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Highway 12 was reportedly breached near Rodanthe, on the Outer Banks south of the Cape Hatteras National Seashore, cutting Hattaras and Ocracoke Islands off entirely from the mainland. Highway 12 is also shut down north of Duck. State hopes to have emergency ferry service in place by Monday.
-- MWE
Damn private sector.
Irene was a dud here. Hell, I'm in town with my motor home and I just parked it under the 95 overpass, had a couple beers and went to sleep. Never once did the storm wake me up. I wasnt the only one either. Looked like an impromptu KOA under there.
Personally I'd move away from New York after a single winter.
Of course, I've seen people using snow chains without snow on the ground here too, so...
Just goes to show that God hates us all no matter where we live.
That description make Arkansans seem rather stupid for staying in Arkansas.
At times I wouldn't argue with that, but we have four seasons. Some places are all just variations of summer ot winter. It's nice here 90% of the year, but the transplants have a tendency to hysteria because of the kinds of bad weather we get even if it's not really any more dangerous here than anywhere else.
I often wonder why there aren't 250 million people living in Monterey, CA.
You make it sound like we have North Dakota weather.
The winter avg. temp. is in the mid-30's. In a normal year we get 2, maybe 3 real snow storms.
The summers are worse than the winters.
Most people actually like seasons.
Some of both, with a selection bias. The people for whom Ray was wrong can't be here on an internet forum to slam him.
I went to college at the University of Arkansas up in the Ozarks, your basically describing their winters (except were you have 3 snowstorms we have 2 and an ice storm) and it was too cold for me. I don't mind it getting that cold for December and January (which it does here), but 3 or 4+ months at those temperatures kills me.
Other than that, how was the play, Ms. Lincoln?
It's really only 2 months here too. Avg. daily highs are in the high 30's for Jan/Feb, but well into the 40's for Dec. and Mar.
Real "winter" is usually Christmas until the 1st week of March.
I was right, of course. Bloomberg over-prepared the city, but I get that he has to do that, to an extent. (He doesn't have to over-over-prepare the city, but whatever.) I reserve most of my mockery for those living in apartment buildings in obviously flood-safe areas of the city, who nevertheless felt the need to raid the stores for flashlights and batteries and excess food items. These people needed not one extra item of food as it turned out, and yet got so worked up over things that they engaged in this silliness anyway. And barracaded themselves in their apartments all day yesterday.
(My comments have always been limited to the city; I get that people living in houses or in flood-risk zones or in areas where the storm was expected to hit harder, such as further south, have to be sure they take necessary precautions.)
The media obviously overhyped the story, as is their m.o.
Bloomberg succeeded in getting people so worked up that the streets were bare yesterday (but for tourists, comically), and a lot of businesses lost a lot of money.
Apparently they should have gone to a football game instead. It would have been a lot safer.
The deaths were something like 16 tree related, 2 stupid surfers, 2 caused by downed wires, and two by flooding.
Do people usually hang out in the streets when there's a heavy storm with powerful wind?
Ray, I guess I must be dumb or something but how is taking an extra 15 minutes to pick up some batteries and food on the way home "raiding the stores" and "getting worked up"?
I mean, if anyone is being silly, it's you by "getting worked up" over the way other people chose to handle a potential risk of flooding and loss of service from the national grid. If you want to take a laissez faire approach, fine. But why must you insist everyone else share your philosophy, Mr. Libertarian?
New Yorkers do. They are a tough breed and laugh in the face of mother nature. Plus you can get New Caldonean take out at 4 am.
I asked this question a day or two ago, but is there a single part of the U.S. that isn't vulnerable to one type of natural disaster or another? (hurricanes, tornadoes, earthquakes, mudslides, forest fires, severe floods or dust bowls) I wonder what's the longest that any area in the U.S. has ever gone without suffering at least one of those.
If you want to see Ray really get worked up, tell him that a millionaire should be "victimized" by having his taxes used to pay for someone else's health care.
Speaking of witches, anyone heard from DMN? He lives in the path of the storm. I hope his family is safe. Him, not so much. But his family, yes. They endure enough without any grief from a natural disaster.
That's because you live in the weak, easy, hipster part of the state. Come try your luck in the snow belt. Between October and May, it's sunny for at least two weeks. Probably.
