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Wednesday, February 29, 2012

Goold: The Promised Pujols Cartoon

Derrick Goold: Multi-Talented/Multi-Team.

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That’s some fitting symmetry and it’s all prelude to what I’ve been vaguely describing to friends and “The Pujols Cartoon.” I’m taking a deep breath that this is well received. Here goes:

Go ahead, try and name all of the players featured, including the ones in the memorial pictures on the wall.

Repoz Posted: February 29, 2012 at 09:50 AM | 125 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Charles S. will not yield to this monkey court Posted: February 29, 2012 at 10:07 AM (#4070798)
Where the Hell is Yaz?
   2. McCoy Posted: February 29, 2012 at 10:12 AM (#4070804)
You have to be pretty young not to be able to name that group.
   3. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: February 29, 2012 at 10:18 AM (#4070808)
Who's #32?

And I guess the black Cardinal is Bob Gibson?
   4. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: February 29, 2012 at 10:21 AM (#4070810)
Who's #32?


Koufax - you can see the LA on his chair.

   5. flournoy Posted: February 29, 2012 at 10:26 AM (#4070815)
I don't know who the Yankee is. Whitey Ford, maybe? Everyone else is pretty identifiable.
   6. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: February 29, 2012 at 10:28 AM (#4070820)
I don't know who the Yankee is. Whitey Ford, maybe? Everyone else is pretty identifiable.


My first guess was Jeter. It doesn't look like Gehrig, though his absence would be more head-scratching than Yaz's.

   7. flournoy Posted: February 29, 2012 at 10:30 AM (#4070823)
Well, it's not Gehrig, since all the guys at the table are still alive. The dead guys are pictured on the wall.
   8. Tim Wallach was my Hero Posted: February 29, 2012 at 10:31 AM (#4070825)
The black Ch.. guy and the "C" #19 both took me a couple of minutes to find.
Other than those two, it was quite easy, though.
I love the Big Train drawing. It's simple yet it captures him really well.
   9. Charles S. will not yield to this monkey court Posted: February 29, 2012 at 10:31 AM (#4070827)
I thought Ford. Everyone there is retired so it can't be Jeter. Is the Cub pitcher in the picture 3-Fingers Brown?
   10. winnipegwhip Posted: February 29, 2012 at 10:32 AM (#4070828)
Is the guy seated below the picture of Teddy, Ernie Banks? I saw the collar on the jersey and I kept thinking it was a Southsider?

Who is the pitcher between Johnson and Mantle on the wall? (Ted Lyons?)
   11. Tim Wallach was my Hero Posted: February 29, 2012 at 10:32 AM (#4070829)
I don't know who the Yankee is.

My guess was Jeter too. But now that you raise the question I'm not so sure.
   12. Tim Wallach was my Hero Posted: February 29, 2012 at 10:33 AM (#4070831)
Is the Cub pitcher in the picture 3-Fingers Brown?

That's what I thought at first. It's Bob Feller.
   13. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: February 29, 2012 at 10:34 AM (#4070832)
Who is the pitcher between Johnson and Mantle on the wall? (Ted Lyons?)


Feller.

   14. Charles S. will not yield to this monkey court Posted: February 29, 2012 at 10:34 AM (#4070833)
That makes sense, but that "C" doesn't make me think of Cleveland.
   15. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: February 29, 2012 at 10:34 AM (#4070834)
Well, it's not Gehrig, since all the guys at the table are still alive. The dead guys are pictured on the wall.


Doh! Though Gehrig's absence from the wall is still perplexing.

   16. GotowarMissAgnes Posted: February 29, 2012 at 10:35 AM (#4070838)
How can Al Kaline not be at this table?
   17. Tim Wallach was my Hero Posted: February 29, 2012 at 10:36 AM (#4070839)
That makes sense, but that "C" doesn't make me think of Cleveland.

Feller
   18. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: February 29, 2012 at 10:38 AM (#4070842)
That makes sense, but that "C" doesn't make me think of Cleveland.


They wore that C on the home uniform in Feller's day.

