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Saturday, December 09, 2017

The Giancarlo Stanton Trade Shines a Light on the Sad Difference Between the Mets and Yankees

The Mets should have been considered by Giancarlo Stanton. It’s not his fault though.

goodfundies Posted: December 09, 2017 at 02:15 PM | 30 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. djordan Posted: December 10, 2017 at 09:28 AM (#5589502)
I will say that Alderson needed to at least be on record with some thoughts on Stanton and that the organization made some kind of offer, realistic or pie-in-the-sky, to show the fan base some effort.
   2. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: December 10, 2017 at 09:49 AM (#5589505)
Alderson is a hand-picked Budshovik stooge. He’s there to do exactly what he was told to do - try to win, but don’t try too hard and don’t spend.
   3. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: December 10, 2017 at 10:05 AM (#5589508)
At this point, I personally think of the Mets as a mid-market team and react accordingly. My disappointment with Alderson is I don't think he's done a particularly good job building the organization even in that regard.
   4. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: December 10, 2017 at 10:32 AM (#5589514)
I don't understand why 29 teams didn't make offers (before Stanton rejected StL and SF of course). Most would have been rejected out of hand by either Stanton or the Marlins, but it would have required about as much effort as filling out Ohtani's questionnaire, and you could at least tell your fans that you tried.
   5. ??'s Biggest Fan! Posted: December 10, 2017 at 11:28 AM (#5589526)
The article argues for a binary choice on the Mets' player acquisition philosophy. Neither of which is comforting. If the option is the owners worries more about money vs the front office is incompetent, I prefer the latter. There's a chance you can stumble into a competent front office at some point. If you can't afford to field a sustainably good team while having 50% of the trip-state market, don't see how you can stumble into a couple of billion dollars to right the ship. And I don't think Alderson is incompetent, so I think the best hope for the Mets fans is for the Wilpons to sell the team to Mark Zuckerberg or Jeff Bezos.
   6. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: December 10, 2017 at 11:47 AM (#5589535)
I think the best hope for the Mets fans is for the Wilpons to sell the team to Mark Zuckerberg or Jeff Bezos.

Zuckerberg, fine, but Bezos should be reserved for the Orioles.
   7. The Yankee Clapper Posted: December 10, 2017 at 12:07 PM (#5589540)
If you can't afford to field a sustainably good team while having 50% of the trip-state market, don't see how you can stumble into a couple of billion dollars to right the ship.

The Mets have access to 100% of that market, but their problem, among others, seems to be that they don't actually have the allegiance of half of the NYC-area fans. Of course, that is related to their financial woes, and on-field performance.
   8. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: December 10, 2017 at 12:17 PM (#5589545)
I can't see the Wilpons selling to be honest. That's not based on anything but my opinion but owning a MLB franchise in New York seems to be a pretty easy way to makes tons of money. If the Wilpons are still struggling financially all these years after Madoff, why would they sell the Mets?
   9. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: December 10, 2017 at 12:20 PM (#5589546)
If you can't afford to field a sustainably good team while having 50% of the trip-state market, don't see how you can stumble into a couple of billion dollars to right the ship.

The Mets have access to 100% of that market, but their problem, among others, seems to be that they don't actually have the allegiance of half of the NYC-area fans. Of course, that is related to their financial woes, and on-field performance.

From 1984 through 1992 the Mets led the Yankees in attendance, and it wasn't the first time. Their current positions aren't set in stone.
   10. Stormy JE Posted: December 10, 2017 at 01:14 PM (#5589563)
And I don't think Alderson is incompetent, so I think the best hope for the Mets fans is for the Wilpons to sell the team to Mark Zuckerberg or Jeff Bezos.
I agree with Russlan in #8 but the problem is way, way bigger than that. Like Danny Boy Snyder, the Wilpons are fanboys. THEY'RE NOT SELLING THE TEAM VOLUNTARILY. Today. Tomorrow. EVER.
   11. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: December 10, 2017 at 01:57 PM (#5589572)
Like Danny Boy Snyder, the Wilpons are fanboys.

Yeah, but Fred's 81 and Little Napoleon is only 53. At least Mets fans have a tiny sliver of hope.

So which is worse from a Mets fan's POV, that Stanton is going to the Yankees or that Harper's now more likely to remain a Nat?

   12. Stormy JE Posted: December 10, 2017 at 02:34 PM (#5589585)
Yeah, but Fred's 81 and Little Napoleon is only 53. At least Mets fans have a tiny sliver of hope.
Fred's son, Jeffrey, is only 55.
   13. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: December 10, 2017 at 02:40 PM (#5589587)
Yeah, but Fred's 81 and Little Napoleon is only 53. At least Mets fans have a tiny sliver of hope.

Fred's son, Jeffrey, is only 55.


Yes, but Napoleon's son Gerry is only 15. The Mets win again!
   14. Hysterical & Useless Posted: December 10, 2017 at 02:56 PM (#5589592)
The only way Fred Wilpon would ever sell the Mets would be if he could acquire the Dodgers and bring them back to Brooklyn. That ain't happenin', so he ain't sellin'.

