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Friday, July 30, 2004

The Official Mets Fan Self-Immolation Thread

For those of you who can’t bear to continue. (Thanks to Gold Star For Robot Boy for the idea.)

The definitely immoral Eric Enders Posted: July 30, 2004 at 11:44 PM | 394 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   301. Old Matt Posted: October 29, 2004 at 03:59 PM (#943856)
I'm just perpetuating this thread's immortality.
   302. billyshears Posted: November 11, 2004 at 04:01 AM (#961384)
In light of this, I think this thread needs to be bumped.
   303. Old Matt Posted: November 11, 2004 at 04:08 AM (#961387)
No Untouchables, The 2004 New York Mets Offseason!

Coming to a theator near you, this March.
   304. Sam M. Posted: November 11, 2004 at 04:23 AM (#961397)
In meeting with the Rangers yesterday at the Ritz-Carlton, Minaya discussed a deal that would send infielder Jose Reyes to the Rangers for second baseman Alfonso Soriano, who would be moved to rightfield.

If they make this absolutely idiotic deal, I will actively root for them to lose next year. I will take pleasure in the .235 batting average with negligible power Soriano will produce at Shea, and revel in the nasty articles the tabloids will produce taking Omar Minaya apart at the seams.

It would be a completely indefensible trade, just completely. Soriano would be a far, far worse player, and will probably cost more, than the guy they had in RF last year.

I'll stop now. Gak.
   305. pyrite Posted: November 11, 2004 at 04:34 AM (#961407)
If it's any consolation, it doesn't seem like Minaya is jumping to hand Kris Benson a big contract.

I suppose he'd rather make his his own bad trades than someone else's bad free agent signings. Full autonomy, indeed.
   306. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: November 11, 2004 at 04:43 AM (#961418)
Does God hate us?
   307. Roadblock Jones Posted: November 11, 2004 at 04:44 AM (#961420)
"Omar is easy to talk with," Cashman said. "He's not afraid of making a move and making a decision."

There's a name for girls like that, but what about GMs?
   308. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: November 11, 2004 at 04:49 AM (#961424)
Be afraid, be very afraid

I swear to God, if this deal happens, I will kill Minaya.
   309. billyshears Posted: November 11, 2004 at 05:36 AM (#961478)
If they make this absolutely idiotic deal, I will actively root for them to lose next year. I will take pleasure in the .235 batting average with negligible power Soriano will produce at Shea, and revel in the nasty articles the tabloids will produce taking Omar Minaya apart at the seams.

Sam, I had the exact same thoughts on my blog.

Yes, I actually have a blog. In my defense it wasn't my idea. My girlfriend got it for me after I spent the hours of 2-4am on election night ranting to her about what a colossal disaster it was. That way, I wouldn't have to rant just to her. So for the past few days, I've had bit of fun posting. So now that I've pimped my blog, I think I'm ready for the final bit of the surgery where they turn me into a complete dork. Or did that just already happen?
   310. Starlin of the Slipstream (TRHN) Posted: November 11, 2004 at 05:36 AM (#961479)
Given this new development for the Mets I have one question:

Is there some way we could get this thread stickied to the top of the hot topics? Or maybe the Mets could have their own Sox Therapy that consists of only this thread? It doesn't look like the Mets Fan Self Congratulation Thread is going to be coming down the pipe anytime soon.
   311. J. Cross Posted: November 11, 2004 at 05:48 AM (#961503)
Whether it's Green or Soriano, Minaya sures seems to want a mediocre right fielder. A good GM is supposed to be able to get a mediocre right fielder on the cheap, not trade Jose Reyes for one. As far as primer mets fan horror I'm not sure what the most ridiculous aspect of that deal is. Here are some possibilities:

1) The non-contening Mets trading away a young potential stud for a 30 year old player

2) the player is an anti-sabermetric god: no walks, low obp, lots of speed.

3) moving the player out of position, from a hard defensive where he's valuable to an offensive position where he's mediocre.

or more subtely:

4) acquiring a player from an excellent right-handed hitters park to stick him in Shea which is particularly tough on right-handed pull hitters and not anticipating any decline.

