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Friday, March 22, 2019

The Franchise Bids Farewell

“It shouldn’t have been so easy: Seaver was maybe a little too handsome, maybe a little too eloquent, maybe a little too “California” to earn the trust of a jaded, twice-bitten, hometown faithful. He was a little too… soft to make it big in the Big City.”

gehrig97 Posted: March 22, 2019 at 10:36 AM | 7 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: chicago white sox, cincinnati reds, mets, orioles, tom seaver

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   1. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: March 22, 2019 at 10:47 AM (#5824550)
Wasn't quite sure where this excerpt was going, until I RTFA. A bit more context would have been nice.
   2. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: March 22, 2019 at 01:05 PM (#5824618)
Agree with #1: This is actually a very warm piece of writing, and does a good job of caputring how angry Mets fan were about the trade to the Reds, and about how dominant Seaver was. Here's a good summary of his dominance, from the article:

Seaver faced 19,369 batters over 20 seasons — every one through clenched teeth as he delivered that hissing fastball — and held them to a .226 avg. He holds the lowest career ERA (2.86 ) of the post-war era (min. 4000 IP). He led his league in ERA, wins, adjusted ERA, FIP, and WHIP three times; strikeouts five times; strikeouts per nine innings six times. He established an NL record with ten 200-strikeout seasons, and in a nice bit of symmetry, once struck out 10 consecutive batters in a game. In addition to those three Cy Young Awards recognizing him as the league’s best pitcher, Seaver was listed on the MVP ballot in nine different seasons, finishing a close second in 1969.


   3. gehrig97 Posted: March 22, 2019 at 09:13 PM (#5824771)
This might’ve been more appropriate:
... the numbers in this case seem insufficient to the task of capturing the athlete. Seaver’s departure was seen by many as a betrayal of the New York public trust, and here it might be said that feelings of sadness, loss, and anger do more to define an athlete’s value than every number on the back of his baseball card.
   4. RJ in TO Posted: March 22, 2019 at 09:32 PM (#5824775)
He holds the lowest career ERA (2.86 ) of the post-war era (min. 4000 IP).


Not that he wasn't a great, great pitcher, who deserves all sorts of accolades, but this seems a little sneaky to include, given only 20 pitchers have reached that innings threshold in the post-war era, and the guy at 3948 innings was very, very slightly (2.856 to 2.862) better.
   5. gehrig97 Posted: March 23, 2019 at 12:12 AM (#5824792)
This true. It’s cherry-picking a bit and probably does a disservice to Palmer (though Seaver pitched almost 900 additional innings and has the slightly better adjusted ERA).

   6. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: March 23, 2019 at 11:54 AM (#5824812)
He holds the lowest career ERA (2.86 ) of the post-war era (min. 4000 IP).

Not that he wasn't a great, great pitcher, who deserves all sorts of accolades, but this seems a little sneaky to include, given only 20 pitchers have reached that innings threshold in the post-war era, and the guy at 3948 innings was very, very slightly (2.856 to 2.862) better.

Seaver also pitched in an era of relatively low offense. If you go by ERA+ rather than ERA, Clemens (4916 IP, 143 ERA+) and Randy Johnson (4135 IP, 135 ERA+) both rank above Seaver's 127.
   7. gehrig97 Posted: March 23, 2019 at 12:27 PM (#5824824)
I’d rank Seaver the fourth or fifth greatest ever. Clemens and Grove are my top two, afterwhich you can slot Seaver, Maddux and the Johnsons in pretty much any order.

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