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Texas is interesting in that respect. Unless you're truly at a white tie event, that black ensemble is completely acceptable at anything, from weddings to funerals to rodeos. Yet it marks you as a certain kind of person – someone who works with horses, basically – and I never felt fully entitled to the look. (On a college campus it marks you as insane, which I couldn't care less about.) I was dressing that way for years and feeling like a bit of an impostor until La Dernière bought a horse. Now I actually groom the horse most weekends and ride it occasionally, and have a second outfit (custom-made kangaroo riding boots, workshirt, straw hat) for weekend wear; and I swear I can now feel acceptance from Texans who used to look at me askance. Maybe it's the smell of horses, I dunno. I find the clothes very functional and comfortable.
It's not a cheap way of dressing, though, and I really do pay attention to it. It takes effort to look relaxed.
here ya go.
although i don't recommend some of the colors they offer. i wear a dark brown pair with almost anything and they look okay. i don't wear them with shorts, though i imagine its not the worst look in the world.
13s are what I wear, though without my stupid toe problems I'd probably wear 11.
If I wore dress socks, which I tend to think of as being really thin (that might not be a correct perception), as opposed to somewhat thicker socks, I'd probably slide around in the shoes like a landlubber on a ship in a choppy sea.
I'm quite pleased to have found a pair of those a few minutes ago in sand suede at 6pm.com for $37.99, shipping included. The clearance pair(s?) just happened to be size 13. Here's hoping they fit, of course, but as bunyon alludes to, when you go above 12, more or less, half-sizes don't figure into the equation, anyway. I suppose if the size actually follows measurements for boots rather than shoes, they'll be too big, but as indicated, I'm already in that territory, anyway, so whatever.
You ####### people are a bad ####### influence. At this rate, I'll be shopping for ####### ascots & opera capes.
Completely agree. I would have no trouble spending that on shoes that were comfortable and would last.
I wasn't asking if you own expensive socks. I'm only wondering if you were wearing an athletic sock or something when you were trying them on and then wore a dress sock while walking around in them.
Ah, I see. No, I usually take socks I'd wear with the shoes.
I guess PF could be right and you have a bunion
I took that as a size comment but, yeah, a bunion could do that. Looking at my feet, they look the same as ever but yaneverknow.
At size 13 you might just have to special order your shoes.
Yep. That would be my guess. Still, it couldn't hurt to get an expert opinion. The wife has actually seen to it that I own nice (dressier) clothes that fit and feel good and I like wearing them much more than the stuff I had back in the day. I just always hate the shoes I wear with them. I end up feeling like I need to sit quietly on very solid, and slightly sticky, ground.
6pm used to be so addicting for me. It was such a great place to find hard to find shoe companies that made interesting shoes and get them at a great price. Almost all of my favorite shoes I have bought from 6pm.
The one store that I have always found disappointing is DSW. To me they have always struck me as overpriced and oddly enough to not have a great selection of shoes.
Perhaps you might want to head to a Nordstrom or Brooks Brothers if they are nearby. Or really the easiest option would be to head to a shoe repair place. Those people know shoes pretty darn well and you probably have one close by.
I wear Cole Haan (owned by Nike) dress shoes to work every day, and they are pretty easy to run in when I need to, although I don't make a habit of it. I wear a size 12 running sneaker but a size 11 dress shoe, since the dress shoes seem to run bigger.
Is there something special about chef's pants? I see culinary students wearing the pants and smocks regularly. Occasionally they'll have a thermometer or something in the sleeve pockets, but is there anything about the pants?
Also, I used to have a really hard time finding casual dress shoes that would go with my jeans...the dress shoes I wear to work, which are not overly fancy, always seemed way too formal. After a while, I realized that the problem was my jeans, not the shoes.
They are just loose fitting heavy duty fabric cargo pants*. They generally have a drawstring and are stretchable so they are pretty comfortable around the waist line. The advantages are that they allow greater flexibility and are baggy enough that they are breezy while also acting as a buffer from spills by not being as skin tight as other pairs of pants.
*Generally without all the pockets.
My last two pairs of walking shoes (which is what a podiatrist recommended I wear every day, though awhile back I started wearing a pair of really comfortable Rockports to work instead) have been white, which is to say they pretty quickly became a dingy gray. They were Xmas or birthday presents, so I haven't actually gone out looking for walking shoes in quite awhile, but damn if for some odd reason they don't all tend to be white, at least in my experience.