I guess it's really the combination that gets me but any of these taken alone would be enough to give me doubts.

Can we just start rooting for the Red Sox? The picked Billy Traber off waivers. I would have liked to add Billy Traber.
   312. pyrite Posted: November 11, 2004 at 06:00 AM (#961512)
What if Reyes was part of a package for Barry Zito?

(from the Times) The Mets have become frustrated with Reyes's recurring leg injuries and are aware that Oakland and Texas could use a middle infielder.

It's never too late to get Marco Scutaro back.
   313. billyshears Posted: November 11, 2004 at 06:57 AM (#961596)
I love this bit from the Times piece:

Because Oakland and Texas are looking to unload high-priced contracts and do not want any in return, the Mets may have to include Reyes if they are going to reach an agreement.

So because they want to dump salary, we have to give them a top young player. We have lots of other players who are cheap. They're just not that good. So what the heck, let's just overpay. Man, these guys are sharp as a tack.
   314. Flynn Posted: November 11, 2004 at 07:07 AM (#961605)
The Mets are aggravating. Very aggravating.
   315. The Wilpons Must Go (Tom D) Posted: December 11, 2004 at 05:30 AM (#1012370)
I thought it a good idea to have this thread ready, if necessary.
   316. Lawa Posted: December 11, 2004 at 12:47 PM (#1012858)
Thanks for reviving this Tom. Considering that the Moises Alou pot is on the front burner and about to its bubble over; we might need it.
   317. Rob Base Posted: July 23, 2005 at 07:18 PM (#1493846)
Well, so far hardly any of this is as bad is it seemed. Can I trade Reyes for Zito now?
   318. Banta Posted: July 30, 2005 at 05:43 AM (#1509688)
This is my first post in this thread! I'm just getting ready for the Manny trade.

See, this thread, I think, it's sort of like a time capsule of Mets stupidity.
   319. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: July 30, 2005 at 05:48 AM (#1509698)
ITS BAAAAAAAACK!
   320. NTNgod Posted: May 09, 2006 at 05:05 AM (#2010674)
Bumped, by popular demand.
   321. NTNgod Posted: May 09, 2006 at 05:17 AM (#2010679)
Furthermore, the companion thread to this one, The Great Trade Deadline Thread of 2004 is here.
   322. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: May 09, 2006 at 05:20 AM (#2010680)
We're in first place and Minaya ain't trading the future.

Mets higher-ups are saying behind the scenes that no matter how desperate their starting pitching situation may seem, they are determined not to trade what they are calling their "core players." Those whom they define as "core" or "untouchable," in the usual baseball parlance, apparently include shortstop Jose Reyes, pitcher Aaron Heilman and minor-league pitchers Mike Pelfrey and perhaps Phil Humber in addition to Wright, Milledge and outfielders Gomez and Martinez. "No way," a Mets higher-up said when asked if they'd trade Milledge, Heilman or even Pelfrey for Willis.

I love Omar.
   323. Sam M. Posted: May 09, 2006 at 05:21 AM (#2010682)
Victor Zambrano

(Sung to the tune of Eleanor Rigby)

Ah, look at all the injured pitchers
Ah, look at all the injured pitchers

Victor Zambrano picks up what's left of the arm and the tendon he had.
Heard him just scream.
Waits in the clubhouse, seeing the ghost of Scott Kazmir that gnaws at him still.
He was traded for???

All the wailing Mets' fans.
Where did Scott Kazmir go?
All the wailing Mets' fans.
Where do our prospects go?

Rick Peterson, "fixing" the arms of a pitcher no one could stand.
He never came near
To make the trade working.
Darning poor Vic in the pen when there's nobody there.
The fans didn't care.

All the wailing Mets' fans.
Where did the quick fix go?
All the wailing Mets' fans.
Where did 10 minutes fly?

Victor Zambrano died on the mound and was buried when next spring came.
Released just the same.
Rick Peterson, wiping the dirt from his hands as he walks from the mound.
Careers weren't saved.