Northeast- blizzards, floods, hurricanes
Southeast- hurricanes, droughts, tornadoes, floods
Midwest- blizzards, tornadoes, floods, freeze snaps
Northwest- volcanoes, earthquakes
Southwest- droughts, earthquakes, landslides, floods
What's so funny is that this is the city that likes to think of itself as the meanest, toughest, baddest city in the world. Of course practically the entire country at some point along the way turned into a bunch of pussified, hysterical drama queens, and New York is no different.
Zzzzz. As someone who grew up on the Gulf Coast and faced the threat of multiple tropical events each year, I can attest that sometimes the storm fails to live up to the hype. Still, even with a cat. 1 or 2, the flooding can be deadly, particularly if landfall occurs during high tide and the storm takes an unexpected pause over a given area. And lengthy power outages suck, particularly in the heat of summer. Also, if you want to see "pussified, hysterical drama queens," I suggest visiting south Texas during snowfall.
Or just shut the #### up about that which you do not know.
Southeast- hurricanes, droughts, tornadoes, floods
Midwest- blizzards, tornadoes, floods, freeze snaps
Northwest- volcanoes, earthquakes
Southwest- droughts, earthquakes, landslides, floods
It really depends on where you are in the region.
About the only thing Chicago gets bothered by in terms of disasters is blizzards and the occasional flooding caused by humans and not by mother nature. Even the suburbs are relatively immune to most disasters. There have been a few tornadoes but I lived in the two towns in the Chicagoland area that had not seen and I believe still have not seen a tornado. Not to say it won't happen but for the most part the weather in the Chicagoland area is shvtty year round (except for 2 weeks in the spring and two weeks in the fall) but it just doesn't get to the biblical stage very often. Maybe once every 20 years or so.
If memory serves DMN is in Maryland, decent chance he's without power.
Yeah, the dolts...NOW what are they ever going to do with useless crap like food and batteries?
I had a guy down the block from me who spent the whole day building a wooden slide from his second story window out into the back yard. He warned me of the upcoming disaster and how he needed a quicker exit out for him and his equally kookie family.
Makes for a good Slinky ramp now.
edit...I know, Slinkies don't get splinters.
I was about to give the same answer. Compared to the Northeast, an average winter is worse in Chicago, but Chicago's very, very worst blizzards are rarer and milder than the Northeast's (the big blizzard we got this past winter was only like the 3rd time on record we got >20" of snow in one storm). The wider region is susceptible to tornadoes, but not in the city and nearby suburbs, at least not historically.
I think McCoy exaggerates how frequently our weather is shitty, but we do hit 90-100 frequently in the summer and drop below 0 a couple times every winter, but as far as major call-out-the-National-Guard-and-FEMA weather, it's pretty rare here.
That's a year in the Chicagoland area minus any references to skunks, mosquitoes and gnats.
I think your homeowners insurance will pick this up.....including removal cost
From growing up in Arkansas (tornadoes seemingly around every corner at certain times of year, as bigglou115 notes) & living in the New Orleans area (hurricanes, of course) & now in the middle of Alabama (tornadoes & the outer edges of hurricanes ... the Gulf Coast is about 3 hours away, but still, seven Septembers ago Ivan blew up far enough to leave my house without power for most of a week), the one time in my life I've had a sense of being utterly free of the capriciousness of weather was the 2 1/2 years I went to school in the Phoenix area.
Arizona is hot & dry, of course, but that's just the climate, period. Every now & then a bit of dust would blow up. Big deal.
I grew up in extreme southwest Arkansas (about 40 miles from Texas & 20 from Louisiana), & I recall only a couple of instances of debilitating winter weather. I still pay attention to conditions there because my sister is in a nursing home in our hometown, & damn if they don't seem to get waylaid by ice at least every couple of winters, far beyond anything I can recall from living there through my mid-20s.
Never lived farther north than North Little Rock. A couple of smallish snowfalls a year (around 3 inches, maybe) seemed to be the norm while I was there, except for the winter of '88 when we got something like 12.5. Jesus.
Sounds like something just hit my roof.
My M.I.L. has no power, no phone. Trees and wires down.
Or Ray!
Hurricane Gustav in 2008 received at least as much coverage as Irene and Irene may wind up causing as much or more damage.
Isabel received as much mainstream media coverage as Irene. And Irene looks like it may wind up being more damaging.
