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Friday, August 26, 2011

The Hurricane Irene Thread

There was the Swine Flu thread, so why not the Hurricane thread. Isn’t that right, New York Mets and the rest of the Northeast teams?

The New York Mets say they have postponed Saturday and Sunday’s games against the Atlanta Braves because of Hurricane Irene.

Both games will be rescheduled as a single-admission doubleheader on Sept. 8 beginning at 4:10 p.m.

Major League Baseball already had moved Sunday’s games at Philadelphia and Boston to Saturday to make them part of day-night doubleheaders. The Phillies play the Marlins and the Red Sox play the Athletics.


So to the primates on the Eastern coastal regions- stay safe.

Gamingboy Posted: August 26, 2011 at 08:49 PM | 912 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   101. Jeffo has an El Camino full of Rampage Posted: August 27, 2011 at 08:22 PM (#3910433)
Speaking as to storm surge - I just know I'm happy I was able to move my car from my ground floor (even though indoors) parking spot in Hoboken over to the hospital lot (up on the 4th floor in the interior of the structure) - I'm well supplied otherwise, but from what they are saying, there could be significant flooding here (even moreso than we usually get in a "regular" big storm).

(And yes I have plenty of batteries AND chips and beer...)
   102. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: August 27, 2011 at 08:27 PM (#3910436)
Yes, the urban canyon effect matters. But again, wind isn't going to do much #### other than bring down trees and other nuisance damage. This is all about flooding and trees - it doesn't take a lot of wind to bring down trees in full leaf, especially if the wind is a SE wind ( trees in the NE see strong NW winds, primarily, so a SE wind takes down trees that wouldn't go down in a NW wind.) Even if wind does nothing but take down trees, though, that can be pain in the ass as well.
   103. Heinie Mantush (Krusty) Posted: August 27, 2011 at 08:32 PM (#3910438)

(I learned this while stocking up on beer and chips.)

It's a good thing that essentials like beer are still available.


Chips were running low at the Pioneer on 74th. Beer remains plentiful and, in some cases, cheap.

@ 79: Ray, if this were Facebook, I would have liked your post.
   104. zenbitz Posted: August 27, 2011 at 08:34 PM (#3910439)
There's no magic about FEMA. They're a great contribution to deficit financing and quite frankly they don't have a penny in the bank.


Just because I like to look stuff like this up. The 2011 FEMA budget is about $10B. That's actually more than I thought it would be.

Current deficit is projected >$1.4T. So if you zeroed out FEMA it would be $1.39T.
   105. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: August 27, 2011 at 08:36 PM (#3910440)
My son will be studying Applied Meteorology here in a couple years.


If by "here" you mean BTF, I suggest you talk to the lad about rethinking his plans.
   106. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder Posted: August 27, 2011 at 08:37 PM (#3910441)
If by "here" you mean BTF, I suggest he not bother.


I meant, "here" as in my employer.
   107. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: August 27, 2011 at 08:42 PM (#3910443)
You mentioned West Lafayette. That's Purdue, right?
   108. Ray (RDP) Posted: August 27, 2011 at 08:48 PM (#3910445)
Gotta love the Times:

*As Climate Warms, Some Scientists See Irene as a Harbinger*


And some scientists don't.

"The scale of Hurricane Irene, which could cause more extensive damage along the Eastern Seaboard than any storm in decades, is reviving an old question: are hurricanes getting worse because of human-induced climate change?"


Didn't "some scientists" predict a flurry of hurricanes after Katrina that didn't come to pass?
   109. ray james Posted: August 27, 2011 at 08:53 PM (#3910449)
Ray, you're not one of those "Global Warming is a Hoax" morons, are you?

Good lord.
   110. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: August 27, 2011 at 08:56 PM (#3910450)
Theres no reason to expect a strong uptick in hurricane activity because of global warming.
   111. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: August 27, 2011 at 09:01 PM (#3910452)
'zop, what's the rough prognosis for Boston assuming the forecast for Irene's path is mostly correct? It looks like it'll pass to the west of the city if I'm reading the weather channel map correctly, and it'll still be a tropical storm at that point.

edit: also, can we please leave the climate change catfight out of this? pretty please?
   112. Swedish Chef Posted: August 27, 2011 at 09:03 PM (#3910454)
Theres no reason to expect a strong uptick in hurricane activity because of global warming.