All the wailing Mets' fans.
Where did Scott Kazmir go?
All the wailing Mets' fans.
Where do our prospects go?
   324. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: May 09, 2006 at 05:34 AM (#2010687)
oh man. that gave me the chills.

and yeah! it doesn't look like they'll do anything really stupid!

though i'd totally be behind a pelfrey for willis deal.
   325. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: May 09, 2006 at 05:36 AM (#2010688)
That was tremendous, Sam. Bravo.

God, reading this thread really takes me back. And not just to July 04, but to way before than that. As good as this year has been, I think its even sweeter because of all the things we had to go through to get here.
   326. Sam M. Posted: May 09, 2006 at 05:57 AM (#2010698)
Freakish that I wrote this on August 3, 2004 . . . .

It is still astonishing to me that people just assume Kazmir will get hurt, when the Mets traded him for a guy who already is having arm problems. I mean, I know Zambrano's issues are supposed to be minor. But how often does supposedly minor "tendonitis" end up with Tommy John surgery just a few short months later?

It really was true, remember? The whispers about Kazmir being an arm injury waiting to happen. And, hey, he may still. But to use that as a part of the reason . . . I mean, at least acquire a durable guy in exchange if that's your rationale. But, nooooooooo. Turns out Zambrano's been hurting every start since the deal, all leading up to blowing out his arm Sunday. Wow. Talk about walking head on into the deep end of the river.

I nominate this, though for the Worst Prediction Made on the Thread:

You guys will be over this by April.

Harold, Post # 285. Not quite, Harold. Not quite!
   327. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: May 09, 2006 at 05:59 AM (#2010699)
Kazmir
(sung to the tune of Kashmir)

(opens with the driving beat of Mets fans rhythmically pounding their heads into the wall... dun dun dun, dun, dun dun dun, dun, dun dun dun...)

Oh I'm the one who taught the big three A's
Stars to pitch so well
I am a tutor of both Tam and Haynes
I made them all excel

Dun dun dun, dun, dun dun dun...

I sit with elders on the New York Mets
Under the mango tree
Whatever Pedro or Tom Glavine get
All credit goes to me

Dun dun dun, dun, dun dun dun...

Tampa's boy had a 1.44 WHIP
And still had a working arm
The wild card was almost within our grip
Time to strip mine the farm

Whoahhhh, ohhhhh, whoahhhh, ohhh, ohhh

Ooooooh! I been coachin'
Who could see this approachin'?
Ooooh, decision makin'
Who knew Z's arm was achin'?

Dun dun dun, dun, dun dun dun...

Thought I'd seen what to fix
In 10 minutes, maybe six
Now he needs a shoulder blade
As I scan this wasted trade
Trying to find, trying to find a good spinnnnnn...

Dun dun dun, dun, dun dun dun...
   328. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: May 09, 2006 at 07:06 AM (#2010720)
Here's what I posted in the immediate aftermath of the Kazmir trade:
I just spoke with someone quite familiar with the D-Rays, in a professional sense. He said Zambrano "will pitch a no-hitter one of these days. ... He'll walk 21 guys doing it, but he'll get that no-hitter."
Amusing.
   329. Dr. Nick Riviera Posted: May 09, 2006 at 09:48 AM (#2010742)
Who woulda thought that these two trades would have even ended up worse than the Mets' worst fears (Kaz & Huber for Jorge Julio?), and yet the Mets are kickin' butt this season. Go figure.
   330. Benji Posted: May 09, 2006 at 10:11 AM (#2010744)
When I see us nitpicking the roster (i.e. Valentin) I want those people transported to a parallel universe where Jim Duquette is still the Met GM. This thread should serve as a ghastly reminder of the idiocy of the Phillips-Duquette era and how far Minaya (and also, to be fair, the Wilpons for allocating the $$ for Pedro and Beltran) have taken this team. A real contender and an fun team to watch without backstabbing weasels, 350 pound first basemen, listless Robbies and the Inspirational Art Howe.
   331. Benji Posted: May 09, 2006 at 10:30 AM (#2010747)
And Sam, that was a masterpiece. You ought to become the Songwriting Professor of Tin Pan Alley.
   332. Harold can be a fun sponge Posted: May 09, 2006 at 10:46 AM (#2010750)
Hey Sam, you're one of my favorite posters, but you totally took my post out of context. I didn't mean to imply that the Kazmir deal was not worth getting upset over, but rather that you guys were still sitting pretty (despite that monumental blunder). Many Mets fans here were so apoplectic at the time that they were going to give up on the Mets and change allegiances to another team. Have any of you followed through?

