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Friday, July 14, 2017

The Marlins are completely weird, but one day they’ll be a baseball powerhouse

The Marlins won, and they said “nope.” Then they won again, and they said, “Eh.” They got a brand new stadium, and they pretended like they weren’t going to say “nope” again, but then they said “NOPE,” all-caps. Those decisions might have made sense to the people making them at the time, but they led to some pretty thick scar tissue for anyone interested in Miami baseball.

That will change. New owners are coming in, with Derek Jeter fighting against Jeb Bush, unless they’re working together to stop Mitt Romney, unless that’s Tagg Romney, unless Michael Jordan is about to dunk on all of them, or form partnerships, or ... look, it’s a mess, but the larger point is that Jeffrey Loria is going to turn $158 million into about $1.5 billion. If you’re mad that a rich person gamed the system to get richer, oh, buddy, we’re going to be here for a while. Just let that part go.

The new owners, though, won’t have the patience to be weird. They won’t see the profit in punching their fans in the nose. That’s too much money to futz around. They’ll see the positives. The gift of a ballpark. A region that is looking forward to not getting punched in the nose. A huge, untapped market.

Being weird won’t be cost-effective, and you’ll get used to the Marlins. They’ll have ups and downs, just like every other team, but they’ll shed that identity. They’ll just be a team, one of the 30 in Major League Baseball. Maybe a little richer, even. This is the end of the roller coaster, and the Miami Marlins would like to offer you a nice, unremarkable carriage ride through the park. All it will take is a lot of time, and a lot of trust-building.

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: July 14, 2017 at 12:54 PM | 24 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jeff Frances the Mute Posted: July 14, 2017 at 01:59 PM (#5493658)
The author of this piece seems to think that the Marlins HR sculpture will be an iconic item in the future. It seems like something that is likely to get purged by the new ownership so it may not have a future.
   2. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: July 14, 2017 at 02:05 PM (#5493662)
The new owners, though, won’t have the patience to be weird. They won’t see the profit in punching their fans in the nose. That’s too much money to futz around.


How can he be so sure?

Two -- TWO! The only 2 the team has had, in fact -- ownership groups have done that very thing. It's not really too big a stretch to think a third would do the same.
   3. Tony S Posted: July 14, 2017 at 02:11 PM (#5493669)
It will be interesting to see how the Marlins do under non-douchey ownership, something this franchise has never had. It's a large, relatively prosperous metro area (if geographically constrained), but the organization has always been so cynically run that it's never developed a fan base worthy of a major league team. For the sake of baseball, let's hope the new ownership operates in good faith. There could be a lot of pent-up baseball interest to unlock...
   4. Jose is an Absurd Doubles Machine Posted: July 14, 2017 at 02:24 PM (#5493682)
how the Marlins do under non-douchey ownership


Derek Jeter
Mitt Romney
Tagg Romney
Michael Jordan
Jeb Bush

Maybe not douchey but that's as vanilla a group of potential owners as you can find. Jordan has in fact owned a professional sports team and we have these quotes from the New York Times (emphasis mine);


The league is facing an equal threat from a group of 10 to 14 owners — led by Charlotte’s Michael Jordan — who are determined to cap the players at 50 percent, according to a person who has spoken with the owners. The hardliners are expected to reiterate that stance when all 29 owners meet Saturday morning in Manhattan, about six hours before the bargaining session.


As a historical matter, during the last labor crisis, in 1998, Jordan famously challenged Abe Pollin, the Washington Wizards owner at the time, reportedly bellowing, “If you can’t make a profit, you should sell your team.


   5. Bote Man Posted: July 14, 2017 at 02:34 PM (#5493698)
The author of this piece seems to think that the Marlins HR sculpture will be an iconic item in the future. It seems like something that is likely to get purged by the new ownership so it may not have a future.

Yet the Mets have that giant apple that rises up after a Mets player hits a home run, and that's perfectly OK. But, gotta keep that "hate the HR sculpture" narrative alive, at least in the national press.
   6. catomi01 Posted: July 14, 2017 at 02:50 PM (#5493717)
How different is baseball today if the 1st ownership groups of the Marlins and Rays were different? Since inception, the Marlins have always seemed the more promising of the two, but both markets seem like they easily could have been made successful and profitable long-term if handled better.
   7. Tony S Posted: July 14, 2017 at 02:51 PM (#5493719)
Maybe not douchey but that's as vanilla a group of potential owners as you can find.


