You got to love the Andy-BTF argument cycle.

1. Andy says something.
2. Somebody disagrees with something Andy says.
3. Andy vigorously denies either saying it, anything wrong with it, or simply disagrees with the opposition.
4. Debate ensues.
5. Other people jump in to defend Andy but don't actually defend him based on the actual argument.

Case in point.

Hey Andy, Shylock is a racial slur

No it is not

Yes it is

Oops, sorry. Didn't mean it like that.

Andy is an anti-semite?? You guys are idiots for thinking that!

To be clear, I'm not defending Andy. In fact, I have him on my ignore list.

I's also like to say that beating up on Andy for using Shylock is absurd. Are we really that sensitive now?

I also seem to recall Ray and David being on the other side (with me) of similar language debates.

Maybe it's just that Andy's such a sob to argue with (your tactics and evasion are something special Andy, so you're not off the hook here) that you guys get frustrated, and look for anything to hand him on.

I also seem to recall Ray and David being on the other side (with me) of similar language debates.

I've never defended anyone's derogatory use of, e.g., the n-word.

Well now they are all up set because Andy said Shylock and you know me Al when I am afraid I may say something Unsensitive I ask my Skipper Ozzie Guillen. Skip I said what if I say Shylock is it Andysemitic. Ozzie Guillen said Keefe The Villainy you teach me, I will execute, and it shall go hard but I will better the Instruction. Yes Skip I said but what about Shylock. Lets say there is some Camel Jockey or some Kraut and I call him Shylock. Shylock is a bad name for a Jew but the Camel Jockey is not a Jew. So how is that a bad thing to say about a Jew Skip. First of all Keefe said Ozzie Guillen we have stopped saying Camel Jockey in this country long ago. The term you are looking for is American Son of Ishmael. And next of all what is this Kraut business. You sound like some 1 from 1 of those 40s movies Andy tapes so much of. The preferred term Keefe is Schnapps-Sucking American. OK Skip I said but what about Shylock. O Shylock said Ozzie Guillen. It sounds like a Literary Illusion. What harm, Keefe? If you prick me, am I not a prick? But all the same you should just say Dykstra-Deceiving American.

[901] is so true. Except instead of Andy saying "Oops, sorry, didn't mean it like that" Andy says "I'm sorry that you morons thought I meant it like that"

905 could be my favorite Jack Keefe post of all time.

I've never defended anyone's derogatory use of, e.g., the n-word.

You used it yourself on the last page. You edited the post and took it down, but it was there. You're the first to jump to the defense of people against the "PC police". Why would you pretend otherwise?

You used it yourself on the last page. You edited the post and took it down, but it was there.

?

Short memory?

905 could be my favorite Jack Keefe post of all time.

Seconded. Andysemetic is probably the best Keefe-ism ever. Well done!!

Andysemitic.

Oh hell yes.

It's impossible not to notice that the clowns jumping on Andy are the first to start whining whenever anyone remotely suggests that a careless use of language is surely meant derogatorily towards some group or other. Isn't one of their favorite whines about those dreadful pc police who terrify goodhearted righties into silent submission regarding any improper use of language?

It's not only ironic, it's laughable. We're talking about people who can't even get themselves to say that Strom Thurmond and Jesse Helms were racists. Keefe is, as usual, brilliantly treating this whole inane topic with exactly the level of mockery that it deserves.

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[901] is so true. Except instead of Andy saying "Oops, sorry, didn't mean it like that" Andy says "I'm sorry that you morons thought I meant it like that"

Well, it is true that you'd have to be pretty much of a moron to think that calling an Arab oil cartel a bunch of Shylocks is akin to anti-semitism. But considering the sources, it's not too surprising.

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To be clear, I'm not defending Andy. In fact, I have him on my ignore list.

Is that a promise?

Shylock? Trivia, where is they sting? How about shyster? Is that kosher?

But let us not resort to tarradiddle. Just keep in mind: Don't be a luddy-duddy! Don't be a mooncalf! Don't be a jabbernow! You're not those, are you?

It still qualifies as bigotry anytime you apply a stereotype to an entire group, regardless of whether the stereotype is positive or negative.

That does not match either my understanding of the word nor the dictionary definitions I googled. Now, I am not saying either (1) positive stereotypes can't be pernicious, or (2) bigots might not sometimes hold certain positive stereotypes. Both of those are true. But it is not bigotry "anytime" one applies a positive stereotype. Bigotry requires intolerance, not merely overgeneralization.

Is that a WC Fields quote, Morty?

It sounds like one.