Yup, here you are. Still Mets fan. Fans of the best team in the NL (by far, IMO), the team with a decent shot of dominating the NL and all of MLB for the next 4-8 years. Yeah, you'd rather still have Kazmir, but don't call my post "The Worst Prediction in the Thread" by quoting one sentence out of context, when I basically called everything perfectly!. (I'm not crediting this to any skill; who was I to know in August '04 that the Mets would sign Beltran and Pedro, etc.).

And since I don't think the sentence you quoted captures my message, here's the entire post:

You guys are frickin' pathetic.

I'll admit that the trades were horrible. It must be painful to lose guys like Kazmir and Huber. But to consider changing your allegiances? To pick and choose teams to root for? You'd think the Mets dealt Wright and Reyes for Neifi!

When I was 16 years old, my team (the Werner Padres) gave away two borderline HOFers in their primes. Kazmir and Huber are not Sheffield and McGriff. I lived. I've seen better days. Things turned out OK.

You guys will be over this by April.


I meant that you would be over this pain and back to loving baseball and your team. Not that you'd forget about the deal. Don't bend my words.
   333. J. Cross Posted: May 09, 2006 at 10:55 AM (#2010751)
Sam, you were certainly right about Reyes, Wright, Heilman and Kazmir being worth more than Nick Johnson, Soriano and the other Yankees. It's impressed how well these Mets truned out... if only we still HAD Kazmir.
   334. Harold can be a fun sponge Posted: May 09, 2006 at 10:56 AM (#2010752)
Hey Sam, you're one of my favorite posters, but you totally took my post out of context. I didn't mean to imply that the Kazmir deal was not worth getting upset over, but rather that you guys were still sitting pretty (despite that monumental blunder). Many Mets fans here were so apoplectic at the time that they were going to give up on the Mets and change allegiances to another team. Have any of you followed through?

Yup, here you are. Still Mets fan. Fans of the best team in the NL (by far, IMO), the team with a decent shot of dominating the NL and all of MLB for the next 4-8 years. Yeah, you'd rather still have Kazmir, but don't call my post "The Worst Prediction in the Thread" by quoting one sentence out of context, when I basically called everything perfectly!. (I'm not crediting this to any skill; who was I to know in August '04 that the Mets would sign Beltran and Pedro, etc.).


You know what, forget all this. This is all analytical, and has nothing to do with my post #285 in this thread (though it does refer to other commentsI wrote on this site then). I think, when you look at my post 285, it's pretty clear that I was talking about being a fan. When I said, "You guys will be over this by April," that "this" meant "looking for another team to root for because I'm no longer a Mets fan."

And the fact that you're posting in this thread is proof that I was completely right about that, in post 285, no matter what you think about my analysis at the time or since.
   335. Harold can be a fun sponge Posted: May 09, 2006 at 11:22 AM (#2010756)
Man, the more I think about my post 285, the more upset I become. I know you Mets fans went through some tough times on Black Friday, and on occasion since then.

What I'm saying is that that can't test your "fandom" more than 1992-94 as a Padre fan. Seriously, you guys have never had an ownership group that has intentionally gutted the team. I mentioned the HOFers in 285, but it was so bad that we were dumping middle relievers (look at Rich Rodriguez and Jose Melendez; Craig Lefferts was no great shakes at that point, but he was a franchise stalwart and even he was dealt).

