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Sunday, June 03, 2018

The Detroit News: Mickey Lolich: How Ilitch dashed his pizza career dream

A state trooper came up to the car to ask where we were going in such a hurry, and Mike replied with urgency in his voice: “I have to get this guy to Utica! He’s supposed to be signing autographs at Little Caesars! We’re way behind schedule!”

“Who is this guy?” The officer asked, not knowing who else was in the car.

“It’s [bleeping] Mickey Lolich sitting here!” Ilitch replied. “He’s fresh off winning three games against the St. Louis Cardinals.”

“Well, I’ll be damned,” the trooper said. “You better get going or else you’ll be late.”

Most Pitching WAR 1969-73:

Player          WAR WAA/pit ERA+   W  L     IP   Age
Tom Seaver     39.1    27.2  154 103 51 1402.1 24
-28 H
Wilbur Wood    35.2    22.9  135  89 74 1311.1 27
-31
Bob Gibson     35.2    24.0  137  90 54 1326.2 33
-37 H
Gaylord Perry  35.1    20.7  132 101 74 1620.2 30
-34 H
Fergie Jenkins 33.8    21.0  123 101 72 1509.2 26
-30 H
Mickey Lolich  30.4    16.4  114  96 73 1565.1 28
-32
Steve Carlton  29.5    17.7  123  87 69 1403.0 24
-28 H
Jim Palmer     26.3    14.3  142  99 42 1338.2 23
-27 H
Bert Blyleven  23.4    13.9  131  63 58 1054.2 19
-22 H
Phil Niekro    23.0    11.8  121  79 67 1310.0 30
-34 H 
DanG Posted: June 03, 2018 at 10:35 AM | 21 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: books, detroit tigers, mickey lolich, mike ilitch

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   1. ajnrules Posted: June 03, 2018 at 02:53 PM (#5684941)
Lolich before my time but I always heard stories about how fat he was. I never did think of him as being fat, but maybe it was because by the time I followed baseball there were players that were truly fat such as Rick Reuschel, Terry Forster and of course David Wells.
   2. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: June 03, 2018 at 05:32 PM (#5685059)
Lolich before my time but I always heard stories about how fat he was. I never did think of him as being fat, but maybe it was because by the time I followed baseball there were players that were truly fat such as Rick Reuschel, Terry Forster and of course David Wells.

Or maybe if you'd looked Lolich up on BB-Reference, you'd have thought he weighed (ROFL alert) 170.

Of course BB-Ref. also lists the 6-3 Reuschel at 215, the 6-3 Forster at 200, and the 6-3 Wells at 187, so I think I'm seeing a pattern here, at least with former players. They do have Sabathia down for 300.
   3. Howie Menckel Posted: June 03, 2018 at 05:44 PM (#5685064)
Mickey was fat, can confirm

Mickey's final year was as a Met
   4. McCoy Posted: June 03, 2018 at 08:28 PM (#5685107)
The reasoning for the non renewal doesn't make a lot of sense. That isn't how marketing works. I would think the real reason was lolich lost 19 games in 1970 to lead the league in losses.
   5. Walt Davis Posted: June 03, 2018 at 08:48 PM (#5685115)
The important thing is that Colon only weighs 285. That's important because it means I clearly weigh a LOT less than 285. Good for my self-esteem.
   6. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: June 03, 2018 at 09:53 PM (#5685171)
The reasoning for the non renewal doesn't make a lot of sense. That isn't how marketing works. I would think the real reason was lolich lost 19 games in 1970 to lead the league in losses.

Lolich led the AL in losses in 1970, then won 25 games the next year to lead the league in wins, then won 22 more the next year, and then 2 years later he again led the league in losses. During those 4 seasons alone, Lolich pitched 92 complete games, which is more than the entire Major Leagues compiled in either 2017 or 2016.
   7. Rally Posted: June 04, 2018 at 08:43 AM (#5685321)
Sammy Sosa is on bbref at 165 pounds. Sometime in the last 10 years there has been an effort to keep these updated. I doubt Sean Forman has the time to visit stadiums make the players get on a scale. He probably gets an MLBAM master file which has updated information.

Up to recent times my assumption is that encyclopedia listed player weights are what they weighed when they signed their first pro contract.

   8. McCoy Posted: June 04, 2018 at 08:52 AM (#5685325)
It somewhere in the depths of the archive but baseball cards will adjust a player's weight as his career goes by.
   9. Rally Posted: June 04, 2018 at 08:53 AM (#5685326)
One consequence is that Alberto Callaspo cracks the top 10 heaviest players to ever play 500 games at third base. He started his career as a 5'9, probably 160 pound middle infielder. And ended it as a little fat guy. If updates were available throughout MLB history, I'm sure he'd be nowhere near the top of the list.