   19. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: February 29, 2012 at 10:38 AM (#4070844)
   20. GotowarMissAgnes Posted: February 29, 2012 at 10:39 AM (#4070847)
http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/11/10/hall-of-famers-who-played-for-one-team/

"In the article, I included a sampling of Hall of Famers who played their full careers with one team, I omitted many. According to the National Baseball Hall of Fame, here are all 47:

Yankees: Earle Combs, Bill Dickey, Joe DiMaggio, Whitey Ford, Lou Gehrig, Mickey Mantle, Phil Rizzuto;
Dodgers: Roy Campanella, Don Drysdale, Sandy Koufax, Pee Wee Reese, Jackie Robinson;
Giants: Carl Hubbell, Travis Jackson, Mel Ott, Bill Terry, Ross Youngs;
Red Sox: Bobby Doerr, Jim Rice, Ted Williams, Carl Yastrzemski;
Pirates: Roberto Clemente, Bill Mazeroski, Willie Stargell, Pie Traynor;
Indians: Bob Feller, Addie Joss, Bob Lemon;
White Sox: Luke Appling, Red Faber, Ted Lyons;
Orioles: Jim Palmer, Cal Ripken, Brooks Robinson;
Reds: Johnny Bench, Bid McPhee;
Detroit Tigers: Charlie Gehringer, Al Kaline;
Cardinals: Bob Gibson, Stan Musial;
Royals: George Brett;
Cubs: Ernie Banks;
Phillies: Mike Schmidt;
Padres: Tony Gwynn;
Senators: Walter Johnson;
Twins: Kirby Puckett;
Brewers: Robin Yount."
   21. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: February 29, 2012 at 10:40 AM (#4070848)
If "table=alive" then the Yankee has to be Ford. All other Yankee lifers that are in have passed I think.
   22. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: February 29, 2012 at 10:40 AM (#4070849)
It is Jeter, according to the comments.

   23. Tim Wallach was my Hero Posted: February 29, 2012 at 10:42 AM (#4070851)
In th comments section of TFA, Goold says that the Yankee is not W. Ford.
   24. flournoy Posted: February 29, 2012 at 10:45 AM (#4070853)
I would be thrilled if Jeter spent one season at the end of his career hitting .173 as a bench player for the orange uniformed Marlins, or something.
   25. TerpNats Posted: February 29, 2012 at 10:45 AM (#4070854)
I'm guessing the "Chicago" is Ernie Banks; the skin shading is too dark to be Luke Appling, and few remember him anyway.
   26. Blastin Posted: February 29, 2012 at 10:46 AM (#4070856)
I am not mad at pujols, but this cartoon is pretty cool.
   27. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 29, 2012 at 10:48 AM (#4070857)

Doh! Though Gehrig's absence from the wall is still perplexing.


Mike Schmidt's exclusion among the living is a bit odd too, although I guess you can't include everyone. But its not like he's disappeared - he's still pretty active in the game and I'd say he was a pretty high profile player.

Orioles: Jim Palmer, Cal Ripken, Brooks Robinson;


I don't know why I never knew this, but I'm surprised to learn Brooks Robinson is in the Hall.
   28. Booey Posted: February 29, 2012 at 10:48 AM (#4070858)
Who's the guy that says, "I guess he's not coming?"

Are there any active future HOFers other than Jeter, Rivera, and Chipper that look like they may someday join this group?
   29. JJ1986 Posted: February 29, 2012 at 10:50 AM (#4070862)
Are there any active future HOFers other than Jeter, Rivera, and Chipper that look like they may someday join this group?


Ichiro.
   30. flournoy Posted: February 29, 2012 at 10:51 AM (#4070863)
Mike Schmidt is there...
   31. Charles S. will not yield to this monkey court Posted: February 29, 2012 at 10:51 AM (#4070864)
#27, Schmidt is the guy holding the bat.
#28, That's Stan Musial.
   32. vortex of dissipation Posted: February 29, 2012 at 10:52 AM (#4070866)
Who's the guy that says, "I guess he's not coming?"



Stan Musial.

Coke to Charles S.
   33. oscar madisox Posted: February 29, 2012 at 10:54 AM (#4070869)
Re: 29. Bagwell and Biggio, though they are not active will join this group.
   34. Booey Posted: February 29, 2012 at 10:55 AM (#4070871)
Mike Schmidt's exclusion among the living is a bit odd too,

He's on the far left, with the mustache and the bat on his shoulder


Who's the guy that says, "I guess he's not coming?"

D'oh! Musial, of course. I don't know how I missed that...


Edit: cokes and stuff
   35. Booey Posted: February 29, 2012 at 10:57 AM (#4070874)
Re: 29. Bagwell and Biggio, though they are not active will join this group.