New Balance is my go-to for everyday sneakers. I just picked up a pair of these.
On other shoe matters, I recommend Ecco and Merrill (hiking shoes/boots that work surpisingly well casually, also really comfortable)
My god, do I hate cowboy hats & boots. I suppose it's because I was brought up to hate & fear Texas, which after all was lurking about 35 miles away, always poised to squash Arkansas like a bug.
But y'all must have horses in Arkansas. And you can't ride in a poker visor and flip-flops :-D
I draw the line at spurs. A cowboy of my acquaintance is never seen without them, though he's actually very sweet to his quarter horses, and he's a good rider. He just looks like a human cockfighter all the time.
not anymore (selling/sold off Cole Haan).
I'm wearing these now.
not anymore (selling/sold off Cole Haan).
Huh, did not see that. Well I'm guessing they will still use the Nike Air technology in their soles. In general I like them for their comfort/durability; they look pretty generic, cost 2x what I've paid for similar shoes in the past, but are more comfortable and last at least 3x longer.
AE are definitely my go to brand though for dress shoes. Excellent craftsmanship, great service (outstanding in fact).
I do wear sneakers (tennis shoes here in the midwest) but almost never w jeans, unless in yard. Still haven't owned a pair of flip flops. Awful for your feet.
i wear flip flops and have one really GOOD pair of athletic shoes which i got fitted with proper inserts so they FIT - much better for running around, walking the Dogss, working. my feet don't HURT
and for all youse whose feet come out of your shoes when you are walking - trouble is that your heel is too narrow for the size shoe you're wearing and you need to get fitted for custom inserts.
most men don't wear shoes or clothes that actually FIT. most women dress their men like clowns so that other women won't be lookin real too hard
There's little more disgusting than a man without socks.
i think there's some truth to this. a well-dressed man never lets his wife pick out his clothes. i let my g.f. participate, but i reserve the final decisions for myself.
nothing wrong with that if its done right. socks with sandals, however, is a no-no, unless you want to disguise yourself as a german tourist.
Unless you're engaging in some sort of physical activity such as hiking, playing a sport, going to the gym, etc., you're doing it wrong.
Hemingway objects.
i think there's some truth to this. a well-dressed man never lets his wife pick out his clothes. i let my g.f. participate, but i reserve the final decisions for myself.
I really don't think I agree with bbc here, most women I know don't want their boyfriends looking like poorly-dressed doofuses - especially while out with them.
As far as less noble motives, they were more concerned with having other women be a bit jealous of them rather than stunt their boy's attractiveness for the sake of protection. YMMV, I guess.
Regarding phredbird's point, over the bell-curve, I'm far more likely to trust the women I know than the men I know regarding what looks better on men. Again, YMMV.
boat shoes are not supposed to be worn with socks
you have to be a really REALLY self confident woman to not worry one little bit about whether or not other females are lookin at your man with, um, calculation. either that or not care if they do something about it. because wimmen are seriously predatory especially with males who are already with another woman - they figure he's got somethin goin on or he's be alone
my own particular man cleans up REAL nice and i know i do NOT like other women lookin at him and thinkin he looks a LOT better than they thought. i'd rather them be thinkin - gf you could do a LOT bettern him - than - damm, boy fills out them pants GOOD
Visiting El Paso from the UK last month, I picked up 3 suits, 2 shirts, and a tie from Jos. A Banks for $850 or so; very good quality, and sharp-looking suits too. (The tie ended up as a Father's Day gift; I wear one maybe three times a year.) Impressed with their service too, but then that's not hard compared to the low-to-medium end European menswear stores I frequent.
My wife's input on clothing is always welcome, and she makes some good calls on shirts, particularly when the dreaded tie is required. My old formula of solid-color, light-tone shirt with matching tie in a darker color was a bit transparent. But with suits, I don't think it's really required; I feel like most men can tell what works on them and what doesn't.
I've got enough ties that I should conjure up some way to lease them out. The average lifetime number of days worn per tie in my closet is something like 1.5.