Per my research, which I'll be writing up later, Irene received only the 13th most media coverage among Atlantic hurricanes since 1980.
You left out a big one: fire. And that is very much weather-related.
For Southern California, what is the most likely month for each of those?
Drought: not acute, which obscures the question. If it doesn't rain all summer, that's normal. So a drought would happen over the wet months of winter and then become manifest the following summer.
Earthquake: Random (even if many long-time Californians swear there's such a thing as "earthquake weather.")
Landslide (or mudflow): January. See "flood".
Flood: In the coastal regions, January. On the other side of the mountains, as localized flash floods, August.
Fire: October. See "Santa Ana winds."
And then a big fire greatly increases the risk of flood/mudflow/landslide for the next several years in the region below where it burned.
And more an annoyance than a disaster - snowstorm which makes it impossible to leave Southern California by car in some directions: January.
With the exception of earthquakes, which are everyone's problem, most of these risks primarily affect those who choose to live in picturesque locations at the outer fringes of the metropolitan areas.
No doubt. We have a big facility in Syracuse, and when you hear what their winter is like, you feel bad for ever complaining.
8-10 inches of snow is NOT considered a valid reason to stay home from work up there.
Nope. Only damage to the house, and removing a tree from the house.
We had a big (100 ft+) tree hit our roof last March in a bad storm. All the house damage covered 100% w/o any trouble. The tree removal was split: they paid to get it off the roof, we paid to get it cut up and hauled away.
Talking to the adjuster (who's worked for many carriers) that's standard. You have homeowners insurance, not fallen tree removal insurance.
Oh, did we lose a couple of those surfers?
They showed people swimming on TV, in Martha's Vineyard, and in Falmouth. In the ocean. Just a couple of people, in each place.
I also want to hear how this happened:
1. Yes. (They don't "hang out" but they go out.)
2. It wasn't "a heavy storm with powerful wind" yesterday. There were some flashes of rain, but there were mostly periods of no rain.
People were inside, because they overreacted.
I mostly stayed inside, not because I overreacted but because I didn't feel like getting drenched walking from my front door to the car.
All things considered, I think the northeast is right up there as far as being natural-disaster free. None of the disasters you mentioned are extremely rare, and the only "regular" weather disaster (as in, you can expect it at least once a year) is a big snowstorm. I only remember there being a drought once in my 25-odd years of living here, for example, and then the only reason anyone noticed is that restaurants wouldn't give you water unless you asked for it.
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EDIT: Here's his actual quote (the second one):
"You should have left earlier, but if you didn't, our advice would be -- and you do it at your own risk... stay where you are," Bloomberg said from emergency headquarters. The storm will continue to worsen through the night, with officials keeping their eyes on 8 a.m. tomorrow, the next high tide. "We have warned the public and now we have to deal with what comes from Mother Nature," he said. "Your own safety depends on what you do."
Renegade tumbleweeds.
I'm going to venture a guess that those businesses employ people who live in other parts of the city and couldn't get to work. Unless you think they should not have shut down public transit at all, there's really nothing to be done.
This was an interesting path.
The eye basically passed right over my house, about a month after another hurricane had done the same.
Should the subways have remained open?
Yeah, it's a little sad really. There seems to be a dedicated group of posters who follow him around and spout puerile partisan whining for no particular reason.
He lost power.
Clearly you were not walking my dog last night. It was pretty heavy rain and wind strong enough to destroy umbrellas.
EDIT: Not dangerous weather, but certainly the kind that keeps people in their homes if they don't need to go out.
Hantavirus?
This was an interesting path.
Yeah, that is a good one.
Schools out for two weeks. This two years after "The worst ice storms in a decade!". Power out for two+ weeks. Fun times.
No, but I did get in my elevator with a guy walking his dog, and the dog shook his water-logged fur all over the freaking place. It's kind of rude that dog owners allow that to happen, but it's to be expected of them.
As with most heavy rain/wind storms. Nothing unusual there.
And during the day it was mostly fine.
When I was a kid in Lincoln, Nebraska, I watched the news coverage of Hurricane Elena. The weather people tracked the storm inland a ways, by the time it went into the interior of Texas it lost power and dropped off national coverage.
About two days after the last mention of Elena, I was outside playing, and a strange cloud passed over. It was doughnut-shaped. It rained for a few minutes, then stopped as the hole passed over, then rained for a couple of minutes again. I've never seen a cloud like that since.