Yeah, I thought of them, but left them out cuz they weren't active. Missed Ichiro though.
   36. Booey Posted: February 29, 2012 at 10:58 AM (#4070875)
I guess Posada has an outside shot too, right? Though I guess he's not technically active anymore either.
   37. winnipegwhip Posted: February 29, 2012 at 11:00 AM (#4070879)
I think Mel Ott is noteworthy enough to be on the wall.

And where is Jackie Robinson? (A guy who retired instead of going to the Giants)
   38. Booey Posted: February 29, 2012 at 11:02 AM (#4070882)
Maybe Helton?

And joining the Bagwell/Biggio group of not active players, I hope Edgar makes it someday.
   39. flournoy Posted: February 29, 2012 at 11:05 AM (#4070888)
Missing from the list in #20, perhaps because he hasn't actually been inducted yet, is Barry Larkin.
   40. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: February 29, 2012 at 11:06 AM (#4070889)
And where is Jackie Robinson? (A guy who retired instead of going to the Giants)


There's just not enough space on the wall. Gehrig, Jackie and Clemente, at the very least, are all wall-worthy.

   41. Random Transaction Generator Posted: February 29, 2012 at 11:07 AM (#4070891)
I think it's safe to assume that Kirby Puckett is the worst player pictured/referenced in this cartoon, right?

Of the 47 listed in #20, who is worse than Puckett? Rice?
   42. flournoy Posted: February 29, 2012 at 11:09 AM (#4070897)
#41: Ross Youngs?
   43. Randy Jones Posted: February 29, 2012 at 11:09 AM (#4070898)
There's just not enough space on the wall. Gehrig, Jackie and Clemente, at the very least, are all wall-worthy.


Just remove Puckett. He really shouldn't be in the picture anyway. Not nearly as good a player as anyone else there and then there is the whole sexual assault thing...
   44. Bug Selig Posted: February 29, 2012 at 11:11 AM (#4070902)
How can Al Kaline not be at this table?


There are other people at the table. Hence, he feels the table to be beneath him.
   45. salvomania Posted: February 29, 2012 at 11:15 AM (#4070907)
If that's Ernie Banks, why is he wearing a late-'70s Sox uniform, complete with floppy black collar?
   46. Shredder Posted: February 29, 2012 at 11:20 AM (#4070911)
Question: If you put all-star teams together for the one team icons and multiple team guys, who would win. I would think it would be the latter, but I don't have the time to go through the exercise.

Also, nice cartoon, but boo-hoo.
   47. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: February 29, 2012 at 11:21 AM (#4070913)
Is Puckett flexing his woman-beating arm?
   48. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: February 29, 2012 at 11:21 AM (#4070915)
I'm guessing the "Chicago" is Ernie Banks; the skin shading is too dark to be Luke Appling, and few remember him anyway.

That was the only one I had any trouble with. The road uniform threw me off, since everyone else is wearing their home jerseys.

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Just remove Puckett. He really shouldn't be in the picture anyway.

I'd agree with that, except those fabulous shine lines in that picture remind me of a high school friend of mine whose self-given nicknames were "Homer King" and "Mr. Baseball". He always used to draw cartoons of himself in heroic poses with stars and shine lines coming from every direction, very much like that Puckett cartoon.
   49. JJ1986 Posted: February 29, 2012 at 11:25 AM (#4070918)
Question: If you put all-star teams together for the one team icons and multiple team guys, who would win. I would think it would be the latter, but I don't have the time to go through the exercise.


Multiple team: C Berra, 1B Foxx, 2B Morgan or Collins or Hornsby, 3B Mathews, SS Wagner, LF Bonds, CF Mays, RF Ruth, SP Grove or Seaver.
Single team: C Bench, 1B Gehrig, 2B Robinson, 3B Schmidt, SS Ripken maybe, LF Williams, CF DiMaggio, RF Mantle, SP Big Train.

   50. Booey Posted: February 29, 2012 at 11:34 AM (#4070924)
Multiple team: C Berra, 1B Foxx, 2B Morgan or Collins or Hornsby, 3B Mathews, SS Wagner, LF Bonds, CF Mays, RF Ruth, SP Grove or Seaver.

Seaver over Clemens, Maddux, Alexander, and Young?