Wearing any sort of shoes without socks isn't really an option for those unfortunate individuals -- speaking! (or, more apropos, typing!) -- who wear orthotics.
i don't trust the taste of other men when it comes to clothes, unless maybe you're talking about tim gunn. i trust my innate sense of style.
but the reason i don't trust women when it comes to men's clothes is that they don't understand men's clothes. men's clothes are meant to fit and be comfortable and be functional, even business attire. especially business attire. women's clothes are about tailoring and fashion forwardness, so their clothes sense is not appropriate to men's clothes, in the main.
not necessarily. if the shorts are hemmed correctly and your shoes are casual/dressy, low cut socks can work. it depends on the ensemble.
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Heh. Which is why women are rightfully concerned about men dressing themselves looking like doofuses.
(note: I am obviously not saying men don't know how to dress themselves. I'm simply saying that in my experience, I trust women more than men to know what looks good.)
He seems like he'd be pretty knowledgeable about shirts.
The work done in Hoi An, Vietnam is supposed to be very good, but from some of the internet reviews I spied recently it's possible the popularity has caused the quality to take a pretty big hit.
If he tucks them in, I'd prefer not to know the details.
I might have low standards in every direction, but I've found that something along the lines of these style of shoes can run the gamut from jeans-and-a-buttoned-shirt to suit-for-all-but-the-most-formal-occasions.
Ugh...
http://aarongleeman.com/2012/07/03/2012-sabr-convention-recap/
in my experience, woman tend to think a guy who dresses in tight clothes is a better dresser. men, on the other hand, tend to err in the other direction because they don't want to be uncomfortable. a proper fit is when you find the correct balance. i don't always trust women on that score anymore than the slobs i see at work and in general. i do know some guys who know how to dress; i like to think i make better clothes decisions as i get older.
i like those. just don't wear them with shorts. :-)
oddly enough, just the other day when i was posting the clark desert boots link in this thread, i was going home and happened to see a guy walking around in shorts and black clark desert boots with no socks. i know that sounds terrible, but he didn't look bad. like i said before, there are a lot of people in L.A. that try different things; sometimes they work, sometimes not. most of the time its because they are tall and thin. you can get away with a lot of things when your clothes drape properly on your frame.
OTOH, if its warm enough to wear shorts, its warm enough to wear a good pair of sandals.
oddly enough, just the other day when i was posting the clark desert boots link in this thread, i was going home and happened to see a guy walking around in shorts and black clark desert boots with no socks. i know that sounds terrible, but he didn't look bad. like i said before, there are a lot of people in L.A. that try different things; sometimes they work, sometimes not. most of the time its because they are tall and thin. you can get away with a lot of things when your clothes drape properly on your frame.
Boots with shorts is kind of trend right now. Both with women and men. It still looks weird to me but if you go with some funky looking boots it can kind of look ok. The absolute worst combo is Uggs and summer wear. Horrible, horrible, horrible.
Depends on the boots, but that was a relatively common punk-rock look back in the day. Depending on the weather.
Are you sure they weren't just low/invisible socks?
Hmmmm. Can't say it rings a bell for me. Of course, in my case that was several dozen thousand years ago.
Indeed. Desert boots may well have changed considerably since my last pair of chukkas gave up the ghost in probably the early '90s -- for one thing, I gather from looking at certain sites that some of them have some sort of lining -- but that sounds as uncomfortable as hell to me.
naw, it was no socks.
which i've seen here. utter disaster. the thing is, it can be chilly in the morning before the fog burns off in CA, so you get these weird combos all the time.
Not uncommon here, either. I don't mind the look, though, if the wearer's legs can carry it off, as occasionally has proven to the be case.
This look is only acceptable if you're an Australian/New Zealander or engaging in some sort of heavy duty hiking.
- absolutely positively NO to the tight clothes unless you are talking about skinny jeans which look like shtt on anyone who isn't built like a skeleton.
most men hate HATE to buy clothes and hate HATE to spend the time to get stuff that FITS and looks good and they tell their woman to get them something (trust me on this i KNOW) and most men try not to spend more than 5-10 minutes getting something. they also got a bad habit of either wearing stuff that is too loose or something that fit them when their waist and hips were 2" thinner even though they weigh the same and the same thing that might could have fit 10 years ago now looks like shtt. too tight in the #####, to much gut hanging over and pants WAAAAYYY too *()^*! short.
first man i ever say who knew how to wear clothes that FIT without looking like a fashion model or foreign or something was a guy who worked with my mother. Not fat, not thin, not tall, not short, but everything he ever wore from casual pants to suits looked GOOD and i never saw him wear anything that made him look like he needed a bigger belt or, even worse, the same thing for the 4th day in a row. He also had the good sense God gave him to wear GOOD boots with bout everything.
my brotha the playa also knows how to get clothes that FIT and he's always the HOTTTTest man in da club or anywhere else.
sorry, wearing shoes and socks with shorts looks awful. sorry gef but i do uunderstand having to wear orthotic shoes and yeah, you gotta wear those.
