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Tuesday, August 28, 2018

The making of a modern closer: The meteoric rise of Edwin Díaz, explained – The Athletic

Some nice insight On one player’s development.

Stottlemyre: “This all goes with something I remember my dad (former Yankees and Mets pitching coach, Mel Sr.) always telling me about pitchers. He would say, ‘You never know when things are going to click.’ You work with these guys, have long sessions with them, and then all of a sudden, it’s like something clicks, and it starts to resonate.

“With Eddie, I have seen a guy who carries himself differently now. He has a much better understanding of who he is. That’s big. That takes time. In our eyes, we didn’t know if that was going to come this season or next season.”

Jim Furtado Posted: August 28, 2018 at 08:11 AM | 14 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Rally Posted: August 28, 2018 at 09:09 AM (#5734661)
He's been about as good a reliever as you could hope for. At this point we'll probably never know how good a starter he might have been. Before he was called up in 2016 he made 16 appearances in AA, 6 of them starts. In the starts his K-W was 38-5, in 29 innings.

That's really good but of course no guarantee he would keep that success moving up two levels, or be able to handle a starter workload. His path to the pen is similar to Papelbon or Osuna - moved to the pen before he gets a chance to fail as a starter, as opposed to the Rivera/Wade Davis/most everyone else who go from failed starter to ace reliever.
   2. flournoy Posted: August 28, 2018 at 11:53 AM (#5734785)
Meteors don't rise.
   3. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 28, 2018 at 12:25 PM (#5734834)
“With Eddie, I have seen a guy who carries himself differently now. He has a much better understanding of who he is. That’s big. That takes time.
That also doesn't mean anything and is just ex post facto mumbo jumbo.
   4. This is going to be state of the art wall Posted: August 28, 2018 at 12:58 PM (#5734876)
Perfect storm in Seattle for him to get the record. Thoroughly mediocre club that has mediocre starting pitching, a mediocre offense (that isn't going to run away from anybody) and a solid bullpen capped by the (and he is amazing) amazing Diaz going balls to the wall for a WC birth with no innings or work limits on him.

Could he have been a good starter? Probably, but it seems like as far as outcomes, being an elite closer is a pretty good one for his career and the Mariners.
   5. Best Dressed Chicken in Town Posted: August 28, 2018 at 06:29 PM (#5735099)
Rivera was not a failed starter.
   6. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: August 28, 2018 at 06:57 PM (#5735110)
Meteors don't rise.


That depends on your frame of reference.
   7. Walt Davis Posted: August 28, 2018 at 10:41 PM (#5735247)
Rivera was not a failed starter.

Sure he was. He started almost exclusively in the minors, maybe some injuries involved, didn't make the majors until age 25. He started when he came up and got knocked around to the tune of an ERA near 6. That's a failed starter. The next year they shifted him to the pen at age 26.

Contrast say with Hoffman who was a pure reliever his first year in the minors, then the Reds tried him briefly as a starter the next year in the minors before putting him back in the pen at 24, then never made a start in the majors.
   8. flournoy Posted: August 29, 2018 at 01:14 PM (#5735524)
Trevor Hoffman was more of a failed shortstop.
   9. Golfing Great Mitch Cumstein Posted: August 29, 2018 at 03:46 PM (#5735720)
What's up with linking to subscription websites?
   10. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: August 29, 2018 at 03:57 PM (#5735733)
What's up with linking to subscription websites?

The Athletic is probably the best sports website going. It has hired a bunch of the big name writers who've left traditional media outlets. It makes sense to support good sports journalism.

I'd recommend taking the free trial. I subscribe; it's worth it.
   11. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: August 29, 2018 at 04:23 PM (#5735753)
What's up with linking to subscription websites?


I don't have a subscription but I have no problem with it. It's a good way for me to find out what might be a good site to spend my money on and even if I don't often the piece is good enough that it generates interesting discussion.
   12. This is going to be state of the art wall Posted: August 29, 2018 at 05:05 PM (#5735790)
the Athletic is the future (if there is any) in for profit reporting and analysis based sports writing. They've poached quite a few traditional papers for writers, and done a good job with it. Deadspin and SB Nation writers often rag on them (a mix of jealousy and fear probably) but I've found the Chicago and Michigan sports reporting far and beyond what you can get anywhere else. It's not even close. James Fegan on the White Sox beat has provided more great reporting and analysis in 18 months than the Tribune or Sun Times produced in the entire decade prior. Fegan's interview with White Sox farmhand Ian Clarkin produced the "the Bessssss" moment with Eloy after he called his shot pregame. That has incalculable value to the hard core fans.

And it's not expensive. At any given time you can find a discount code that will get you a year for about $25. Do it.
   13. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: August 29, 2018 at 05:12 PM (#5735794)
but I've found the Chicago and Michigan sports reporting far and beyond what you can get anywhere else. It's not even close. James Fegan on the White Sox beat has provided more great reporting and analysis in 18 months than the Tribune or Sun Times produced in the entire decade prior.

I haven't checked out the team by team stuff. Need to do that.
   14. This is going to be state of the art wall Posted: August 29, 2018 at 05:35 PM (#5735816)
I haven't checked out the team by team stuff. Need to do that.


They hire great writers. They hired the UM Hoops guy Dylan Burkhurtdt to augment their UM Hoops coverage -- amazing! I pay $5 a month for Dylan's blog it's so good by itself, and then he does more content for the Athletic as well. This is gold for hardcore sports fans, it's a level of coverage the traditional papers haven't provided in a long time, probably since the early aughts.

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