Seriously, if "Black Friday" is the worst of the last 20 years, you guys have it so good you don't know it.
   336. Foghorn Leghorn Posted: May 09, 2006 at 12:28 PM (#2010783)
What I'm saying is that that can't test your "fandom" more than 1992-94 as a Padre fan. Seriously, you guys have never had an ownership group that has intentionally gutted the team. I mentioned the HOFers in 285

Sheff and McGriff? they aren't HOFers. *MAYBE* Sheff. The Crime Dog? Not a chance.

Ever heard of Tom Seaver, Harold?
   337. Rob Base Posted: May 09, 2006 at 01:13 PM (#2010803)
McGriff's chances got a lot better when Raffy tested positive for roids.
   338. Sam M. Posted: May 09, 2006 at 02:15 PM (#2010849)
Harold -- sorry! I meant that to come off more kidding than it did.

But the fact does remain: we weren't over it by April, and if Kazmir does become what he's showing a lot of signs of becoming, we won't ever really get over it. Real fans don't ever really; we always think of the "what ifs."

Who woulda thought that these two trades would have even ended up worse than the Mets' worst fears (Kaz & Huber for Jorge Julio?), and yet the Mets are kickin' butt this season. Go figure.

This is a very important point, of course. What it does show is that a high-resource team, properly managed, can overcome even a devastatingly bad move like this in relatively short order if it is aggressive about it, and just moves forward rather than fixating on trying to "fix" what it did wrong in the first place. As Mets' fans, we are fortunate that we root for a team that did not have to be set back for a generation by such a horrendous deal (and how badly it turned out), and (credit where it's due) that ownership moved so quickly and decisively to change what needed to be changed to right the direction of the franchise after this debacle. We'll never have Kazmir, but having the lessons of Kazmir may end up being almost as valuable.
   339. There are no words... (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: May 09, 2006 at 02:27 PM (#2010860)
Hell, I didn't get over Ryan + -for-Fregosi until the Mets beat Ryan in the '86 NLCS...
   340. There are no words... (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: May 09, 2006 at 02:29 PM (#2010863)
We'll never have Kazmir, but having the lessons of Kazmir may end up being almost as valuable.


Kind of like how "The Fumble" led -- almost directly -- to the New York Football Giants winning Super Bowl XXI, right, Sam?
   341. Sam M. Posted: May 09, 2006 at 04:20 PM (#2010983)
Bump.
   342. There are no words... (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: May 09, 2006 at 04:47 PM (#2011017)
What a difference a year & 1/2 makes.

I had almost forgotten how [lousy] I felt those days.
   343. Harold can be a fun sponge Posted: May 15, 2006 at 07:47 AM (#2020440)
Sheff and McGriff? they aren't HOFers. *MAYBE* Sheff. The Crime Dog? Not a chance.

Ever heard of Tom Seaver, Harold?


Nice job of looking at my original post, where I specifically called them "borderline" HOFers. I empathize with you Mets fans about the Seaver trade, but I'll throw Robbie Alomar into the pot as well.

But the fact does remain: we weren't over it by April, and if Kazmir does become what he's showing a lot of signs of becoming, we won't ever really get over it. Real fans don't ever really; we always think of the "what ifs."

Sigh. I'll say it again; you're misundertanding what I meant by getting "over it". I never said you'd get over the trade; I said you gous would get over the phase where you gave up on the Mets or baseball in general.

As for what-ifs, you can't guess the number of hours I've spent imagining more of Alomar, Winfield, Ozzie, and Raines in same lineup as Gwynn.
   344. Harold can be a fun sponge Posted: May 15, 2006 at 07:49 AM (#2020441)
And Sheffield and McGriff, in the case of Alomar.
   345. DCW3 Posted: May 15, 2006 at 08:28 AM (#2020443)
Unless he runs into some further steroid trouble, Sheffield is going to sail into the Hall of Fame.
   346. Moe Greene Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:33 PM (#3249472)
I'm not a Mets fan, but it's hard to pass up an opportunity to post in a fun thread like this.
   347. Tripon Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:35 PM (#3249483)
EDGE. EDGE. EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDGE.
   348. CraigK Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:40 PM (#3249498)
Jeff Francoeur, your starting right fielder.
   349. Old Matt Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:40 PM (#3249500)
The Day The Music Died.