I'd give the multiple team the slight edge, but it's a lot closer than I would've thought. The single team has the best ever C, 1B, 3B, and P. And if you added RP, they'd have that too.
   51. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 29, 2012 at 11:39 AM (#4070928)

He's on the far left, with the mustache and the bat on his shoulder


Oh okay, I thought there were two Robin Younts.
   52. Booey Posted: February 29, 2012 at 11:40 AM (#4070931)
Single team: C Bench, 1B Gehrig, 2B Robinson, 3B Schmidt, SS Ripken maybe, LF Williams, CF DiMaggio, RF Mantle, SP Big Train.

I'd move Mantle to CF and put Musial at one of the corners instead of DiMaggio.
   53. Morty Causa Posted: February 29, 2012 at 11:43 AM (#4070933)
I had thought that the Lousiville Colonels had actually merged with the Pittsburgh Pirates, thus making Honus Wagner a one-team player, but that doesn't seem to be the exact case. Dreyfus did gut the Colonels, and they didn't survive migration of Wagner and a whole slew of players to the Pirates. I think if Wagner were considered a single-team player that would be significant.
   54. Tim Wallach was my Hero Posted: February 29, 2012 at 11:45 AM (#4070936)
So Berra missed the one-team icons club by 4 games and 9 PAs. Is there a player who missed that club by less games/PAs than him?
   55. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: February 29, 2012 at 11:50 AM (#4070940)
So Berra missed the one-team icons club by 4 games and 9 PAs. Is there a player who missed that club by less games/PAs than him?


Probably not at the moment, but when he wraps up his Hall of Fame career in an understated ceremony under the exploding Lisa Frank art work in centerfield, Hanley will have him beat.

   56. Random Transaction Generator Posted: February 29, 2012 at 11:57 AM (#4070945)
Putting Jeter in that image completely messes it up.

Retired, living, HOF players at the table.
Deceased, HOF players on the wall.

He should have left two seats open, one for the never-attending Pujols, and another for attending-in-the-future Jeter.
   57. flournoy Posted: February 29, 2012 at 12:01 PM (#4070950)
So Berra missed the one-team icons club by 4 games and 9 PAs. Is there a player who missed that club by less games/PAs than him?


Less PAs, yes. Ryne Sandberg had 6 PA in 13 games with the Phillies.

EDIT: Though if you want to be chronological about it, I guess Sandberg missed by over 9000 PAs.
   58. Kurt Posted: February 29, 2012 at 12:13 PM (#4070958)
That really is a terrible drawing of Jeter.

Between that, Jeter still being active and the fact that the cartoon doesn't specify that all the players are in the HOF, I thought the Yankee would be Mattingly.
   59. Shredder Posted: February 29, 2012 at 12:18 PM (#4070960)
So Berra missed the one-team icons club by 4 games and 9 PAs. Is there a player who missed that club by less games/PAs than him?
Let's wait for the season to start. Remember, Pujols did sign with the Angels, so there's a very good chance he Mo Vaughan's himself in the first game.
   60. Kurt Posted: February 29, 2012 at 12:21 PM (#4070963)
In fact SoSH is wrong in #22, the comments never confirm that the Yankee is Jeter. I say it's Mattingly.
   61. Randy Jones Posted: February 29, 2012 at 12:26 PM (#4070970)
I say it's Mattingly.


No sideburns. It's supposed to be Jeter.
   62. michaelplank has knowledgeable eyes Posted: February 29, 2012 at 12:31 PM (#4070976)
In fact SoSH is wrong in #22, the comments never confirm that the Yankee is Jeter. I say it's Mattingly.


He must have finally trimmed those sideburns.

Mike Schmidt's exclusion among the living is a bit odd too,

He's on the far left, with the mustache and the bat on his shoulder


I know he struck out a lot, but that's just cruel.
   63. Dan Szymborski Posted: February 29, 2012 at 12:38 PM (#4070983)
Should players before free agency really "count?" It seems to be an easy task to stay in one uniform when you don't have any choice in the matter.
   64. John Northey Posted: February 29, 2012 at 12:39 PM (#4070984)
A lot of HOF'ers with one team in the free agent era eh? Given how the media used to go nuts about how it was going to end that it is nice to see.