Well, there was very much less reason to believe that the Large Hadron Collider would create black holes that would eat the Earth, that didn't bother the media much, the headlines looked too good not to run.
   113. JE (Jason) Posted: August 27, 2011 at 09:04 PM (#3910455)
Interesting:
Forecasts show Irene hitting central Long Island, N.Y., sometime Sunday (Aug. 28), leaving New York City with the "clean side" of the hurricane and without the major storm surge. The city will mostly see "blustery rains and strong winds," said Eugene McCaul, an atmospheric scientist at NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Ala.

The U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) has forecast around 8 inches (20 centimeters) of rain for New York City from Irene.

The strongest winds and the highest storm surge are on a hurricane's right side — the "dirty side" — as viewed from above. That's because winds in a hurricane rotate counterclockwise, so the strength of the storm on the "dirty side" is the hurricane's wind speed plus its forward velocity. The strength on the "clean side", or the left side, is the wind speed minus the velocity.

The worst-case scenario for New York City would be a major hurricane (Category 3 or higher on the Saffir-Simpson scale of hurricane strength) that remains out to sea and then whose eye plunges ashore just west of the Hudson Bay, bringing the full fury of wind, surge and punishing waves of the storm's dirty side into Manhattan and the surrounding metro area. If that were to happen, a storm surge of up to 30 feet (9 meters) would flood low-lying areas, according to the New York City Office of Emergency Management.

Irene, however, has weakened to a Category 1 storm with winds of 85 mph (140 kph) and has taken a different track, with its eye so far looking to hit slightly to the east of the city.

"We could still be unlucky here in the city and get a worse track, but it's just hard to happen," said Adam Sobel, an atmospheric scientist at the Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory.

The city, especially the borough of Manhattan, sits in a crook, somewhat shielded by Long Island and areas to the south.

"The good thing is that it's kind of hard for a hurricane to get in at that angle," Sobel told OurAmazingPlanet.
   114. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: August 27, 2011 at 09:06 PM (#3910459)
Scott - hard to know, but I don't think this would be appreciably worse than a bad noreaster in Boston. Other than the tornados. Might be a lot of mini tornados. Just go by the NWS forecast - the Boston NWS office is, I think, the best on the east coast.
   115. tshipman Posted: August 27, 2011 at 09:09 PM (#3910461)
I think the general point about the sensationalist coverage of potential natural disasters is well taken.

In the specifics, yes of course a given storm can be a disaster, but it's relatively rare, even among large hurricanes for them to cause massive damage.

However, every storm is covered the same way initially, so as a lay-person there's no way to distinguish between Katrina and the 20 other hurricanes that do next to no damage.
   116. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: August 27, 2011 at 09:11 PM (#3910465)
113 - that's wrong. Actually, it's more out of date than wrong, the computer models have shifted a bit left over the last few cycles and now forecast landfall on western LI, maybe even right over NY harbor.


Its also wrong because in landfalling NE hurricanes that are interacting with a front ( as Irene is), the heaviest rains fall on the WEST side. See, eg, hurricane Floyd. It's called a "PRE". You can already see it forming on the radar. The west side gets less wind but the lions share of the rain (5-12"), the east side gets much less rain (2-4") but the gusty wind and tornadoes.
   117. Ray (RDP) Posted: August 27, 2011 at 09:13 PM (#3910466)
However, every storm is covered the same way initially, so as a lay-person there's no way to distinguish between Katrina and the 20 other hurricanes that do next to no damage.


Seems easy enough to distinguish to me.
   118. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: August 27, 2011 at 09:16 PM (#3910468)
I heard Gov. Tom Corbett say they expect the worst flooding to happen on Tues. or Wed., as the water dumped up-state works its way down the already swollen Delaware and Susquehanna Rivers.
   119. JE (Jason) Posted: August 27, 2011 at 09:27 PM (#3910469)
The west side gets less wind but the lions share of the rain (5-12"), the east side gets much less rain (2-4") but the gusty wind and tornadoes.