"Vanilla" ownership would be a quantum step forward for the Marlins.

Those Jordan quotes are unpromising, though...
   8. The Yankee Clapper Posted: July 14, 2017 at 02:53 PM (#5493725)
Miami, and south Florida, is a decent size market, with a new stadium. and we've been told that the Hispanic population there has a great interest in baseball. Seems like that there ought to be a path to success by rapidly rinsing off the Loria-taint, and convincing the locals that new ownership is invested for the long haul. Lots of players already live in Florida (no income tax & climate allows year-round workouts) - it shouldn't be that hard to get them to play for a Florida team.
   9. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: July 14, 2017 at 02:57 PM (#5493730)


Derek Jeter
Mitt Romney
Tagg Romney
Michael Jordan
Jeb Bush


How could you forget about Pitbull?!
   10. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: July 14, 2017 at 03:03 PM (#5493739)
Two -- TWO! The only 2 the team has had, in fact -- ownership groups have done that very thing. It's not really too big a stretch to think a third would do the same.

John Henry owned the team between Huizenga and Loria.
   11. Tony S Posted: July 14, 2017 at 03:15 PM (#5493753)
John Henry owned the team between Huizenga and Loria.


The Mike Piazza of Marlins owners.
   12. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: July 14, 2017 at 03:56 PM (#5493779)
Yet the Mets have that giant apple that rises up after a Mets player hits a home run, and that's perfectly OK. But, gotta keep that "hate the HR sculpture" narrative alive, at least in the national press.


apples & oranges. The apple is a little more "tasteful." The Miami thing looks like a pachinko machine on steroids.
   13. The Yankee Clapper Posted: July 14, 2017 at 04:06 PM (#5493787)
The Miami thing looks like a pachinko machine on steroids.

I wouldn't want to see it copied everywhere, but I'm OK with the Miami HR celebration thing. It just needs a better name.
   14. Stormy JE Posted: July 14, 2017 at 04:22 PM (#5493798)
apples & oranges.
Actually, it's apples and dolphins.
   15. Stormy JE Posted: July 14, 2017 at 04:23 PM (#5493799)
I wouldn't want to see it copied everywhere, but I'm OK with the Miami HR celebration thing.
It will look great in pinstripes.
   16. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: July 14, 2017 at 04:27 PM (#5493802)
I wouldn't want to see it copied everywhere, but I'm OK with the Miami HR celebration thing. It just needs a better name.


Agree. It's as Miami as the big apple is NY, or the giant beer mug is Milwaukee.

edited for clarity
   17. Traderdave Posted: July 14, 2017 at 04:46 PM (#5493809)
rinsing off the Loria-taint


It will take many, many drinks to get that thought out of my head
   18. Jose is an Absurd Doubles Machine Posted: July 14, 2017 at 04:52 PM (#5493814)
I wouldn't want to see it copied everywhere, but I'm OK with the Miami HR celebration thing. It just needs a better name.


What is it named?
   19. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: July 14, 2017 at 04:55 PM (#5493815)
The Miami thing looks like a pachinko machine on steroids.

Obligatory.
   20. Nasty Nate Posted: July 14, 2017 at 04:59 PM (#5493816)
I quickly poked around the Marlins' official website, and on this page its title is simply "Home Run Sculpture."
   21. geonose Posted: July 14, 2017 at 05:21 PM (#5493822)
The apple is a little more "tasteful."

The apple also has the grace to disappear between uses.
   22. Bote Man Posted: July 14, 2017 at 05:25 PM (#5493824)
The apple also has the grace to disappear between uses.

As does the Mets pitching in certain years. POW!!
   23. Nasty Nate Posted: July 14, 2017 at 05:47 PM (#5493830)
As does every team's pitchers...every year
   24. Batman Posted: July 14, 2017 at 05:51 PM (#5493831)
If an infinite number of monkey owners own the Marlins for an infinite amount of time, they will eventually build a powerhouse.

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