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The Marlins are not a baseball team. They’re a kleptocracy | HardballTalk

Truth like this always hurts, especially if you are a Marlins fan or a taxpayer sold down the river by a corrupt political process.

The Marlins are not a baseball team. They’re a kleptocracy. Jeff Loria and his cohorts are cynical liars who care nothing about baseball beyond the cash it allows them to extract from gullible fans, corrupt politicians, unwitting taxpayers and a complicit league office, all of which they have either explicitly called stupid or clearly assume to be based on their actions.

Jim Furtado Posted: November 14, 2012 at 09:33 AM | 58 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: economics, jeffrey loria sucks, marlins

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   1. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: November 14, 2012 at 09:37 AM (#4302224)
What happened to the kelp?
   2. TerpNats Posted: November 14, 2012 at 10:16 AM (#4302244)
He took the formula and became Buddy Love.
   3. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: November 14, 2012 at 10:42 AM (#4302259)
Other than voting for Obama a couple of times, has anything good and right ever come out of Florida? The Marlins are only the latest examples of the underlying character of this state's entire sorry history.
   4. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: November 14, 2012 at 11:06 AM (#4302270)
Deborah Harry was born in Miami.
   5. Gamingboy Posted: November 14, 2012 at 11:36 AM (#4302295)
Disneyworld is pretty fun. I mean, it's part of a big omnipresent corporation, but it can't be denied that it's one of the better parts of the omnipresent corporation.
   6. dlf Posted: November 14, 2012 at 11:38 AM (#4302298)
Other than voting for Obama a couple of times, has anything good and right ever come out of Florida?


Conch fritters at Alabama Jack's on Card Sound Road in Key Largo.
   7. Booey Posted: November 14, 2012 at 11:42 AM (#4302302)
Other than voting for Obama a couple of times, has anything good and right ever come out of Florida?


Alligators are kinda cool...
   8. Jarrod HypnerotomachiaPoliphili(Teddy F. Ballgame) Posted: November 14, 2012 at 11:45 AM (#4302308)
Tom Petty is from Florida, and so is a favorite writer of mine, Jeff VanderMeer.
   9. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: November 14, 2012 at 11:51 AM (#4302312)
The neighborhoods to the east of downtown Orlando are very charming - brick streets, roundabouts, huge oak trees with dripping Spanish moss...
   10. Fernigal McGunnigle has become a merry hat Posted: November 14, 2012 at 11:52 AM (#4302317)
There's a tapas place in St. Petersburg that's pretty good.
   11. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: November 14, 2012 at 12:02 PM (#4302328)
Great players born in Florida include Steve Carlton, Andre Dawson, Gary Sheffield, and BBTF Fave Tim Raines. For Andy, both Tino Martinez and Mickey Rivers (Yankees upon whom I assume he looks fondly) come from the state.

Of course, Steve Garvey was also born there, so that's one in the negative column.
   12. boteman Posted: November 14, 2012 at 12:07 PM (#4302337)
I don't understand all this angst over the "taxpayers of Miami getting worked over". It's not like Loria invented corruption in Miami, he just joined the long-standing history of graft and corruption already established there. If the dear citizens (and former- and soon-to-be-again-Cubans) didn't like it they would have moved elsewhere long ago. It's just the way things are done down hee-uh.

At least they kept Stanton's muscular butt to keep putting some butts in the seats. So there's that.

Oh, and Samson runs foot races.
   13. Misirlou has S.C.M.O.D.S Posted: November 14, 2012 at 12:07 PM (#4302340)
Other than voting for Obama a couple of times, has anything good and right ever come out of Florida?


Carl Hiaasen, Dave Berry, Elmore Leonard.
   14. JJ1986 Posted: November 14, 2012 at 12:08 PM (#4302343)
Leonard's from Detroit.
   15. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: November 14, 2012 at 12:13 PM (#4302352)
Ker's* Wing House is a sleazier Hooters with much better food, so I'm a big fan.

* - As in, Crawford Ker, O-lineman for the UF Gators and Dallas Cowboys.
   16. Misirlou has S.C.M.O.D.S Posted: November 14, 2012 at 12:13 PM (#4302354)
I sit corrected.
   17. SoSH U at work Posted: November 14, 2012 at 12:15 PM (#4302356)
Barry's from Westchester County, N.Y. (I assume he meant Barry, not Berry).

But Tim Wakefield is from Fla., so that's good enough for me.
   18. Misirlou has S.C.M.O.D.S Posted: November 14, 2012 at 12:30 PM (#4302382)
Barry's from Westchester County, N.Y. (I assume he meant Barry, not Berry).