Isn't the worst-case scenario for the five boroughs, and Manhattan in particular, based on the height of the storm surge, not amount of rain?
   120. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: August 27, 2011 at 09:33 PM (#3910471)
Of course. But if the storm comes ashore on western LI, storm surge in NYC, especially in the western part of LI Sound, will be bad. My understanding is that we might see 5 ft of surge on top of a high astronomical tide - which puts the battery under water, parts of Hoboken, etc. Look at historical records from, eg, the 1893 hurricane, to see the kind of surge you can get in the harbor with a rockaways/long beach landfall. The idea that you need a sandy hook landfall, with a heading west of north, to get serious surge in NY harbor, is a myth.

Edit to add - but when I say bad, I mean like Dec. 1992, maybe a bit worse. The media fantasies of an 1815-like surge (Hudson and east rivers met at canal street) are just that.
   121. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder Posted: August 27, 2011 at 09:39 PM (#3910475)
You mentioned West Lafayette. That's Purdue, right?


Is there another school in WL?
   122. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: August 27, 2011 at 09:42 PM (#3910480)
the Boston NWS office is, I think, the best on the east coast.

It's actually in Taunton, isn't it? It's next door to where I work.
   123. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: August 27, 2011 at 09:45 PM (#3910485)
Yep, it's in Taunton. NYC office is at Brookhaven, Philly office is in mount holly, nj. Iirc, they moved the offices to the current locations so that the radars would be evenly distributed to provide redundancy in case of failure (eg today, when mount hollys radar is down)
   124. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: August 27, 2011 at 09:53 PM (#3910487)
It's a fairly small building.
   125. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: August 27, 2011 at 09:58 PM (#3910491)
Ray isn't far off.

Everyone in NYC is inside, stranded because of an oncoming hurricane. What better excuse to sit inside and watch some baseball -- Verlander going for his 20th maybe?

But instead, every single channel in NYC is local news spending all afternoon telling everyone inside, stranded because of an oncoming hurricane, that there's an oncoming hurricane.

Utterly, completely absurd. Beyond satire.
   126. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder Posted: August 27, 2011 at 09:58 PM (#3910492)
How small?
   127. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder Posted: August 27, 2011 at 10:00 PM (#3910494)
I thought New Yorkers were tough and resilient and ####. Sounds to me that you all are being a bunch of pussies.
   128. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: August 27, 2011 at 10:01 PM (#3910496)
Oh, look, there's Chris Christie!!!
   129. Ray (RDP) Posted: August 27, 2011 at 10:03 PM (#3910497)
I thought New Yorkers were tough and resilient and ####. Sounds to me that you all are being a bunch of pussies.


Everyone except for SugarBear and I.
   130. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 27, 2011 at 10:04 PM (#3910498)
I thought New Yorkers were tough and resilient and ####. Sounds to me that you all are being a bunch of pussies.

Hey! I'm looking forward to this!
   131. Pat Rapper's Delight Posted: August 27, 2011 at 10:05 PM (#3910499)
Here in Dallas, it's sunny and 106... just like it's been every day for the last six months.

We could sure use one of these little rain showers like you East Coasters are getting.
   132. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: August 27, 2011 at 10:06 PM (#3910501)
Fairly small.
   133. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder Posted: August 27, 2011 at 10:07 PM (#3910502)
Give me an approx square footage.
   134. Ray (RDP) Posted: August 27, 2011 at 10:08 PM (#3910503)
Bloomberg has turned the city into The Day After Tomorrow.

The problem is that it's the day before anything is expected to maybe happen.
   135. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: August 27, 2011 at 10:09 PM (#3910505)
3000?


edit...maybe 5000
   136. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder Posted: August 27, 2011 at 10:15 PM (#3910507)
That is not that small. I don;t think you really need that much space for a NWS Office.
   137. ray james Posted: August 27, 2011 at 10:20 PM (#3910510)
The problem is that it's the day before anything is expected to maybe happen.


