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We already lost power here in New Haven. We also lost power on the fourth of the july. It may just be my street.
I'm pleased that the power is out and I can still post to btf.
Just think about it: even with all of this attention, lots of people haven't been taking the precautions. Just imagine how few people would take precautions if there HADN'T been all the media attention.
(It's tropical storm now, BTW)
Although I half-expected Ray's house to be the only one blown down, Hurricane Neddy style.
Homer: Oh Lisa, there's no record of a hurricane ever hitting Springfield.
Lisa: Yes, but the records only go back to 1978 when the Hall of Records was mysteriously blown away!
The force of the flow was so great, it was shooting out like a fire hose and aerosoling the air with water droplets, it was difficult for me to find where the water was coming from at first. What a mess.
Yup, you are still an #######.
"There are different people dead from this hurricane!"
Actually, someone left the door open at ESPN and all the hot air is escaping.
But before we start slamming the overhype, let's remember that it really could have been worse. It weakened so much by the time it hit NYC, because the center went over land for a large stretch in NJ starting from Atlantic City. (source: the wunderground.com map of the storm track's center.) A few miles east, well within the margin of error for any forecasts, and we would have gotten hurricane strength.
Yeah, that's why I noted the bird that they were following at one point. The whole thing took on a Capone's Vault kind of feel to it.
Well, there's a reason why the NYC area doesn't typically see major hurricanes.
This was nothing more than a heavy rain storm for us. I hate to say I told you so, but... no, I like saying that.
then again, when all the rain from upstate starts to flow down the rivers, you'll get hit with that, too, so it might be a bit early to start sucking each others dicks just yet.
The Hudson valley is supposed to get hammered when the rain off starts hitting the river. Jersey, too.
What's so funny is that this is the city that likes to think of itself as the meanest, toughest, baddest city in the world. Of course practically the entire country at some point along the way turned into a bunch of pussified, hysterical drama queens, and New York is no different.
It's gone, or you are, pal.
If this sort of thing convinces a small confederacy of dunces to ignore all weather warnings, then it'll eventually thin their numbers a bit.
And it's not true everywhere, Gamingboy. I can think of at least ten industries where overreaction is a far greater danger than underreaction, particularly for management.
Nobody was holding a gun to my head, forcing me to buy eggs or watch CNN.
Yes you are. Just because they can't tell you with 100% accuracy what's going to happen to you doesn't mean that nothing whatsoever is coming.
I sort of meant my "true everywhere" thing in the location sense.
As in, "It's unlikely that a major hurricane would hit New York City, but it's a good idea to be prepared."
Or, "It's unlikely that there will be a Earthquake in the Midwest, but more should be done to prepare."
Or, "It's unlikely that a tornado would hit downtown Chicago, but it's possible, preparations should be made."
Stuff like that. There are at least two documentary series that are based entirely on the premise that people have no idea how bad some worst case scenarios could be if people or governments didn't listen to warnings. There was a big National Geographic issue about how screwed up New Orleans would be if a major hurricane hit it, and after Katrina they basically ran a article where they quoted heavily from the first article and say what they got right and wrong.
And a male reporters hat blew off in Westport, MA. Now what?
This was good.
However, there was real science behind this one that projected a significant chance of a seriously dangerous storm. Refusing to prepare or heed the official warnings out of some silly sense of macho non-chalance is as stupid as overhyped entertainment news.
There are ideas. Some of which would actually be possible now if enough capital was thrown at them.
Yes. No reason not to shut it down at 10 PM instead.
1) The last runs began at noon. Some of the longer subway lines take nearly 2 hours for a full trip, and LIRR and Metro-North take well over 3 hours to their outermost reaches.
2) Then the equipment has to be moved to yards or other safe places.
3) Then the workers have to get home or to some storm shelter somehow, with the transit not running by definition.
4) There was a lot of rain even ahead of the center of the hurricane, with that front coming in from the northwest. The hurricane peaked in NYC at 9 am today but the bulk of the rain came well before that.
All in all, the noon shutdown was about right. There's a lot more to an operation of that magnitude than you might think. (Coke to RB, though I explained in more detail.)
On the Upper East Side, things look okay (of course, I'm just looking out my window). On the other hand, I have no hot water, but that happens in my building after most big storms.
North of Boston, it's not even windy. And it's not raining. And there's nothing in the radar that suggests we're going to have more rain.
FYI the storm hit NYC as a tropical storm.
Hoboken was so indundated with rain last night that they had to evacuate their own shelter to ship those folks to the Izod Center in the Meadowlands. The city is closed to incoming traffic, and no one can drive on the local streets, either. Record flooding of many rivers are expected in the next 48 hours, with awful results to come. Sections of many highways remain impassable.
