SS who missed an entire season due to a series of injuries should expect the team to sweeten the pot on a $9.5 mil contract?
   19. A Fatty Cow That Need Two Seats Posted: October 28, 2013 at 05:00 PM (#4587362)
bonuses based on how he did in award voting. His coming in 7th instead of 6th saved the Yankees $2 mil on the 2014 pay


woof neigh

What do the contenders for worst WAR for a top ten MVP finish in the last ten years?
   20. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: October 28, 2013 at 05:04 PM (#4587367)
We're just horsin' around.


Yeah, just riding you a little bit.
   21. A Fatty Cow That Need Two Seats Posted: October 28, 2013 at 05:05 PM (#4587369)
results: not that interesting! also, ryan howard don't do good defense.

WAR Year Player
1.12 2011 Ryan Howard
1.27 2008 Carlos Delgado
1.3 2010 Ryan Howard
1.63 2011 Jay Bruce
1.65 2010 Delmon Young
1.72 2008 Ryan Howard
2.23 2012 Derek Jeter
2.3 2011 Michael Young
2.47 2008 Fransisco Rodriguez
2.92 2009 Andre Ethier
   22. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: October 28, 2013 at 05:09 PM (#4587375)
Yea, Delmon Young and Michael Young were my first two guesses. Shoulda guessed Howard too.
   23. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: October 28, 2013 at 05:35 PM (#4587404)
results: not that interesting!


It's a little bit interesting that no season on that list happened before 2008.
   24. A Fatty Cow That Need Two Seats Posted: October 28, 2013 at 06:03 PM (#4587438)
I stopped looking!

2000-2007, sub 3 WAR, top ten MVP finish

WAR Year Player
1.18 2002 John Smoltz
1.85 2004 Michael Young
2.13 2006 Trevor Hoffman
2.72 2003 Sammy Sosa
2.75 2005 Carlos Delgado
2.91 2007 Ryan Howard
   25. Monty Posted: October 28, 2013 at 06:15 PM (#4587443)
(1) MLB handed off $125,000 in a bag to a criminal who it appears stole the evidence MLB was paying for and MLB didn't report this payment to the government


I wonder what their internal process was for that. Corporations don't just have safes full of cash anymore.
   26. AROM Posted: October 28, 2013 at 07:17 PM (#4587481)
"The testing program is one thing. "Hey, you failed a test, you're suspended unless you can successfully challenge it." But actively pursuing a player by paying people large sums of money under the table which may be going to further their criminal enterprises; providing safe harbor for a drug dealer who may have been dealing to children; impersonating cops; intimidating witnesses... This is what MLB should be doing?"

It's right out of George Steinbrenner's play book. The kind of stuff a different MLB suspended him for.
   27. Walt Davis Posted: October 28, 2013 at 08:31 PM (#4587579)
(1) MLB handed off $125,000 in a bag to a criminal who it appears have stolen the evidence MLB was paying for and MLB didn't report this payment to the government,

But better (according to at least one news story), the guy videotaped the payoff and sold that video to AROD for $200,000.* Dude (allegedly) broke into a car, stole a box of documents, made over $300,000.

I'm in the wrong line of work. The nuns never told me being a sleazeball paid so well. Sure, the Jesuits hinted at it but implied I needed a law degree to make that kind of money as a sleazeball.

*OK, it was probably a digital recording of some sort although I like the idea of somebody having to hunt up a VCR for the hearing.
   28. Ray (RDP) Posted: October 28, 2013 at 08:58 PM (#4587633)
Francesa is not too good at this whole "investigative reporting" thing. During the interview with O'Keefe of the Daily News last week, Francesa unwittingly revealed his source of the hearing transcripts: he said that someone from ARod's camp gave them to him. I was shocked to hear him reveal his source, although it was in the heat of battle so I'm not sure he even realized he did it. After the interview he more calmly stated - without referencing his earlier comments -- that the stuff was simply waiting for him when he got into work, and he didn't know who had given it to him.

Now today he opened his show by saying that people have said that he revealed his source, and "that simply isn't true, I didn't do it, I still don't know who gave it to me, the stuff was sitting here when I got here."

He may not have meant to reveal his source the other day, or he may simply have misspoken and didn't actually know where the stuff had come from, but he definitely said it came from ARod's camp.

This will no doubt become relevant later when MLB uses Francesa's comments to assert that ARod violated the confidentiality provisions.
   29. Publius Publicola Posted: October 28, 2013 at 09:11 PM (#4587675)
After the interview he more calmly stated - without referencing his earlier comments -- that the stuff was simply waiting for him when he got into work, and he didn't know who had given it to him.


Not even your code name?
Oh, yeah, yeah. My code name.
Y'all hear that? We're usin' code names.

This will no doubt become relevant later when MLB uses Francesa's comments to assert that ARod violated the confidentiality provisions.


And also reveals why Francesca is defending A-Rod so vehemently.
   30. Bob Tufts Posted: October 28, 2013 at 09:20 PM (#4587725)
(1) MLB handed off $125,000 in a bag to a criminal who it appears stole the evidence MLB was paying for and MLB didn't report this payment to the government...... I wonder what their internal process was for that.


Howie Spira on speed dial?
   31. Koot Posted: October 28, 2013 at 10:35 PM (#4588045)
   32. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: October 28, 2013 at 11:15 PM (#4588180)
There must be an A-Rod joke here somewhere...

Well, we all know ARod swings a big stick.
   33. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: October 28, 2013 at 11:30 PM (#4588185)
Great book. The sequel to Whore Horse.
   34. Ray (RDP) Posted: October 29, 2013 at 08:21 AM (#4588240)
And also reveals why Francesca is defending A-Rod so vehemently.


Francesa has stated that, even not having seen the evidence, he assumes ARod used.

Yes, quite a full throated defense there.

Francesa has simply pushed back against the disparate treatment of ARod and the magnitude of ARod's suspension, wanting to wait to see what the evidence is before he concludes that both of these were warranted. Quite a reasonable perspective. But it says something about people like you that you find it extremely pro-ARod.
   35. Bitter Mouse Posted: October 29, 2013 at 08:30 AM (#4588243)
Francesa has stated that, even not having seen the evidence, he assumes ARod used.


Doesn't everyone. So what?

But it says something about people like you that you find it extremely pro-ARod.


I don't care if he used. I think MLB is railroading ARod (or trying). And I think he (Francesca)is being pro-ARod. Because the opinions he is putting out there favor ARod position more than MLBs.

Of course the whole thing is quickly turning into a 3 ring circus, complete with equestrian acts.

I knew I would get there eventually.
   36. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: October 29, 2013 at 09:21 AM (#4588279)
Doesn't everyone.


Technically, I supposed the arbitrator shouldn't, at least until he's heard all of the evidence.
   37. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: October 29, 2013 at 09:30 AM (#4588289)
Technically, I supposed the arbitrator shouldn't, at least until he's heard all of the evidence.

Eh, he can assume whatever he wants, as long as he doesn't let the assumptions influence his actual decision. It's not uncommon to here jurors basically say 'We assume he is guilty, but the prosecution didn't prove it, therefore we find him not guilty'.
   38. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: October 29, 2013 at 10:03 AM (#4588330)
After the interview he more calmly stated - without referencing his earlier comments -- that the stuff was simply waiting for him when he got into work, and he didn't know who had given it to him.


Not even your code name?
Oh, yeah, yeah. My code name.
Y'all hear that? We're usin' code names.



Why do I gotta be "Mr. Pink"?

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