I think the idea behind evacuation is to move people while it is still possible to do so, Ray.
   138. LionoftheSenate (Brewers v A's World Series) Posted: August 27, 2011 at 10:25 PM (#3910511)
Current deficit is projected >$1.4T. So if you zeroed out FEMA it would be $1.39T


This is the kind of thinking that will never get us out of our hole or love of spending. No single program approaches half and every time someone suggests a cut, they trot out the drop in the bucket argument. Which oddly is the exact same argument for not increasing the income tax on the rich. All are mere drops in the bucket.
   139. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder Posted: August 27, 2011 at 10:25 PM (#3910512)
Ray, you should start a class action lawsuit against the city. Maybe you can get some cash out of it.
   140. LionoftheSenate (Brewers v A's World Series) Posted: August 27, 2011 at 10:29 PM (#3910513)
Where are the levees for New York City? Serious question..
   141. Tuque Posted: August 27, 2011 at 10:30 PM (#3910514)
Where are the levees for New York City?

Williamsburg. They supposedly have great burgers, but I've never been.
   142. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: August 27, 2011 at 10:35 PM (#3910515)
Everyone except for SugarBear and I.

Pioneer still has plenty of cold beer (albeit at least 12 fewer bottles than they had 15 minutes ago).
   143. JE (Jason) Posted: August 27, 2011 at 10:38 PM (#3910518)
But instead, every single channel in NYC is local news spending all afternoon telling everyone inside, stranded because of an oncoming hurricane, that there's an oncoming hurricane.

Did you also check Channel 9? Here in DC, the game got switched to Fox-owned DC20.
   144. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: August 27, 2011 at 10:42 PM (#3910520)
I bet you can find Cartoon Network on the cable. Maybe Scooby Doo is on, or something just as wonderful.
   145. Benji Gil Gamesh Rises Posted: August 27, 2011 at 10:42 PM (#3910521)
But instead, every single channel in NYC is local news spending all afternoon telling everyone inside, stranded because of an oncoming hurricane, that there's an oncoming hurricane.
...and thereby showing programming that many people would rather watch than a baseball game at the moment.
   146. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: August 27, 2011 at 10:42 PM (#3910522)
Ray, you're not one of those "Global Warming is a Hoax" morons, are you?

Good lord.


Ray's not a global warming denier so much as an all-purpose denier. Whether it's a baseball player, a movie, a supposedly beautiful woman, a type of food, a scientific theory, anything. Whatever it is, you can count on him to say either that he doesn't understand why people care about it, or that it doesn't make sense to talk about it because it's functionally indistinguishable from hundreds of other things, or that maybe it might be important but it's unacceptable that someone out there has the wrong reason for thinking it's important, or that there's no evidence it exists at all. The role of all-purpose skeptic and killjoy about everything can be valuable on a societal level.
   147. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: August 27, 2011 at 10:43 PM (#3910523)
Did you also check Channel 9?

Tracking Irene.
   148. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: August 27, 2011 at 10:46 PM (#3910525)
...and thereby showing programming that many people would rather watch than a baseball game at the moment.

That ... or taking advantage of the opportunity to "showcase" their newsreading "talent" to a captive audience.
   149. Srul Itza Posted: August 27, 2011 at 10:47 PM (#3910526)
Where are the levees for New York City?


Borough Park, Williamsburg, and Crown Heights.

Oh, I'm sorry, I thought you said Levites.
   150. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: August 27, 2011 at 10:50 PM (#3910527)
Oh, look, there's a guy with a microphone standing on a sand dune with the wind blowing hard!!!!
   151. Benji Gil Gamesh Rises Posted: August 27, 2011 at 10:50 PM (#3910528)
That ... or taking advantage of the opportunity to "showcase" their newsreading "talent" to a captive audience.
Yeah, you're probably right, I'm sure it's got nothing to do with trying to get ratings.
   152. Karl from NY Posted: August 27, 2011 at 10:52 PM (#3910530)
Considering that it basically hit America at category 1 and will be downgraded to a tropical storm well before it reaches NY I think the hype was on the level of "over".


This wasn't known ahead of time, though. Around the timeframe of early Friday, it was solidly in category 2 and was legitimately projected to hit NYC at that strength. Then it shifted farther west from the original projections, going over more land sooner to weaken sooner. But the warnings dished out early Friday based on the best known information available then weren't so overhyped.