I have often wondered if that was the remnant of Hurricane Elena. Watched the news that night but nobody mentioned it.
To be fair, this only happens to you.
I wait for an empty elevator when my dog is wet. Maybe people that live in your building are just inconsiderate people that happen to own pets?
As with most heavy rain/wind storms. Nothing unusual there.
Correct. And there's nothing unusual about people staying in when there's a heavy rain or wind storm, especially if the MTA is shut down, and I think you'd have to be crazy to suggest that shutting down the subway was a mistake.
I agree that Bloomberg prepared for the worst-case scenario and we got pretty much the best-case scenario, but that best-case scenario still has a bunch of flooded subway lines. It didn't need to be much worse to be a problem in Battery Park.
And during the day it was mostly fine.
I certainly wouldn't call it nice weather. We had intermittent periods where it wasn't raining at all, but we also had intermittent periods of pretty heavy rain during the day.
Again, just reasons for people to stay in. That's hardly hiding from monsters under the bed.
Well that's good news. The commute is going to be a mess, but we should be thankful it's going to be fairly cool tomorrow; a long wait on the platform in 90 degree heat is the last thing any of us need.
i know the media megahypes any sort of weather anything - and trouble is that things almost never turn out as bad as they say so people disrespect what hurricanes and floods can actually do even if there is not real too much wind.
it isn't stupid to be prepared for shtt happening - you should have plenty of extra batteries/flashlight/battery power fans, bottled water and stuff to eat don't need to be cooked or refrigerated
just because the media wants face don't mean that they are making the whole thing up
Well they'll need it at some point. Unless they bought meals which are only edible during hurricanes.
Californians moving in.
Yeah, and I've never heard anyone say "sh*t, I have too many damn AA batteries!"
Nope. Only damage to the house, and removing a tree from the house.
We had a big (100 ft+) tree hit our roof last March in a bad storm. All the house damage covered 100% w/o any trouble. The tree removal was split: they paid to get it off the roof, we paid to get it cut up and hauled away.
Talking to the adjuster (who's worked for many carriers) that's standard. You have homeowners insurance, not fallen tree removal insurance.
I'm going to talk to the insurance company just to make sure, but I'm pretty sure that snapper's right. We had a tree fall on the roof in July 2010, and the insurance covered (a) removing everything off the roof, (b) repairing the roof, and (c) removing everything in the vicinity of the roof. But it didn't cover the 90% of the lower part of the tree that fell across the entire back yard, and it didn't cover another tree that fell from another neighbor's yard onto ours. In this particular case, if the tree were to fall (which it definitely would if not cut down), the first few feet would land harmlessly in our yard, but the rest of it would crash over the fence and straight onto our neighbor's house---and AFAIK nobody's standard homeowner's insurance policy would kick in. This poor couple already had another tree (this one from their own yard) crush their garage in the middle of the night (fortunately without the car in it), and for people who only moved in a few months ago, they must be feeling pretty snakebit. I'm just hoping that with all the zillions of trees down around here, we'll be able to get it out of there before it crashes.
I suspect there was an aspect to that with Katrina. I was in New Orleans for the potential big storm before Katrina, and the general reaction of the people there was "not again". All of the warnings were essentially ignored by most people -- they'd been over-warned.
That said, there are certain preps that it's flat nuts not to take. Laying in 72 hours of supplies that you can eat if the power is out for instance. Because you can eat them anyhow. There is quite simply no downside to doing this.
Yeah, I'm sure that's why they rushed out to get it.
But who doesn't have 72 hours of food in their house? I could live for weeks on the non-perishables I have just laying around in the kitchen cabinet. For everyone I know it's the same. Under what scenario were people going to be trapped in their houses for weeks, with no access to food?
I don't know the details of this particular story, but I do know that, at least where I live, if you are under a mandatory evacuation order and choose not to leave, you are told that emergency services will not be available. If you stay in your home and suffer a heart attack, you're on your own. So, it's possible this woman was in a mandatory evacuation area and emergency services were not available.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Manhattan is an island, right? How about a scenario where you are trapped on an island for more than 72 hours, with 3 million of your closest friends, with no access to food?
It's not Castaway. There's plenty of food here. And it's not like it's miles to your neighbor's house.
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