Free Agency: 1976
Active on just one team since:
Yankees: Jeter, Rivera (if both stay there to the end)
Red Sox: Jim Rice, Carl Yastrzemski (36 when FA started)
Pirates: Willie Stargell (36 when FA started)
Orioles: Jim Palmer (30), Cal Ripken, Brooks Robinson (39)
Reds: Johnny Bench (28), Barry Larkin (missed in earlier list)
Detroit Tigers: if makes it someday Lou Whitaker, Alan Trammell
Royals: George Brett
Phillies: Mike Schmidt
Padres: Tony Gwynn
Twins: Kirby Puckett
Brewers: Robin Yount
Houston: Biggio & Bagwell (if makes it)
Atlanta: Chipper Jones (if makes it)

So 13 who have done it (5 had time pre-FA), another 3 who are active and 4 who are retired who have a shot at it (Whitaker the lowest odds, Trammell has a long wait ahead). More than most would've predicted back in '76.
   65. Booey Posted: February 29, 2012 at 01:02 PM (#4071000)
Mariners: Ichiro! and possibly Edgar (he's got at least as good a shot as Trammell and probably better than Whitaker)

Rockies: Helton (again, probably as good a shot as Trammell or Whitaker)

Yankees: Bernie and Posada are at least longshot possibilities, right?
   66. Booey Posted: February 29, 2012 at 01:25 PM (#4071028)
So the last starting pitcher to make the HOF as a one team player was Palmer, and there are no others on the current ballot or coming up soon that look like they could do it.

Damn you John Smoltz! So close...
   67. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 29, 2012 at 01:41 PM (#4071045)
If it is Jeter, shouldn't he be threatening to leave the room, only to be asked to stay at the last second?
   68. vagab0nd (no longer an outl13r) Posted: February 29, 2012 at 01:58 PM (#4071064)
Damn you John Smoltz! So close...


Wow, I thought that he got a cup of coffee with the Tigers before being traded. I completely blocked out his time with the Sawx and Cards.
   69. Snowboy Posted: February 29, 2012 at 02:04 PM (#4071070)
I would be thrilled if Jeter spent one season at the end of his career hitting .173 as a bench player for the orange uniformed Marlins, or something.


How often does this happen in baseball? It seems most prevalent in football. There was a peculiar awkwardness (sadness, really) about Tony Dorsett as a Denver Bronco or Johnny Unitas as a San Diego Charger. Montana in Kansas City? Eric Dickerson a Falcon? In hockey, Darryl Sittler the Red Wing forever scarred my memory of him. I never want to see another picture of Michael Jordan as a Washington Wizard, and I've never seen (or wanted to) Allen Iverson in his Turkish semi-pro league uniform, nor George Best at the end of his career playing in (apparently) Brisbane.

Sometimes a player (Carlos Delgado) has no choice in the matter, he is in the prime of his career and not offered a contract by his team. Other times (Jim Thome, Manny Ramirez) they are given competitive offers in their prime but choose to leave. But how often has a player hung on too long and ruined their invitation to the one-team-only banquet? Yogi Berra as a Met and Ryne Sandberg as a Philly have already been mentioned above. Zack Wheat as a Philly A might qualify, but that was probably more Brooklyn's mistake than anything (they didn't replace him with anything decent or up'n'coming, and they were a crap team, and Wheat could still hit, so they should have kept him.) Garret Anderson as an LA Dodger reminds me a lot of Darryl Sittler (especially since GA as a Brave and Sittler as a Flyer were not putrid, but in their last year as Dodgers and Red Wings they were a shadow of their former selves.) Dave Steib should probably have remained a life-long Blue Jay, he had nothing left (or to prove) as a White Sox. And although he was technically traded, so maybe some will defend it as "not his choice", I think Willie Mays should probably have been a life-long Giants player, and his turn as a Met did not enhance his career. Others?
   70. flournoy Posted: February 29, 2012 at 02:10 PM (#4071078)
First guys who come to my mind are John Smoltz and Charles Nagy. There are a lot of guys like this, though. The Braves are very noteworthy here, besides just Smoltz; Hank Aaron, Eddie Mathews, and Warren Spahn all qualify. Dwight Evans fits. Mark Gubicza, too.
   71. dlf Posted: February 29, 2012 at 02:11 PM (#4071081)
But how often has a player hung on too long and ruined their invitation to the one-team-only banquet? Yogi Berra as a Met and Ryne Sandberg as a Philly have already been mentioned above.