Obviously, this has come up before during the thread, & I have to say that I've never even thought about it before ... I guess because I was so used to wearing shorts with socks when I played basketball. Wearing shoes (other than sandals) without socks, whether shorts are involved or not, just strikes me as really, really counterintuitive. Oh, well.
I wear very low socks whenever I wear shorts, to the point where people sometimes ask why I'm not wearing socks (i.e. if we are hiking/exercising). With some shoes they are visible, but often they aren't.
well, this is kind of the crux. finding a proper fit is up to the person being fitted, and he should resist someone standing behind him checking out how a pair of pants fits on his ### telling him he looks good. i stand by my assessment. many women make the mistake of thinking a lifetime of being conditioned to look pretty has made them into clothes experts for men, so they think if someone looks good to them then they are well dressed. it isn't necessarily so.
but i agree with your second thought above, men who dress poorly are just lazy and don't give any thought to doing something about their appearance, resent it when someone points it out to them, and get defensive and play the 'i am what i am' card or try to justify their bad choices by insisting they just want to be 'comfortable'. they equate disdain for mere fashion with disdain for a solid style.
well, you do live in houston, so i'm considering the source ... :)
low socks are great. i've always had a problem with socks bunching around my ankles because i have incredibly muscular calves -- so i've been told -- and the socks don't hold up. i think low socks are fine worn with shoes and shorts. i'll even do black low socks. i'll admit i'm breaking some rules, but i think you can break some rules if your clothes look nice and fit well.
Do tell.
Phredbird is Dr. Kelso!
If you are one of the original kings of comedy then you can go with four otherwise stick with 2. 1 button is "fashion forward" right now but I doubt you are young enough to pull it off. Stick with two buttons. They almost never go out of style and they work with almost all body types.
i'll cop to that if i can hang out with her! check out the two-tones, mccoy!
if you want to have a cool wardrobe these days, ask yourself if don draper would wear it.
It all becomes clear.
I am 6' 2", 250, and a youthful looking 33 years old. So I can pull off the "tall" part, but I'm not sure about the build or age.
If this is a suit you're only going to wear once in awhile and it is going to be the suit for years on end I'd stay away from a 3 button suit. You'd want something that is more timeless which is a 2 button suit.
1. Mephisto leather sandals. Ridiculously expensive, ridiculously comfortable. I walk a LOT.
2. Sebago dockside boat shoes.
I haven't worn socks in I don't know how long.
Another problem I see all too often is men with the wrong sleeve length on dress shirts. I'd guess most men have sleeves which are at least 2 inches too long. Drowning in your shirt with too much fabric in the mid section is bad enough, but looking like you've got little Tom Hanks from Big, dress shirt on, is even worse.
I'm curious how the fashion plates in this thread would have dressed for such an event. It was 90 degrees outside, but mostly it was an air-conditioned conference where you're going to be surrounded by a bunch of pasty baseball nerds.
Bad shoes; poor fitting clothes; socks vs no socks.....who says the American male doesn't care about his appearance?
I will say this: as the years roll by, and 67 have already, I am primarily concerned with comfort and secondarily, color.
Style never enters the thought process, to my spouses constant consternation.
I allow her and my daughters to make the quality clothes decisions via Christmas/birthday present-buying and they leave the casual stuff purchases to impulse buying on my part.
Here's my take on the definition of "the eternal question": does the man make the clothes or do the clothes make the man?
Such a quandry....
Jesus Christ, Gleeman lost a lot of weight!
Since getting my new job, I've been rocking three-piece suits. Literally, like a boss. Highly recommended.
I have the opposite problem, the sleeves of most off-the-rack shirts are an inch too short for me, and too loose around the abdomen. Luckily, I work in an office where nobody gives a #### about how I dress.
For those of you who don't vehemently object to sneakers, whether with jeans or with shorts - suggestions on color?
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