Again.
   350. Banta Posted: July 10, 2009 at 11:00 PM (#3249557)
I'll just quote what I said a few years ago:
See, this thread, I think, it's sort of like a time capsule of Mets stupidity.


Thanks for opening this thread back up too. I have a feeling it should stay that way.
   351. CajoleJuice Posted: July 11, 2009 at 12:41 AM (#3249750)
I wish I was around for this thread originally.

UPSIDEEEEE
   352. God Posted: July 23, 2015 at 05:12 PM (#5005391)
What's the over/under on runs scored by the Mets in their next 2 games? Greinke and Kershaw at a combined 63 consecutive scoreless innings.
   353. Ziggy Posted: July 23, 2015 at 05:25 PM (#5005402)
Thank you, God, it'd been too long since I'd seen this thread in the hot-topics list.

Update: don't place any bets yet. Word is that Greinke may miss a start for paternity leave.
   354. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: July 23, 2015 at 06:52 PM (#5005463)
352. God Posted: July 23, 2015 at 05:12 PM (#5005391)
What's the over/under on runs scored by the Mets in their next 2 games? Greinke and Kershaw at a combined 63 consecutive scoreless innings.


Well, we know He can resurrect threads, at least.
   355. Canker Soriano Posted: July 23, 2015 at 06:56 PM (#5005465)
Seems appropriate on a day that Kazmir got traded again.

Maybe someone will sign Victor Zambrano, just for kicks.
   356. Greg Pope thinks the Cubs are reeking havoc Posted: July 23, 2015 at 07:17 PM (#5005477)
Well, we know He can resurrect threads, at least.

Seriously, what the heck is the rule for threads being closed? For example, this thread from a few years ago is closed, but this one from 2004 is open for comments?
   357. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: July 23, 2015 at 09:46 PM (#5005554)
Are you saying that God can lock a thread so securely that He cannot reopen it?
   358. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: July 23, 2015 at 09:48 PM (#5005556)
Are you saying that God can lock a thread so securely that He cannot reopen it?
   359. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: July 23, 2015 at 09:48 PM (#5005555)
Are you saying that God can lock a thread so securely that He cannot reopen it?
   360. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: July 23, 2015 at 09:50 PM (#5005558)
I'm surprised this thread never got closed. I thought they auto-closed after a while.
   361. Ziggy Posted: July 23, 2015 at 10:30 PM (#5005583)
The triple post in an 11 year old thread is quite impressive. Especially considering that the last two were two minutes after the first one.

If there was a thread HOF this one would probably make it. (Along with tina and probably Petco, for all the disaster that was included in that one.)
   362. Spahn Insane Posted: July 23, 2015 at 10:55 PM (#5005588)
I thought thread closures coincided with Szymborski's decision to play god and Stalinize anything containing a kevin post (among many idiocies that cost him the BBTF keys), but I could be wrong about that. I too was surprised to see this thread still open for comments, though if any thread merits it...
   363. Brian White Posted: July 23, 2015 at 11:20 PM (#5005593)
If there was a thread HOF this one would probably make it. (Along with tina and probably Petco, for all the disaster that was included in that one.)


Well, its in the top five.



(For the record, I'd round out my top five with John F. Mabry, and the one about Nomar saving those two women.)
   364. Benji Gil Gamesh Rises Posted: July 23, 2015 at 11:35 PM (#5005600)
Well, its in the top five.
So you're saying that there were four other threads that were greater, or at least as good? Or do you really mean that it's top-3 but you're hedging?
   365. Howie Menckel Posted: July 24, 2015 at 12:52 AM (#5005621)
Greinke wife having baby, not pitching Friday, shutout maybe averted.