Ryno's time in Philly was at the beginning of his career. He was a throw-in in the Bowa for deJesus trade.
   72. Snowboy Posted: February 29, 2012 at 02:17 PM (#4071089)
Whoops, sorry about that Ryno!
(No wonder I didn't remember it.)
   73. dlf Posted: February 29, 2012 at 02:17 PM (#4071091)
So Berra missed the one-team icons club by 4 games and 9 PAs. Is there a player who missed that club by less games/PAs than him?


Christy Mathewson's Giants career: 4,779 Innings, 636 games, 372 Wins, 2.13 ERA
Christy Mathewson's Reds career: 8 Innings, 1 game, 1 win, 8.00 ERA.
   74. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 29, 2012 at 02:18 PM (#4071092)
. Others?


Hank Aaron with the Brewers
Harmon Killebrew with the Royals
Babe Ruth with the Braves
Billy Williams with the Athletics
Dale Murphy with the Phillies, Rockies
Frank Thomas with the Blue Jays, Athletics

NFL
OJ Simpson with the Niners
Joe Namath with the Rams
Franco Harris with the Seahawks
Thurman Thomas with the Dolphins
Emmitt Smith with the Cardinals
Jerry Rice with the Broncos, Raiders, Seahawks

NBA
Patrick Ewing with the Sonics, Magic
Karl Malone with the Lakers
Hakeem Olujawon with the Raptors
Walt Frazier with the Cavs
Dominique Wilkins with the Magic
   75. DA Baracus Posted: February 29, 2012 at 02:23 PM (#4071103)
Babe Ruth with the Braves


You forgot the beginning of his career.
   76. Walt Davis Posted: February 29, 2012 at 02:24 PM (#4071105)
So Berra missed the one-team icons club by 4 games and 9 PAs. Is there a player who missed that club by less games/PAs than him?

Probably not unique but the Cubs have a number of these kinds of guys:

Hartnett: 165 PA with the Giants
Chance: 33 PA with the Yankees
Sandberg: already mentioned
Santo: 418 PA with the White Sox

Throw in Banks at SS and that's a pretty awesome infield. The all/nearly-all Cub OF still sucks though (I don't even know who qualifies) unless you want to ignore Williams' 1000 PA with Oakland which seems too many to ignore.

Oh, on the all-time one-team-only team, if we're going peak, Banks over Ripken. For career, Larkin vs. Ripken is tough.

And SP is where the multi-team team really dominates. In addition to the ones already listed: Unit, Niekro, Perry, Spahn, Blyleven, Mathewson (by 9 IP), Ryan, Carlton, Fergie, Roberts, Pedro, Mussina ... of the top 30 all-time in WAR, I think only Johnson and Gibson are one-team guys (maybe some of the 19th century).

And who knew Reuschel has more WAR than Feller (by .3 :-).
   77. The kids disappeared, now Der-K has too much candy Posted: February 29, 2012 at 02:27 PM (#4071109)
Nique was also a Celt. And a Clipper. And a Spur. And some stuff in Europe.
   78. Walt Davis Posted: February 29, 2012 at 02:29 PM (#4071110)
On the drawing ... nice enough. Some of the faces are too non-descript -- id'ing Koufax is particularly tough and I first thought Yount was Randy Johnson but that doesn't work. I thought Schmidt might be Mattingly but finally made out the P on his uni. Including Jeter before he's even retired much less in the HoF is cheating.
   79. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: February 29, 2012 at 02:34 PM (#4071115)
Oh okay, I thought there were two Robin Younts.


I first looked at this from L to R, andthought Schmidt was Yount too at first, and thought to myself, this mustache isn't accurate, he had a handlebar, and then I noticed the pinstripes and the "P" before I noticed Yount's likeness on the right side of the table.

Musial seems very old, sick and frail in this picture.
   80. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 29, 2012 at 02:44 PM (#4071125)
Mark Belanger with the Dodgers
Boog Powell with the Indians, Dodgers
Ray Schalk with the Giants
Ty Cobb with the Athletics
Sam Rice with the Indians
Ron Santo with the White Sox
Phil Cavaretta with the White Sox
Gil Hodges with the Mets
Bud Harrelson with the Phillies and Rangers
Marty Marion with the Browns
Dave McNally with the Expos
Mickey Lolich with the Mets and Padres
Dizzy Trout with the Orioles and Red Sox
Lefty Gomez with the Senators
Larry Dierker with the Cardinals
Bob Forsch with the Astros
Johnny Podres with the Tigers
Juan Marichal with the DODGERS of all teams

Nellie Fox with the Astros (although he began with the Phillies)
Trevor Hoffman with the Brewers (although he began with the Marlins)
   81. Random Transaction Generator Posted: February 29, 2012 at 02:52 PM (#4071131)
In hockey, Darryl Sittler the Red Wing forever scarred my memory of him.