No idea if young Jeff is afflicted with the same BDS as his father. Met fans can only hope he isn't.
   15. Tom Nawrocki Posted: December 10, 2017 at 03:41 PM (#5589608)
The Mets were in the World Series two years ago. I long for the day when my team considers that "sad."
   16. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: December 10, 2017 at 03:54 PM (#5589618)
The Mets were in the World Series two years ago. I long for the day when my team considers that "sad.

That's one way to look at it. Another way to look at it is that the Mets have finished better than .500 just twice in the 9 seasons, and other than 2015 when the Mets went to the WS, they have only played one other playoff game (not series) since the 2007 season. They have only made the playoffs 3 times in the last 17 years and finished with 70-92 record last year.
   17. PreservedFish Posted: December 10, 2017 at 04:27 PM (#5589633)
At this point, I personally think of the Mets as a mid-market team and react accordingly.


Agreed. I never even considered the possibility that the team would bid for Stanton.

In fact, I never even considered the possibility that they'd be real players for Ohtani. For about two decades I prayed that the Mets would one day hire a GM that wasn't perversely obsessed with winning the winter back page battle. I sure got my wish.

The Mets were in the World Series two years ago. I long for the day when my team considers that "sad."


Nobody here used the word "sad."

Since the Madoff scandal exploded the Wilpons' wealth (or, more accurately, exposed the fact that they had no wealth) the Mets have had two winning seasons. In 2015 they won 90 games, and had some good luck in the playoffs. It was a very fun year to watch. But the overall picture is one with a whole lotta meh, and I have no problem characterizing a complete inability to make a play for a player of Giancarlo Stanton's stature as "sad." That there are about 16 teams just as sad, or sadder, doesn't change that.
   18. Stormy JE Posted: December 10, 2017 at 04:51 PM (#5589645)
But the overall picture is one with a whole lotta meh, and I have no problem characterizing a complete inability to make a play for a player of Giancarlo Stanton's stature as "sad."
Overall, I agree but let's not go overboard. After all, most here cheered one year ago when the club made the biggest splash of the offseason by signing Cespedes -- and for a very reasonable contract length of four seasons.
   19. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: December 10, 2017 at 05:02 PM (#5589648)
It's going to be interesting to see if the Mets spend money this offseason. They traded a lot of salary away last year and don't have really have that much committed to their roster as of right now (65 million, 20 million of it David Wright's at least partially insured contract). They should have money to add to the roster even after they deal with their arbitration cases.
   20. PreservedFish Posted: December 10, 2017 at 05:08 PM (#5589650)
After all, most here cheered one year ago when the club made the biggest splash of the offseason by signing Cespedes -- and for a very reasonable contract length of four seasons.


True. I loved that move, and still love it.
   21. Adam Starblind Posted: December 10, 2017 at 05:21 PM (#5589657)
It'd be great if Yo could play, say, three quarters of next season.
   22. Adam Starblind Posted: December 10, 2017 at 05:22 PM (#5589658)

Nobody here used the word "sad."


It's the title of the article.
   23. PreservedFish Posted: December 10, 2017 at 05:25 PM (#5589659)
I'm aware.
   24. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: December 10, 2017 at 06:42 PM (#5589691)
I'm sure that the Mets are going to add some relievers this offseason but I really don't really know what else they should or will do. Overall, they have options at every position but overall the lineup is not good.

C: d'Arnuad/Plawecki
1b: Smith/Flores platoon
2b: Cabrera/Flores/Reyes
SS: Rosario
3B: Cabrera/Reyes/Flores
LF: Yo
RF: Conforto

Each spot seems decent but overall not good. The Mets should probably acquire a starter but I could also see them being priced out of the market.
   25. PreservedFish Posted: December 10, 2017 at 06:54 PM (#5589699)
Yes. Rosario, Smith, Flores and the catchers are all worth playing but probably not very good. Yo and Conforto are highlights. It's a clear rebuilding lineup.
   26. Stormy JE Posted: December 10, 2017 at 09:26 PM (#5589792)
1b: Smith/Flores platoon
2b: Cabrera/Flores/Reyes
3B: Cabrera/Reyes/Flores
There had better be at least one more name in that mix or the season could get ugly... fast.

And we need a better backup to d'Arnaud until Nido is ready.

Also, who's playing CF alongside Lagares?
   27. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: December 10, 2017 at 11:53 PM (#5589863)
It's Lagares and Nimmo in centerfield. Plawecki did decently last year and has a solid minor league track record. I doubt the Mets bring in anyone at catcher.
   28. Blastin Posted: December 11, 2017 at 05:49 AM (#5589890)
Yo and Conforto are highlights


Now how many games will they each play next year, since Conforto now will miss Opening Day?
   29. Adam Starblind Posted: December 11, 2017 at 07:16 AM (#5589895)

And we need a better backup to d'Arnaud until Nido is ready.


Last season Plawecki finally started to show some of the bat (.260/.364/.400) he flashed in the minors (.297/.364/.451). If I were in charge, d'Arnaud (.244/.293/.443 in 2017, .247/.307/.323 in 2016, and always made of glass) would be backing up Plawecki. A few years ago it wasn't obvious which of these guys would end up the starter.
   30. ??'s Biggest Fan! Posted: December 11, 2017 at 02:06 PM (#5590236)
Good grief, where did the years go? I thought D'Arnaud and Plawecki were still in their early 20's. Are the Mets still a "young" team?

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