I went to tonight's desultory affair. Kershaw and Colon move the game along though, I think we started bottom of 8th in under 2 hours.

I EXPECTED the no-hitter, which is sad and it went to 7th.

crowd not as as angry as I expected; a little bit after Duda got picked off 1st late and down 1-0 following least likely base hit of the Mets season. good crowd, but a LOT of Dodgers fans. signs of broken spirits abounded. nobody's getting out of here alive....
   366. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: July 24, 2015 at 01:08 AM (#5005628)
As long as there is a Mets fan with a match, my contribution to this site will endure.
   367. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: July 24, 2015 at 02:33 AM (#5005638)
I asked 3 times and no one answered! Oh the vicissitudes of posting from my phone.

Also, this team is so toast. At least we're not trading for Victor Zambrano.
   368. boteman asks Where's My Ring? Posted: July 24, 2015 at 03:06 AM (#5005639)
At least we're not trading for Victor Zambrano.

As far as you know.
   369. Flynn Posted: July 24, 2015 at 05:35 AM (#5005649)
I miss Sam M.
   370. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: July 24, 2015 at 06:52 AM (#5005654)
If there was a thread HOF this one would probably make it

What was the one that morphed into all quotes from the Who?
   371. Golfing Great Mitch Cumstein Posted: July 24, 2015 at 07:31 AM (#5005657)
Deny Neagle's arrest?
   372. Golfing Great Mitch Cumstein Posted: July 24, 2015 at 07:39 AM (#5005660)
It wasn't the Neagle arrest. Maybe something to do with Mike Hampton? Pretty sure it involved the Rockies or Colorado.
   373. Adam Starblind Posted: July 24, 2015 at 07:56 AM (#5005661)
I'm pretty sure Neagle was a Rockie when he got arrested.

As for the Mets, they are the second team since 1920 to field a lineup in which the 3 and 4 hitters were batting under .200. Thanks, Falterson!
   374. villageidiom Posted: July 24, 2015 at 08:02 AM (#5005664)
What was the one that morphed into all quotes from the Who?
Larry Walker thread. There were two. Here and here.
   375. Swedish Chef Posted: July 24, 2015 at 09:03 AM (#5005676)
   376. Swedish Chef Posted: July 24, 2015 at 09:08 AM (#5005677)
   377. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: July 24, 2015 at 09:28 AM (#5005694)
I miss Sam M.


Yeah. There are a lot of good Mets fan posters on BBTF still, but he was insightful, passionate, and fun.
   378. villageidiom Posted: July 24, 2015 at 09:39 AM (#5005703)
   379. boteman asks Where's My Ring? Posted: July 24, 2015 at 09:52 AM (#5005713)
Yeah. There are a lot of good Mets fan posters on BBTF still, but he was insightful, passionate, and fun.

And not Rickey!
   380. Greg K Posted: July 24, 2015 at 11:23 AM (#5005814)
Huh, I'm guessing it's already been covered in this thread, but I never knew Huber was traded for Jose Bautista. It's not like Bautista provided much of anything for the Mets, but kind of puts all the garment-rending in perspective.

I remember in 2008 the Jays traded Robinzon Diaz for Bautista, which I thought was a dumb (if fairly irrelevant) trade at the time.
   381. Greg Pope thinks the Cubs are reeking havoc Posted: July 24, 2015 at 12:28 PM (#5005887)
I miss Sam M.

Do we know what happened to him? Just stopped coming around, I assumed.
   382. villageidiom Posted: July 24, 2015 at 02:09 PM (#5005966)
Given the amount of legal activity in his areas of expertise and interest, I'm sure he's been busy.

EDIT: And his profile says it's been three years since he has visited the site.
   383. Golfing Great Mitch Cumstein Posted: July 26, 2015 at 02:20 PM (#5006914)
What song was being referenced in #48 of The Who thread?
   384. The Yankee Clapper Posted: July 26, 2015 at 02:57 PM (#5006946)
I miss Sam M.

Do we know what happened to him? Just stopped coming around, I assumed.