Nah. He had his time in Philly to soften that blow.

This, however, hurts me to this day.
4.3% of his career.

Other NHL ones:

Bobby Orr, Chicago Blackhawks (0.9% of his career)
Gordie Howe, Hartford Whalers (4.5% of his (NHL) career)
Ray Bourque, Colorado Avalanche (5.8% of his career...but his only Stanley Cup)
Mike Modano, Detroit Red Wings (2.7% of his career)
Brian Leetch, Toronto Maple Leafs/Boston Bruins (6.3% of his career)

There are surprisingly few HOF players who have done this. Often they stayed in one place, or switched midway through their careers.

   82. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: February 29, 2012 at 02:54 PM (#4071135)
In fact SoSH is wrong in #22, the comments never confirm that the Yankee is Jeter. I say it's Mattingly.


I don't think so. He doesn't specifically come out and say it's Jeter, but his answer to the first person who thought it was Jeter ("it's not sad at all") and the fact that he doesn't correct later posters who say it's Jeter suggests that it is in fact Derek.

   83. Misirlou was a Buddhist prodigy Posted: February 29, 2012 at 02:55 PM (#4071136)
Probably not unique but the Cubs have a number of these kinds of guys:

Hartnett: 165 PA with the Giants
Chance: 33 PA with the Yankees
Sandberg: already mentioned
Santo: 418 PA with the White Sox


Phil Cavaretta 192 PA with the White Sox.
   84. SandyRiver Posted: February 29, 2012 at 03:02 PM (#4071141)
Surprised Mays hasn't been mentioned in the "almost" class, though maybe folks wish to forget his brief time with the Mets, about half as many PA as Aaron had with the Brewers.

And The Man is pretty old and frail. For a guy who grew up breathing the mega-polluted air of Donora, PA, he's made it a long time.
   85. Booey Posted: February 29, 2012 at 03:03 PM (#4071143)
Hank Aaron with the Brewers
Harmon Killebrew with the Royals
Babe Ruth with the Braves
Billy Williams with the Athletics
Dale Murphy with the Phillies, Rockies
Frank Thomas with the Blue Jays, Athletics


I don't think it counts if a player was a star for one of their secondary teams. I think it should only count as "almost" if they ended up on another team at the end of their career as a shadow of their former self. Enhancing your career is much different than tarnishing the memories of your legacy.

Ruth was an all star caliber player on the Red Sox before he was ever a Yankee. Thomas finished in the top 10 in MVP voting one year as an A.
   86. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: February 29, 2012 at 03:07 PM (#4071148)
Should players before free agency really "count?" It seems to be an easy task to stay in one uniform when you don't have any choice in the matter.


On the other hand, you didn't have any choice if, in your later years, the team wanted to peddle your ass.

Playing your entire career in one place has always been rare. As John's list shows, FA hasn't changed things all that dramatically.
   87. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 29, 2012 at 03:10 PM (#4071151)

I don't think it counts if a player was a star for one of their secondary teams. I think it should only count as "almost" if they ended up on another team at the end of their career as a shadow of their former self.


That's a good point. Joe Montana, FWIW, was still an excellent QB in Kansas City and led the Chiefs to the AFC Championship game!
   88. Every Inge Counts Posted: February 29, 2012 at 03:12 PM (#4071157)
Tim Brown final season was with the Buccaneers.
Thurman Thomas final season was with the Miami Dolphins
Andre Reed finished off with the Redskins

Not the same, but Reggie White retired for a year and played his final season with the Carolina Panthers.

I made a sporcle quizz about famous athlete's last teams a while back...not a comprhensive list or anything...
http://www.sporcle.com/games/RollTideRoll/lasthurrah
   89. Booey Posted: February 29, 2012 at 03:28 PM (#4071171)
And SP is where the multi-team team really dominates. In addition to the ones already listed: Unit, Niekro, Perry, Spahn, Blyleven, Mathewson (by 9 IP), Ryan, Carlton, Fergie, Roberts, Pedro, Mussina ... of the top 30 all-time in WAR, I think only Johnson and Gibson are one-team guys (maybe some of the 19th century).

