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Sunday, March 17, 2019

The Legend of Pedey appears to be back for Red Sox

FORT MYERS, Fla. — Sometimes it seems The Legend of Pedey is greater than the man himself, which is saying something and, also, how legends—and love affairs—work, except that Pedey himself is still, you know, right here.

Dustin Pedroia is 35, has played in three baseball games since the fall of ‘17, stood with his chin on the rail as the Boston Red Sox put another championship on the wall, and otherwise, until lately, has dragged his bum left knee to and from the ballpark. As it is undeniably hard for him to watch a baseball game, it is perhaps harder still to watch him watch a baseball game, like watching a greyhound shiver in a starting gate. That never opens.

Having the Red Sox win with Pedroia in a hoodie, and with them barely breaking a sweat in October, still has a one-arm-tied-behind-their-back vibe to it, if only in part because of The Legend of Pedey. (And, also, because Red Sox second basemen ranked 14th in the American League in OPS.)

“Pedey”?

 

QLE Posted: March 17, 2019 at 07:23 AM | 28 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: dustin pedroia, nicknames, red sox, spring training

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   1. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: March 17, 2019 at 07:47 PM (#5823346)
Dude was nearly a 6 WAR player in 2016. In April 2017 Machado wrecks part of his season with a cheap sh*t slide into 2B that has now required multiple surgeries on the knee....and he hasn't, nor ever will be the same again.

Pedroia was approaching borderline HOFer after 2016 and Machado's dirty play has pretty much ruined any chance Pedroia has of getting into the HOF. I'd be curious as to what Pedroia really thinks of that?
   2. shoelesjoe Posted: March 17, 2019 at 08:32 PM (#5823350)
Pedroia probably realizes that the play where he was injured was unfortunate, but not dirty or deliberate (such as throwing a 98 mph fastball at Machado’s head).
   3. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: March 17, 2019 at 08:44 PM (#5823351)
play where he was injured was unfortunate, but not dirty or deliberate


Seriously???. F*ck off. Watch the video. Not only does Machado slide over the bag, he also deliberately lifts his leg(before it even hits the bag, so you can't use that excuse) and spikes Pedroia on the knee. It's dirty, it's deliberate and it changed the course of a great player's career.

Pedroia would never say anything whilst he is still playing but after he retires, I'd be curious as to what he has to say about it then.
   4. Jose is Absurdly Unemployed Posted: March 17, 2019 at 08:59 PM (#5823352)
“Pedey”?


Really? Pretty standard nickname for Pedroia. He is referred to as such pretty regularly.
   5. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: March 17, 2019 at 09:14 PM (#5823354)
I still think of him as "Petunia", but I love watching him play, even if he is part of the Real Evil Empire.
   6. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: March 17, 2019 at 09:23 PM (#5823356)
I've never seen "Pedey" before. Do people say it out loud? How is it pronounced?
   7. Jay Seaver Posted: March 17, 2019 at 09:58 PM (#5823361)
It pretty much sounds like "P-D", though it can come across as "Petey" because that's what folks hear more often.
   8. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: March 17, 2019 at 11:37 PM (#5823368)
Yeah, Pedey is a pretty common (and uninspired) nickname for Pedroia. Laser Show is way better.
   9. Jose is Absurdly Unemployed Posted: March 18, 2019 at 12:00 AM (#5823370)
Terry Francona pretty much shortened everyone’s name into somethingending in an “eee” sound. Even Adrian Gonzalez was “Gonzee”.
   10. QLE Posted: March 18, 2019 at 12:30 AM (#5823374)
I've never seen "Pedey" before.


Same here, hence the reaction- and I've spent around half a year in Boston in recent times, albeit not during the baseball season.

As for Pedroia as a HOF- as someone with a peak orientation, I'd argue he is deserving even with the post-2016 career that he's had. The bigger issue: by my calculations, there are four second basemen who were active last year who fit that criteria (Utley, Cano, Pedroia, and Kinsler), and, after Cano's PED bust, there's a less-than-zero chance that none of them will enter the HOF.
   11. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: March 18, 2019 at 01:32 AM (#5823377)
the play where he was injured was unfortunate, but not dirty or deliberate

Counterpoint: It was Machado. Occam's razor says it was deliberate.
   12. villageidiom Posted: March 18, 2019 at 09:22 AM (#5823394)
Seriously???. F*ck off. Watch the video. Not only does Machado slide over the bag, he also deliberately lifts his leg(before it even hits the bag, so you can't use that excuse) and spikes Pedroia on the knee. It's dirty, it's deliberate and it changed the course of a great player's career.
I'm still in the camp that the slide was

(a) deliberately hard to break up the double play, and was a violation of the Utley rule (as he was unable, nor attempted, to remain on the base after completion of the slide);

AND

(b) not intended to spike Pedroia.

And yes, I've watched the video. I stand by my earlier comments.

Counterpoint: It was Machado. Occam's razor says it was deliberate.
Pfft. With Machado, Occam's Razor says it was careless.
   13. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: March 18, 2019 at 09:41 AM (#5823400)
Dude was nearly a 6 WAR player in 2016. In April 2017 Machado wrecks part of his season with a cheap sh*t slide into 2B that has now required multiple surgeries on the knee....and he hasn't, nor ever will be the same again.