Don't know if it was cause and effect, but IIRC, Sam stopped posting shortly after a rather lengthy vitriolic exchange with another poster over some aspect of the rules of evidence. Sam might even have been incorrect, but the other poster seemed to be extremely offensive in how he chose to make his points, IMHO. My guess is that Sam didn't think it was helpful for someone whose identity was generally known to be involved in such exchanges, although that might have been at about the same time as his law school took a significant drop in the USNWR rankings, which could have also affected his priorities.

EDIT: In case I wasn't clear, Sam's part of that exchange wasn't the vitriolic part, by my recollection.
   385. Adam Starblind Posted: July 26, 2015 at 03:06 PM (#5006952)
I could see a real practitioner relish the chance to smack a con law professor around on the rules of evidence.
   386. CraigK Posted: July 29, 2015 at 11:09 PM (#5009294)
Someone alert Wilmer Flores to this thread
   387. JE (Jason) Posted: July 29, 2015 at 11:30 PM (#5009310)
Someone alert Wilmer Flores to this thread

For the drenching of the infield with his tears, Met fans may love him forever.
   388. Lassus Posted: July 29, 2015 at 11:59 PM (#5009332)
I was underwhelmed by the acquisition of Carlos Gomez, but now I'm doubly annoyed it didn't work out.
   389. The Yankee Clapper Posted: July 29, 2015 at 11:59 PM (#5009333)
Poor guy apparently wants to be a Met for life. He may self-immolate if traded.
   390. JE (Jason) Posted: July 30, 2015 at 12:17 AM (#5009347)
I was underwhelmed by the acquisition of Carlos Gomez, but now I'm doubly annoyed it didn't work out.

I'm beginning to wonder if you're a closet AJ Preller fan.
   391. CraigK Posted: July 30, 2015 at 12:32 AM (#5009357)
So just to get this straight as far as I can tell:

-There is a trade in which Carlos Gomez goes to the Mets, and Wheeler and Flores go to the Brewers.
-At no point is this agreed to, but it gets really close to completion.
-Close enough that Joel Sherman says that it's a done deal.
-This being 2015, in tonight in Citi Field, the last two damn people to learn of this trade are Mets field manager Terry Collins and traded player Wilmer Flores.
-Instead of, you know, Alderson calling onto field level to tell Collins to pull Flores out of the game so he can get his goodbyes in and stuff, they leave him in the game while he thinks about how this is the last game he's going to play for the organization he's played the last 8 years with and bawls his eyes out
-After the game we learn that the trade was never agreed to from the Mets FO "due to injury concerns", and that whoever reported it as done (Joel Sherman) massively jumped the gun
-Everybody assumes that the Brewers backed off after looking at Wheeler's medicals
-Then it comes out the METS backed off due to GOMEZ's injury fears, which means that
-Wilmer Flores was hung out to dry by a general manager who couldn't be ###### to deny the rumors he'd been traded until after the game, but apparently told Collins that he wasn't being traded so there was no reason to pull him? I guess? Maybe?

This team is badly run, you guys
   392. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: July 30, 2015 at 03:21 AM (#5009383)
What song was being referenced in #48 of The Who thread?

"Dr. Jimmy," from Quadrophenia.
   393. billyshears Posted: July 30, 2015 at 08:47 AM (#5009398)
I was underwhelmed by the acquisition of Carlos Gomez, but now I'm doubly annoyed it didn't work out.


I feel the same way. It kind of epitomizes being a Mets fan.
   394. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: July 30, 2015 at 08:48 AM (#5009400)
Terry Collins' postgame press conference (regarding the Wilmer Flores situation)

Q: When you saw Wilmer that upset, did you think about taking him out of the game earlier?

Collins: There was nothing I knew about! Why would I take him out of the game? I've been sobbing in the third inning before--nobody took me out of the game! Ya know? Hey, I don't give a #### what happened! We gotta play! And that's the thing. You gotta go out and play! I'm sorry he's upset, but, until somebody reports something to me to say 'here's what's going on,' sorry, son, you're the shortstop right now!
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