I'm still in my apartment, one block farther inland than official areas for evacuation, about half-a-story above ground and ~15 feet above sea level. We'll see what happens.
   153. Hysterical & Useless Posted: August 27, 2011 at 10:55 PM (#3910531)
Thanks to 'zop for providing some insight. Hope the storm fizzles, my younger son is more or less stranded in our Brooklyn apartment; here in northern Westchester I'm hoping that the already waterlogged ground doesn't become too bog-like tomorrow. And hoping no trees fall on the house (we just had a new roof put on last fall) or the car.
   154. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder Posted: August 27, 2011 at 11:14 PM (#3910541)
   155. shoewizard Posted: August 27, 2011 at 11:14 PM (#3910542)
I'm still in my apartment, one block farther inland than official areas for evacuation, about half-a-story above ground and ~15 feet above sea level. We'll see what happens.


Sounds like a plan. Good luck.

The city did the right thing evacuating. Hype or no hype, these things are unpredictable. People tend to go into denial, and most of the time that works. Sometimes it doesn't.

And you can't blame people for overreacting. There are doomsday disaster scenarios shown on Discovery and NGC 24/7. People are inundated with that stuff.
   156. Ray (RDP) Posted: August 27, 2011 at 11:24 PM (#3910548)
This wasn't known ahead of time, though. Around the timeframe of early Friday, it was solidly in category 2 and was legitimately projected to hit NYC at that strength.


Yes. "Projected."

That doesn't mean the city shouldn't take precautions, and I don't criticize Bloomberg for doing that. It's the people barracading themselves in their apartments a day before anything is supposed to happen that leaves me scratching my head.
   157. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: August 27, 2011 at 11:34 PM (#3910553)
The city did the right thing evacuating. Hype or no hype, these things are unpredictable. People tend to go into denial, and most of the time that works. Sometimes it doesn't.

What I don't get is that as long as you're in a multi-story building, you've got high ground right there. There is zero chance of a tidal surge that would make the 4th floor of a building unsafe.

Evacuating high-rises makes no sense to me.
   158.     Hey Gurl Posted: August 27, 2011 at 11:38 PM (#3910556)

Ray's not a global warming denier so much as an all-purpose denier. Whether it's a baseball player, a movie, a supposedly beautiful woman, a type of food, a scientific theory, anything. Whatever it is, you can count on him to say either that he doesn't understand why people care about it, or that it doesn't make sense to talk about it because it's functionally indistinguishable from hundreds of other things, or that maybe it might be important but it's unacceptable that someone out there has the wrong reason for thinking it's important, or that there's no evidence it exists at all. The role of all-purpose skeptic and killjoy about everything can be valuable on a societal level.


"Science is like a blabbermouth that ruins a movie by telling you the ending" -Ned Flanders
   159. shoewizard Posted: August 27, 2011 at 11:39 PM (#3910559)
What I don't get is that as long as you're in a multi-story building, you've got high ground right there. There is zero chance of a tidal surge that would make the 4th floor of a building unsafe.

Evacuating high-rises makes no sense to me.



Winds blow out windows......power outages....it's not all about the flooding I guess.

High-rise buildings are also vulnerable to hurricane-force winds, particularly at the higher levels since wind speed tends to increase with height. Recent research suggests you should stay below the tenth floor, but still above any floors at risk for flooding. It is not uncommon for high-rise buildings to suffer a great deal of damage due to windows being blown out. Consequently, the areas around these buildings can be very dangerous.


LNK
   160. CrosbyBird Posted: August 27, 2011 at 11:42 PM (#3910563)
Just stopped at the Rite Aid on 24th and 8th, mainly to check out how stocked the shelves were, because I didn't need anything. There's still some beer but a crappy selection.

I am 90% concerned about the subway being terrible when I have to work on Monday, and 10% concerned that something will fly off my terrace. My community has its own powerhouse so electricity is almost certain to stay on even if the rest of the city gets hit.
   161. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: August 27, 2011 at 11:54 PM (#3910570)
Do these come from Andy?

naa


They most certainly do. Here's the outfit that supplies the images to that Purdue store, and where in the #### do you think they got those images from in the first place?