Pedroia was approaching borderline HOFer after 2016 and Machado's dirty play has pretty much ruined any chance Pedroia has of getting into the HOF. I'd be curious as to what Pedroia really thinks of that?


Counterpoint: Over-30 second basemen age like a gallon of milk left in a hot car, and Pedroia was coming off a two-win season that was wrecked by injuries. There's a good chance that even if he didn't get hurt on that particular play, his career was always going to end up right where it is anyway.
   14. Jose is Absurdly Unemployed Posted: March 18, 2019 at 09:49 AM (#5823406)
It's amazing to me that "Pedey" isn't commonly known. It's really standard way of referring to him around here. Oh well, learn something new every day.
   15. Nasty Nate Posted: March 18, 2019 at 10:15 AM (#5823417)
Well, they announced he's starting the season on the IL.
   16. Rusty Priske Posted: March 18, 2019 at 10:26 AM (#5823424)
The play seemed both unintentional AND dirty.

As in, I don't think Machado was specifically trying to take out Pedroia as much as playing dirty is his normal mode of play. (Look at his reaction afterwards.)

That makes it way worse, imo.
   17. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: March 18, 2019 at 11:06 AM (#5823445)
Pedroia would never say anything whilst he is still playing but after he retires, I'd be curious as to what he has to say about it then.
Eh, Pedroia seems like one of those Joe Maddon guys who will never acknowledge that the new rules exist and will keep insisting that those kinds of slides are "good hard baseball plays."
   18. SoSH U at work Posted: March 18, 2019 at 11:39 AM (#5823457)
The play seemed both unintentional AND dirty.

As in, I don't think Machado was specifically trying to take out Pedroia as much as playing dirty is his normal mode of play. (Look at his reaction afterwards.)


That was my take. It just seemed reckless. And given what we've seen from Machado since then, he doesn't really have much concern about whether he injures guys.


Eh, Pedroia seems like one of those Joe Maddon guys who will never acknowledge that the new rules exist and will keep insisting that those kinds of slides are "good hard baseball plays."

Agreed.
   19. Petunia inquires about ponies Posted: March 18, 2019 at 12:10 PM (#5823475)
Machado is a dirty player and that was a dirty play. I agree with some of the refinements later in the thread but I also heartily endorse everything about [1] and [3].
   20. Jose is Absurdly Unemployed Posted: March 18, 2019 at 12:33 PM (#5823499)
I just received an email from coworker who knows I’m at spring training. In its entirety it said “How’s Pedey look?”
   21. rconn23 Posted: March 18, 2019 at 12:34 PM (#5823500)
Pedroia has had an OPS of more than 800 once since 2011. Excellent defense and all, he should not be a borderline HOF.
   22. Traderdave Posted: March 18, 2019 at 12:54 PM (#5823513)
Pedroia is a first ballot HOF-er (specifically, the Red Sox post 1975 HOF.)





   23. John DiFool2 Posted: March 18, 2019 at 12:55 PM (#5823515)
The bigger issue: by my calculations, there are four second basemen who were active last year who fit that criteria (Utley, Cano, Pedroia, and Kinsler), and, after Cano's PED bust, there's a less-than-zero chance that none of them will enter the HOF.


Damned shame. Right now the best post-Biggio bet might then be Altuve. If he flames out, then it might be a rather long time before the next [chronological] 2B gets elected.

[*Whitaker of course is the #1 current eligible candidate.]
   24. Srul Itza Posted: March 18, 2019 at 01:32 PM (#5823528)
From 2007 to 2016, Pedroia produced a little over 50 WAR in 10 years.

Along the way, he picked up a Rookie of the Year, and MVP, 2 rings, 4 Gold Gloves and 4 All Star selections.

To my mind, that is a reasonable HOF case.

YMMV
   25. Tom Nawrocki Posted: March 18, 2019 at 01:59 PM (#5823536)
there's a less-than-zero chance that none of them will enter the HOF.


I've been trying to parse this all day, and I still don't know what it means.
   26. jmurph Posted: March 18, 2019 at 02:16 PM (#5823541)
I think Utley and Pedroia get in one way or another, likely a veterans committee down the line.
   27. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: March 18, 2019 at 02:29 PM (#5823547)
I've been trying to parse this all day, and I still don't know what it means.

I think he meant greater than zero.
   28. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: March 18, 2019 at 08:15 PM (#5823608)
What I worry about for Pedroia's HOF case is that he'll stop a little short of the counting numbers that would help a lot. On one hand, you could argue that if he doesn't get spiked early in 2017, he is closing in on 2000 hits right now, rather than the 1803 he has entering 2019.

On the other hand, he's missed a lot of games due to injury over his career, and has played in many others where his health compromised his performance (especially his power, at times). This makes projecting future career counting stats really tough to do with a guy like Pedroia, in particular.

I love him, but unless he's got more left in the tank than it appears, I think he falls short of the HOF.

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