One challenger to Panda's listed 268 pounds might be Bob Horner (195 pounds) - that seems light even for his 1978 debut - 10 days and no minor league time after he was drafted 1st overall.
   10. McCoy Posted: June 04, 2018 at 09:14 AM (#5685334)
Topp's 2018 list Panda at 255 pounds. 2013 puts him at 240 pounds. Fleer's 1989 Bob Horner puts him at 215 pounds. His 1979 puts him at 190 pounds.
   11. Lassus Posted: June 04, 2018 at 09:16 AM (#5685336)
Utica, Michigan? WTF?
   12. zack Posted: June 04, 2018 at 09:48 AM (#5685359)
Utica, Michigan? WTF?

Just east of Troy, Rochester and Auburn Hills.
   13. Rally Posted: June 04, 2018 at 11:40 AM (#5685525)
Topp's 2018 list Panda at 255 pounds. 2013 puts him at 240 pounds. Fleer's 1989 Bob Horner puts him at 215 pounds. His 1979 puts him at 190 pounds.


BBref currently has Panda at 268. For Horner, I'd be more interested in what his 1988 Sumo cards lists him at.
   14. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: June 04, 2018 at 11:44 AM (#5685532)
Or maybe if you'd looked Lolich up on BB-Reference, you'd have thought he weighed (ROFL alert) 170.
I weigh 170. Dear lord, I hope I don't look like that.
   15. DanG Posted: June 04, 2018 at 10:58 PM (#5685992)
Utica, Michigan? WTF?
From Wikipedia:
...a few years later it was finally named Utica by settlers from New York, in honor of the city of the same name in that state. This was common of settlers in this region, and is reflected in the names of nearby cities such as Rochester and Troy that are also named for New York cities.
The opening of the Erie Canal in 1825 began a wave of settlers to Michigan. Utica was a small village located 12 miles beyond Detroit's northern border (8 Mile Road), until the 1960's when it had transformed into a rapidly growing suburb. Its population is about 5,000.

Former pitcher Duke Maas was born in Utica in 1929.

Jimmy John's Field, home of the USPBL, opened in Utica in 2016.
   16. The Honorable Ardo Posted: June 04, 2018 at 11:03 PM (#5685997)
Livonia, where I grew up, was also named for a New York city. Historically "Livonia" denoted part of the Baltic coastline that is now split between the modern states of Latvia and Estonia.
   17. McCoy Posted: June 04, 2018 at 11:08 PM (#5686000)
I'm sort of surprised this thread didn't create a pizza discussion. For me the best pizza in the area is from Antico and they have an outpost down by the Battery. The rest of the pizza in my area is pretty much crap.
   18. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: June 05, 2018 at 07:31 AM (#5686045)
I'm sort of surprised this thread didn't create a pizza discussion.

Since there are hundreds of different ideas about what an ideal pizza should be like, I doubt if we'd ever reach any kind of a consensus. I like the tomato pie concept, with plenty of crushed tomatoes and spices and just enough mozzarella to complement the tomatoes, not suffocate them. The obsession most Americans seem to have with putting mountains of cheese on or inside** their pizza is something I'll never understand. The only thing worse is shoveling a mountain of greasy pepperoni chips on top of it, which is beyond gross.

** Stuffed crusts? Really?
   19. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: June 05, 2018 at 09:42 AM (#5686084)
Obligatory mention that Mickey Lolich couldn't hit but drew a lot of walks for some reason. 90 hits and 105 walks. Career stats of .110/.215/.121.

And those were not all intentional walks from when he was batting 9th and a washed-up Jerry Lumpe was batting leadoff.
   20. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: June 05, 2018 at 11:21 AM (#5686152)
I'm sort of surprised this thread didn't create a pizza discussion. For me the best pizza in the area is from Antico and they have an outpost down by the Battery. The rest of the pizza in my area is pretty much crap.

This seems like as good a place as any to mention that a place called "Detroit Pizza" recently opened near me in Chelsea, New York. The pies are small and square-shaped (their slogan is "Lions and Tigers and Squares") and is pretty good, although they don't sell by the slice (the pies are small enough for an individual) and they have limited seating, so it's kind of a weird niche. Seems to be doing pretty good business so far when I walk by. I thought it was interesting since I didn't know that Detroit had its own style of pizza.
   21. djordan Posted: June 06, 2018 at 11:36 AM (#5686923)
Slice pie from the counter will always best slices from a fresh large pizza.

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