Hint: It wasn't the tooth fairy.

And P.S. to Ray: They're fully licensed. You don't mess with the NC-Double-A.
   162. Johnny Sycophant-Laden Fora Posted: August 27, 2011 at 11:55 PM (#3910571)
Im not looking forward to losing power and when it goes I have little faith that Lipa will restore it quickly. I am also not looking forward to trying to get to my office Monday
   163. JE (Jason) Posted: August 28, 2011 at 12:08 AM (#3910580)
There's still some beer but a crappy selection.

What brands constitute a crappy selection of beer to someone in Chelsea?
   164. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 28, 2011 at 12:12 AM (#3910581)
High-rise buildings are also vulnerable to hurricane-force winds, particularly at the higher levels since wind speed tends to increase with height. Recent research suggests you should stay below the tenth floor, but still above any floors at risk for flooding. It is not uncommon for high-rise buildings to suffer a great deal of damage due to windows being blown out. Consequently, the areas around these buildings can be very dangerous.

Sweet. I'm on the 7th floor. The penthouse, baby!
   165. Karl from NY Posted: August 28, 2011 at 12:18 AM (#3910583)
Sounds like a plan. Good luck.

The city did the right thing evacuating. Hype or no hype, these things are unpredictable. People tend to go into denial, and most of the time that works. Sometimes it doesn't.


Not sure if your first line was sarcastic or not, but I'm hoping I'm not in denial. I'm staying home not because "I'm tougher than a lousy storm"; it's a rational calculation based on my 15-foot height above an expected 4-6 foot water surge, the very low cross-sectional exposure to wind of this low-rise building, and the fact that I don't really have much of anywhere convenient to go. Not least among concerns is the ability or inability to get back home afterwards, which could be difficult if the trains take a while to get running again. I'm not entirely comfortable with staying home, but it seems the least-bad option. I've taken reasonable preparations - bathtub and jugs full of water, a few days of packaged food (no cooking), flashlight handy.
   166. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: August 28, 2011 at 12:25 AM (#3910588)
Interesting goings on with the hurricane. The pressure is still very low, and it's reforming an eye-like structure on radar, but the hurricane hunters aren't finding hurricane force winds. Very interesting to see if the storm regains hurricane force winds, even as the pressure fills.
   167. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: August 28, 2011 at 12:46 AM (#3910605)
I am 90% concerned about the subway being terrible when I have to work on Monday
You should be 100% concerned about that. The Subway will be terrible on Monday under just about any circumstance, because they're extremely unlikely to be able to get back up and running until midday Monday at the earliest. If the storm actually comes and causes a fuss one way or the other--blackouts, flooding, whatever--that's only going to make it worse.
   168. Guapo Posted: August 28, 2011 at 12:52 AM (#3910607)
Drinking a Bear Republic Red Rocket Ale... fast becoming one of my favorites. I'm not sure it really qualifies as a red ale, but it's damn tasty.
   169. CrosbyBird Posted: August 28, 2011 at 12:55 AM (#3910608)
You should be 100% concerned about that. The Subway will be terrible on Monday under just about any circumstance, because they're extremely unlikely to be able to get back up and running until midday Monday at the earliest. If the storm actually comes and causes a fuss one way or the other--blackouts, flooding, whatever--that's only going to make it worse.

Oh, I meant 90% of my concern was about that. If the MTA is out, my classes will be canceled and I'll have another paid day off like today. On the other hand, if the subway is running, but just really poorly, then it will be a big nuisance. If so, I'm planning on leaving a bit early and sucking up the price of a few cabs.
   170. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: August 28, 2011 at 01:18 AM (#3910616)
I'm drinking Shock Top, which is pretty ordinary beer, but it is a very doable session beer, and this has a session beer feel about it.