Yeah, but he wrote for the Miami Herald for over 20 years. His columns count as "coming out of Florida."
   19. Dale Sams Posted: November 14, 2012 at 12:33 PM (#4302386)
has anything good and right ever come out of Florida


Cheap drugs.
   20. SoSH U at work Posted: November 14, 2012 at 12:35 PM (#4302389)
Yeah, but he wrote for the Miami Herald for over 20 years. His columns count as "coming out of Florida."


Yes, that's obviously where he made his mark, but as a fellow Westchester Countian, I'm still counting him.

How about I stipulate that I hear great things about the Misirlou family.

   21. Misirlou has S.C.M.O.D.S Posted: November 14, 2012 at 12:39 PM (#4302397)
How about I stipulate that I hear great things about the Misirlou family.


No good. Dick Dale is from Boston.
   22. Random Transaction Generator Posted: November 14, 2012 at 12:39 PM (#4302399)
Other than voting for Obama a couple of times, has anything good and right ever come out of Florida?


I don't know if it's really "good and right", but there are usually a plethora of entertaining "WTF?!" stories that come out of Florida every week. So much so that it has it's own category on one of the major news aggregate sites on the web (Fark).
   23. Booey Posted: November 14, 2012 at 12:44 PM (#4302403)
Wonderfully delicious Cuban sandwiches are really easy to find in south Florida and next to impossible here in Salt Lake.

And I bet it's not 40 degrees with a foot of snow on the ground in Miami.
   24. Misirlou has S.C.M.O.D.S Posted: November 14, 2012 at 12:46 PM (#4302406)
And I bet it's not 40 degrees with a foot of snow on the ground in Miami.


About 75 right now.

oh, and Stone Crabs.
   25. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: November 14, 2012 at 12:52 PM (#4302416)
Other than voting for Obama a couple of times, has anything good and right ever come out of Florida?


Oh, have they finished the count for the 2008 election yet?
   26. dr. scott Posted: November 14, 2012 at 01:33 PM (#4302474)
Dexter is based in Miami...

Though i agree with Hiaasen, all of his best work comes from writing about the corrupt land grabbing greed of the state.

The other great thing would be the natural beuaty, but, honestly, the citizens have consistently allowed it to be exploited and trammpled on, so.... basically im left with Dexter.

Edit: have lots of family in north Florida, and vacationed there a lot as a kid living in Georgia.
   27. thetailor Posted: November 14, 2012 at 01:37 PM (#4302487)
I think that first video of Kate Upton doing the Dougie dance was filmed at a Heat game...?
   28. Nasty Nate Posted: November 14, 2012 at 01:55 PM (#4302505)
A lot of the Everglades are still there.
   29. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: November 14, 2012 at 02:22 PM (#4302532)
I have family in Miami and a lot of wonderful memories. The food is fantastic and it is one of the few US cities I've been to that seems to truly have an identity all it's own. When you are in Miami you are IN Miami whereas most other cities are somewhat generic in my experience.

And Dexter is awesome.
   30. Moeball Posted: November 14, 2012 at 02:33 PM (#4302546)
Dexter is based in Miami...


Something I've always wondered about because I'm sick and twisted - if we mix fictional and "real world" scenarios:

1)What if Dexter had been around when Aileen Wuornos was doing her thing back around 1990? He would have seen the series of killings, found patterns before the police did, and identified the killer. Then when he was about to take out the serial killer as he usually does he would have realized who the sleazeballs were Aileen was killing, and he would have gone "Aw, man, how can I do her in? She's just doing the same thing I am, 'taking out the trash'".

2)For that matter, the time traveling element appeals to me in another way - what if Aileen Wuornos had been around years earlier and picked up Ted Bundy as one of her "clients"? It would have been a race to see who killed whom first...
   31. Tuque Posted: November 14, 2012 at 02:35 PM (#4302547)
Isn't the Harry Potter theme park in Florida? I've never been to it but I assume it's phenomenal.
   32. Swedish Chef Posted: November 14, 2012 at 02:44 PM (#4302560)
Other than voting for Obama a couple of times, has anything good and right ever come out of Florida?

The US space program would look rather less impressive without the launches from Cape Canaveral.
   33. vortex of dissipation Posted: November 14, 2012 at 02:48 PM (#4302567)
has anything good and right ever come out of Florida?


The Blue Angels.
   34. Jeff Frances the Mute Posted: November 14, 2012 at 02:49 PM (#4302568)
Dexter is filmed in Long Beach, CA.
   35. Tuque Posted: November 14, 2012 at 02:57 PM (#4302571)
Tony Hale, who plays Buster from Arrested Development.

Hulk Hogan.

Also a bunch of baseball players. Wade Boggs, Dwight Gooden, Chipper Jones, Alex Rodriguez, the above-mentioned Wakefield...
   36. mike f Posted: November 14, 2012 at 03:00 PM (#4302577)
As a resident of the Great State of Florida for the past 18 years, my list is:
1) No snow
2) My family
3) Cigar City Brewing
4) Cuban food
That's pretty much it.
   37. Greg Pope thinks the Cubs are reeking havoc Posted: November 14, 2012 at 03:04 PM (#4302583)
Isn't the Harry Potter theme park in Florida? I've never been to it but I assume it's phenomenal.

