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The greatest under-28 free agents of all time, and where Harper and Machado rank – The Athletic

Cliff Corcoran’s list of top free agents of all time. ARod is #1, Machado #3, and Harper #11.

Jim Furtado Posted: November 13, 2018 at 06:35 AM | 20 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Walt Davis Posted: November 13, 2018 at 03:26 PM (#5786759)
There have been 10 FAs under 28 who were better than Harper? I've got my doubts about that. I can't think who's ahead of Machado.
   2. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: November 13, 2018 at 03:35 PM (#5786766)
I can't think who's ahead of Machado.


Maddux?

I imagine Heyward is ranked ahead of Harper
   3. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: November 13, 2018 at 03:37 PM (#5786768)
I can't think who's ahead of Machado.


Think of two recent inner circle greats, who are unlikely to see the HoF any time soon.
   4. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: November 13, 2018 at 03:42 PM (#5786775)
   5. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: November 13, 2018 at 03:46 PM (#5786781)
There have been 10 FAs under 28 who were better than Harper?


Looking through P-I for the best players at age 19 or 20 for some clues:

Adrian Beltre was a FA at 26
Maybe Rueben Sierra?

Can't read TFA, is the criteria the age they were granted free agency, or their baseball age the following season? If it's the former, Robbie Alomar qualifies.

   6. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: November 13, 2018 at 03:48 PM (#5786783)
These two guys?


Well, Bonds would qualify under the Alomar rule I stated above. But if Bonds qualifies, I imagine he'd be #1.
   7. Rally Posted: November 13, 2018 at 04:28 PM (#5786815)
Bonds was 28 as a free agent, with a July 24 birthday. His last year before free agency was his age 27 season the way it's calculated, but he was already 28 when he started to field offers and 29 before his first season with the Giants ended.

A-Rod was born almost exactly 11 years later, 7/27/75. He was 3 years younger than Bonds was when they each hit their free agent markets. Not sure if the article is doing:

A) look at all free agents under age X, rank who is best or
B) look at all free agents and project how good they'll be considering age.

Bonds might be #1 under A, but A-Rod has to be #1 under B because 3 years is a huge deal.
   8. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: November 13, 2018 at 04:46 PM (#5786834)
A) look at all free agents under age X, rank who is best or
B) look at all free agents and project how good they'll be considering age.

Bonds might be #1 under A, but A-Rod has to be #1 under B because 3 years is a huge deal.


Well, I simply looked at what they had done prior to FA. Bonds had 2 MVPs and 50 WAR. ARod had 0 and 38. As for projection, Bonds was coming off a 9.9 WAR season, and 5 straight of 8+. ARoD was coming off a 10.4, but was a mixed bag, with a 4.8 and a 5.7 in his previous 5. As it turned out, they were both solid 8-9 WAR guys in the next 5. but yes, 3 years at that age does matter.
   9. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: November 13, 2018 at 04:52 PM (#5786840)
ARod is #1, Bonds #2.

You guys should really subscribe to The Athletic. It's really good.
   10. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: November 13, 2018 at 04:56 PM (#5786843)
ARod is #1, Bonds #2.


So, by under 28 they really mean 28 and younger? Or they were in their age 27 season when granted FA?
   11. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: November 13, 2018 at 05:05 PM (#5786855)
So, by under 28 they really mean 28 and younger? Or they were in their age 27 season when granted FA?

ARod was 25, having just competed his age 24 season. Bonds was 28, having just completed his age 27 season.

I think they're using the criteria that their last season was their age 27 season, or younger.
   12. Adam Starblind Recommends SportSpyder.com Posted: November 14, 2018 at 10:57 AM (#5787210)
I haven't been able to come up with a single other player not mentioned here.
   13. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: November 14, 2018 at 11:13 AM (#5787224)
I was thinking Donald Z. Greinke, he was the youngest player in the majors at one point and then barely missed any time (2006 back in the minors for most of the season; never injured), but apparently he didn't reach free agency until 29.
   14. Adam Starblind Recommends SportSpyder.com Posted: November 14, 2018 at 11:28 AM (#5787255)
I looked and Strawberry and Manny, but both were a year too old.
   15. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: November 14, 2018 at 11:29 AM (#5787259)
I haven't been able to come up with a single other player not mentioned here.

I've read the article, but I'm not sure the etiquette around posting from pay-sites.
   16. Nasty Nate Posted: November 14, 2018 at 11:33 AM (#5787267)
Did Gooden hit free agency or did he agree to an extension?
   17. SoSH U at work Posted: November 14, 2018 at 11:48 AM (#5787301)
Bobby Grich in 1976? He'd qualify under the previous baseball age season rule that brought in Bonds.
   18. SoSH U at work Posted: November 14, 2018 at 11:56 AM (#5787321)
Raines in 1987? He hit FA, though he found no takers.

   19. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: November 14, 2018 at 12:12 PM (#5787334)
Bobby Grich in 1976?

Raines in 1987?

Both on the list.
   20. charityslave is thinking about baseball Posted: November 15, 2018 at 06:18 PM (#5788132)
The Lazy Boy won the thread. I cackled.

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