If my office is open on Monday--likely, given what we do--I will walk and then fight with them about the lateness.
   171. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: August 28, 2011 at 02:19 AM (#3910631)
My neighbor's weeping willow fell and is blocking the street. It happened around 7:00 tonight, we have 14-16 hours to go before it starts to taper off and the winds hadn't even started howling.
   172. Ray (RDP) Posted: August 28, 2011 at 02:35 AM (#3910638)
10:30pm and all of us in NYC are still here.
   173. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: August 28, 2011 at 02:41 AM (#3910640)
You're a big man, Ray. Mother nature is no match for you.
   174. Karl from NY Posted: August 28, 2011 at 03:51 AM (#3910650)
You realize the center of the hurricane is still about 400 miles away, right?
   175. Ray (RDP) Posted: August 28, 2011 at 03:58 AM (#3910651)
You realize the center of the hurricane is still about 400 miles away, right?


It was tough to tell, what with the city being a ghost town today when I was walking to and from the office.
   176. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: August 28, 2011 at 04:09 AM (#3910654)
If Ray is swept away by a bizzare flash flood during Irene, I expect everyone to pitch in to write an epic story about how he was talking about how this flash flood was nothing to be alarmed about as he was swept under for the last time.
   177. Steve Treder Posted: August 28, 2011 at 04:12 AM (#3910655)
today when I was walking to and from the office

Don't tell me, let me guess: walking to the office, in a jaunty, confident stride, head high, eyes clear. The others, timidly peeking out at you through their locked-tight keyholes, marveled at your bravery.
   178. shoewizard Posted: August 28, 2011 at 04:21 AM (#3910658)
Karl

Only a little sarcastic. Sounds like you are doing everything you can. This is no joke. Thoughts are with you and all our friends in the area. I'm on a plane about to take off headed from HK to Seoul and then LA. Was supposed to fly into Newark arriving sunday afternoon.

Obviously that got canceled.
   179. Ray (RDP) Posted: August 28, 2011 at 04:35 AM (#3910660)
If Ray is swept away by a bizzare flash flood during Irene, I expect everyone to pitch in to write an epic story about how he was talking about how this flash flood was nothing to be alarmed about as he was swept under for the last time.


I imagine that would parallel the story of the author of Among Grizzlies: Living with Wild Bears in Alaska:

Timothy Treadwell (April 29, 1957 – October 5, 2003) was an American bear enthusiast, environmentalist, amateur naturalist, eco-warrior and documentary film maker. He lived among the coastal grizzly bears of Katmai National Park in Alaska, USA, for approximately 13 summers. At the end of his 13th summer in the park in 2003, he and his girlfriend Amie Huguenard were killed and eaten by a grizzly bear.
   180. Ray (RDP) Posted: August 28, 2011 at 04:48 AM (#3910665)
The coverage of this rainfall is so funny. Field reporters standing out in the... rain. Roving reporters driving around in their cars, pointing out the... rain. Desk anchors with concerned looks on their faces discussing the... rain.
   181. Guapo Posted: August 28, 2011 at 04:58 AM (#3910666)
If Ray is swept away by a bizzare flash flood during Irene, I expect everyone to pitch in to write an epic story about how he was talking about how this flash flood was nothing to be alarmed about as he was swept under for the last time.


Never saw him drown.

1 AM and still have power- I'm going to bed while I'm ahead.
   182. Foghorn Leghorn Posted: August 28, 2011 at 05:02 AM (#3910669)
It's actually in Taunton, isn't it? It's next door to where I work.
Tauntons are more important for a snowstorm than a hurricane.
   183. Howie Menckel Posted: August 28, 2011 at 05:05 AM (#3910670)
Hoboken and Atlantic City, two iconic NJ cities on opposite ends, both taking a nasty beating.

Hoboken shelter had to be evacuated due to flooding, folks taken to emergency site Izod Center in the Meadowlands (former home of Nets and Devils, now concerts and family shows).

Flooding, power outages, and beach erosion in Atlantic City.

Other power outages include Holmdel, home of PNC Bank Arts Center at Jersey Shore.