It's very good as far as it goes. But it's only one small part of Universal Studios. There are something like 4 rides and 4 shops. The reason that you can spend an entire day there is because the lines are ridiculously long. We waited for 2 hours to get into the wand shop. Which is a 10-minute show and then you can buy stuff. The broom ride is amazing, but again, 3-hour wait.
   38. depletion Posted: November 14, 2012 at 03:23 PM (#4302601)
Florida is the only eastern state that did not completely kill off its pumas. Also, the Seminoles were one of the last tribes to stop fighting. Also, the U of Florida actually PAYS the Seminoles for the use of their name.
Daytona and Sebring have had world class car races. The Ferrari Daytona and the Dodge Daytona are both named after Daytona.
The Jackie Gleason show was taped in front of a live Miami Beach audience which was "THE GREATEST AUDIENCE IN THE WORLD!"
   39. depletion Posted: November 14, 2012 at 03:26 PM (#4302605)
Flipper
   40. Booey Posted: November 14, 2012 at 03:29 PM (#4302607)
SPRING BREAK!!!!!! WOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

(which I've actually never been to)
   41. Booey Posted: November 14, 2012 at 03:30 PM (#4302608)
As usual, Homer Simpson said it best:

"Florida? That's America's wang!"
   42. just plain joe Posted: November 14, 2012 at 03:30 PM (#4302609)
1) No snow
2) My family
3) Cigar City Brewing
4) Cuban food
That's pretty much it.


Not a fan of sea food? There are numerous good sea food restaurants in Florida.
   43. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: November 14, 2012 at 03:32 PM (#4302614)
Also, the U of Florida actually PAYS the Seminoles for the use of their name.

The alligators refused to accept money, I guess
   44. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: November 14, 2012 at 03:41 PM (#4302630)
I think that first video of Kate Upton doing the Dougie dance was filmed at a Heat game...?
Clippers, sadly.
   45. depletion Posted: November 14, 2012 at 03:43 PM (#4302634)
The alligators refused to accept money, I guess

Sorry. Obviously I meant the Florida State U Seminoles.
   46. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: November 14, 2012 at 03:53 PM (#4302655)
I like orange juice.
   47. SOLockwood Posted: November 14, 2012 at 03:54 PM (#4302657)
Burn Notice is actually filmed in Miami, though.

Surprisingly, there are no Burn Notice / Dexter crossovers on FanFiction.Net
   48. God Posted: November 14, 2012 at 04:52 PM (#4302749)
Buck O'Neil.
   49. asinwreck Posted: November 14, 2012 at 05:23 PM (#4302798)
Flipper


San Francisco. Oh...the other one.
   50. Busted Flush Posted: November 14, 2012 at 05:30 PM (#4302810)
John D. MacDonald, creator of the greatest detective series ever penned.
   51. kthejoker Posted: November 14, 2012 at 05:42 PM (#4302823)
Carrot Top. Vanilla Ice. Bob Ross. What a trifecta.
   52. akrasian Posted: November 14, 2012 at 05:43 PM (#4302826)
Woohoo! Another Travis McGee fan!
   53. Busted Flush Posted: November 14, 2012 at 06:02 PM (#4302856)
Woohoo! Another Travis McGee fan!

Oh yeah, hence the name. In fact, a Boodles on the rocks sounds mighty tasty right now.
   54. dlf Posted: November 14, 2012 at 06:03 PM (#4302858)
Just taking my retirement in installments at slip F-18.
   55. Paul Antonissen Posted: November 14, 2012 at 07:46 PM (#4302945)
Serge Storms
   56. AJMcCringleberry Posted: November 14, 2012 at 08:07 PM (#4302956)
Dexter is awesome

Dexter WAS awesome.
   57. Jay Z Posted: November 14, 2012 at 09:18 PM (#4302989)
The houses are cheap in FLA right now. Friends of ours bought the same house as ours for half the price. We live in Madison, WI. How you can so overbuild your housing market in a state with a growing population that housing is that cheap is another story.
   58. Jay Z Posted: November 14, 2012 at 09:19 PM (#4302990)
Great players born in Florida include Steve Carlton, Andre Dawson, Gary Sheffield, and BBTF Fave Tim Raines. For Andy, both Tino Martinez and Mickey Rivers (Yankees upon whom I assume he looks fondly) come from the state.

Of course, Steve Garvey was also born there, so that's one in the negative column.


What keeps Sheffield in the positive column for you? He had the talent, but if he'd never set foot on a baseball diamond it's not like I would have missed him.

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