Not exactly a yawner over here.
The media covered this hurricane the way they cover everything now--breathless hysterics
Plus Chris Christie scolding the yankees up in NJ, and the reporter in Va Beach becoming indignant about the people running around there..
This was a major disappointment for the weather channel and networks; when they play something up, damn it, they expect results, and not just a few flooded houses and unfortunate people getting hit by trees. They want Armageddon and broadcasting awards.
I have no issue with warning the public as to danger; I do have an issue with them refusing to admit that the degree of hysteria (Shooty is right in categorizing it as this) they present is overblown, and then admonishing the viewer repeatedly that "don't think that because it's just a Category 1 it's not dangerous! Listen to us! You stupid #####!".
So I should expect wind, north of the city?
They didn't want to get sued.
Sued?
I think this is true. But you originally said "eggagerates", which is a completely different phenomenon.
I have no problem with the MTA shutting down the trains so early, I doubt there were that many people who weren't planning on sticking to their homes/immediate neighborhoods after noon yesterday. Plus, considering the MTA's abysmal finances, they have every reason to play it conservatively and not risk any more expensive damage.
Maybe this is wrong, but I keep thinking that they're hedging against the storm actually being worse than expected. If they tell it like it is, and then the storm is worse than expected, wouldn't they run the risk of people suing them claiming they weren't warned?
Oh noes! Run. You run for your damned life!
No snark intended: You can't sue a news organization for this. There's no cause of action anyone could sue under. Suing a news org for defamation, yes. Suing a news org for failing to accurately predict the weather, no. A negligence-type cause of action doesn't work, for a variety of reasons.
Worst Cliff Notes Ever!
-Noah
I'm not really north shore, Joe (I'm in Malden), but the winds here are like 20 MPH, tops.
Good to know, thanks Ray. So many of these people are simply fomenting panic.
I'm on your side of this little discussion so don't take this the wrong way, but I just have to say...I don't really know what an "eggagerate" would be, but I do agree it sounds like quite the phenomenon.
Not exactly unusual for Hoboken, which is very low-lying, with parts of the city below sea level. The whole region has been getting ridiculously high amounts of rainfall for weeks, so this was just the icing on the cake.
Not everyone did this. The alerts from the city of new haven were remarkably reasonable - they laid out the chance of flooding and power outages, said to use common sense, and gave a number to call with questions.
1) Official Government warnings, which sound like they were well-advised and helped prevent some damage to the city, as well as giving people a heads up.
2) Network coverage, which (shockingly) sensationalized the story
It's like when there's an official bear warning for the area near my family's cottage. I don't take that as the government telling me I'm probably going to die unless I lock myself in a steel box immediately. I take it more as a "dude, take some precautions because if you get killed by a bear after being warned you're going to feel like an idiot".
I think you misspelled ratings there.
And Katrina was actually worse than what people were projecting.
My mistake, I'll do better next time.
Everywhere?
Right. Let's also remember that this thread is subject to a severe selection bias. If you were flooded or lost power, you're not posting here.
To blow away...what? The locals?
Yep.
What's so funny is that this is the city that likes to think of itself as the meanest, toughest, baddest city in the world. Of course practically the entire country at some point along the way turned into a bunch of pussified, hysterical drama queens, and New York is no different.
I bought a case of bottled water and some snacks, checked the batteries in my flashlight, and moved the stuff on my terrace close to the building wall so it wouldn't blow off. That's a ridiculous overreaction? I'm a drama queen?
Frankly, I'm sick of hearing your story already. Go blog about it, you self-obsessed diva.
"....an initial survey revealed flooded subway tracks, powerless commuter rail networks and fallen trees and branches that had rendered some rail routes impassable.
The New Haven line of the Metro-North Railroad had no power because of downed wires along its route. Parts of the Metro-North track along the surging Hudson River were flooded. Subway lines in parts of Brooklyn were also inundated."
Is this a common occurrence?
As far as the subway, no. The last time there was a major flooding was two (maybe three) years ago when a pump failed during a major rainstorm. If memory serves, they had it fixed within 36 hours.
A big portion of of the tunnels is underneath the water table, so it depends on a lot of constantly operating pumps to keep it clear. I wouldn't be surprised if the problems now have to do with a pump failure, maybe stemming from a power outage.
On the bright side New York, the Mets are now on a 5 day non-losing streak!
To individual incidents of unknown severity, yes. To every day happenings, no.
An exaggeration of an aggregate, probably.
Anyway, I'm about to go outside and walk a bit around the neighborhood, but I don't expect to see much damage. I am curious though about the construction site across from my building, where-- as of yesterday afternoon at least-- much of the debris hadn't been covered or secured.
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