It's nasty out there.
   184. smileyy Posted: August 28, 2011 at 07:13 AM (#3910685)
The defense budget is $650B. That approaches half of $1.4T.
   185. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 28, 2011 at 08:17 AM (#3910687)
Hey fellas! No way I'm sleeping through this. A lot of rain right now in Manhattan but the winds aren't too bad yet. My only worry will be my windows--the building I live in was built as shoddily as possible in the 1970's and I doubt they splurged for high-wind resistant windows. I'm contemplating locking the cats in the bathroom. Buggers are attracted to windowsills like moths to a flame.
   186. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: August 28, 2011 at 10:21 AM (#3910689)
Since Ray doesn't seem to be bright enough to understand the danger of this storm: Stay indoors today, you dopey ######. You're a BTF treasure. We can't afford to lose you.
   187. Ray (RDP) Posted: August 28, 2011 at 10:38 AM (#3910691)
6:30am and it's been business as usual for me.
   188. Ray (RDP) Posted: August 28, 2011 at 10:41 AM (#3910692)
Roving reporter showing us a bird who has sought shelter.
   189. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: August 28, 2011 at 10:53 AM (#3910693)
No one help that bird! That bird should help itself! Life is hard!


edit...unless you want to help. If you don't, don't feel guilty about it. You have no obligation to help that bird.

Oh boy, it's gonna be a boring day if the power goes out. We're far enough east of the path so that all we're supposed to get is 50 mph sustained wind, but that could cause problems.
   190. Hysterical & Useless Posted: August 28, 2011 at 11:15 AM (#3910695)
Wind seems to have started up in earnest around 4am here. Got up at 4:30 to make coffee, in case power goes out later (dang propane stove has an electric ignition). But latest forecasts show highest winds only reaching about 40 mph, later this morning, with rain tapering off to showers by mid-afternoon. Pretty much the same (slightly higher winds) for central Brooklyn and Stamford (where I work). So unless a lot of trees fall on the roads, should be at work at usual time on Monday.
   191. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 28, 2011 at 11:39 AM (#3910696)
It's getting windier now, but not too bad. Kind of a let down, actually. I'll probably head out for a walk after Spurs play Man City.
   192. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: August 28, 2011 at 11:55 AM (#3910697)
Went out for a walk. No windows out on upper east side, though tallest building near me is only 20 stories or so. Plenty of twigs down and some larger branches- saw some guy take a nice hit on his bimmer - don't park under a tree next time, bud. Surge looks like 5 feet, enough to cause damage on the barrier islands, maybe a little bit of flooding downtown. Basically exactly as expected - similar or slightly worse than December 1992.
   193. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: August 28, 2011 at 12:02 PM (#3910698)
Here in Maine we have no electricity to knock out! I've put the cows in the barn, though.
   194. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: August 28, 2011 at 12:05 PM (#3910699)
WJ, I had to cut short my trip to Maine because all the Sunday trains/busses were cancelled. I'd rather be at Popham Beach.
   195. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: August 28, 2011 at 12:06 PM (#3910700)
Westport, MA, Jim's old hometown, is getting a lot of wind right now, and the surf is building.
   196. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: August 28, 2011 at 12:21 PM (#3910702)
There's a good amount of wind in Bristol, CT. My house about ten miles away features no electricity at last check. The rain filled up my pool nicely and is standing in parts of the yard, but nothing that we haven't seen before.
   197. Gamingboy Posted: August 28, 2011 at 12:23 PM (#3910703)
It's bizarre on CNN right now. Andersen Cooper is just getting rained on, but Long Beach actually looks like a hurricane is hitting (with the requisite shot of a lifeguard station or something floating and hitting something), and the Hudson River is topping it's banks near Battery Park. But Andersen Cooper just looks like he's having a crummy weather day.
   198. Repoz Posted: August 28, 2011 at 12:39 PM (#3910704)
I've never seen so many disappointed reporters.

Hey, get over here for a story...a Schwinn just blew over in the tenement yard!
   199. NJ in DC (Now with Wife!) Posted: August 28, 2011 at 12:41 PM (#3910705)
It really kills the dramatic effect of the CNN coverage when you can see random pedestrians walking around in the background. Nothing has happened in my area of the Bronx other than a steady rain and some leaves on the ground.
   200. Gamingboy Posted: August 28, 2011 at 12:49 PM (#3910706)
I've never seen so many disappointed reporters.


I can basically read Cooper's mind through the TV: "I should be in Libya right now."
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