Yeah, but the one teamers could still reel off a starting 5 of Johnson, Gibson, Feller, Koufax, and either Ford or Palmer. Use Drysdale, Lemon, Lyons, etc for middle relief and let Rivera pitch the 9th. That ain't half bad.

The two teams are a lot closer than I would've thought. It kinda surprised me how many of the top 10 SS and 3B were one teamers. Banks, Ripken, Jeter, Yount, and Larkin at SS (plus Trammell might fit in there too). Schmidt, Brett, Chipper (hell, that's 3 of the top 4 or 5 right there) and Brooks at 3B.
   90. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: February 29, 2012 at 03:34 PM (#4071177)
And SP is where the multi-team team really dominates. In addition to the ones already listed: Unit, Niekro, Perry, Spahn, Blyleven, Mathewson (by 9 IP), Ryan, Carlton, Fergie, Roberts, Pedro, Mussina ... of the top 30 all-time in WAR, I think only Johnson and Gibson are one-team guys (maybe some of the 19th century).


What team has the best starting rotation filled with just guys who played there? I ask because the Royals, quite surprisingly, are a Mark Gubicza two-game stint with the Angels away from having a really solid 5-man staff (Leonard, Splittorff, Busby, Rosado all qualifying).

   91. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 29, 2012 at 03:39 PM (#4071185)
What team has the best starting rotation filled with just guys who played there? I ask because the Royals, quite surprisingly, are a Mark Gubicza two-game stint with the Angels away from having a really solid 5-man staff (Leonard, Splittorff, Busby, Rosado all qualifying).

Yankees start with Ford and Guidry off the top of my head.

Edit: Yankees

Whitey Ford 236-10, 3170 IP, 133 ERA+
Spud Chandler 109-43, 1485, 132
Ron Guidry 170-91, 2498, 119
Mel Stottlemyre 164-139, 2661, 112

and 4.2 IP with Wash away from adding

Lefty Gomez 189-101, 2498, 126

I'll give you Gubicza if you give us Gomez.
   92. Booey Posted: February 29, 2012 at 03:41 PM (#4071189)
What team has the best starting rotation filled with just guys who played there?

The Dodgers would have a good start with Koufax, Drysdale, and 3 of whoever else. The Indians would have a big 3 of Feller, Lemon, and Joss, plus 2 of whoever else.
   93. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: February 29, 2012 at 03:41 PM (#4071190)
Yankees start with Ford and Guidry off the top of my head.


I thought of them, but nobody beyond those two jumped out at me.
   94. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 29, 2012 at 03:48 PM (#4071198)
I thought of them, but nobody beyond those two jumped out at me.

see edit of 91. Thanks BRef!
   95. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 29, 2012 at 03:48 PM (#4071200)

What team has the best starting rotation filled with just guys who played there? I ask because the Royals, quite surprisingly, are a Mark Gubicza two-game stint with the Angels away from having a really solid 5-man staff (Leonard, Splittorff, Busby, Rosado all qualifying).


Whitey Ford/Ron Guidry/Mel Stottlemyre....hmmm can't find anyone else decent

Jim Palmer/Scott McGregor/Dave McNally spent all of 12 games with Baltimore

Don Drysdale/Sandy Koufax/Carl Erskine/Nap Rucker....

Bob Feller/Mel Harder/Bob Lemon/Addie Joss/Guy Morton/almost Charles Nagy

   96. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 29, 2012 at 03:52 PM (#4071210)
Whitey Ford/Ron Guidry/Mel Stottlemyre....hmmm can't find anyone else decent

Spud Chandler. And Lefty Gomez if we forgive 4 IP with the Senators.
   97. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: February 29, 2012 at 03:54 PM (#4071214)
I'll give you Gubicza if you give us Gomez.


I wasn't claiming the Royals had the best. I was merely noting that it was far better than a franchise its age and with its resources would be expected to produce, and how close it had come to having an impressive 5-man staff.
   98. Booey Posted: February 29, 2012 at 03:55 PM (#4071216)
What team has the best starting rotation filled with just guys who played there?

How many teams even COULD come up with a one team starting five at all, let alone one filled with pitchers who were actually good?

(and there has to be some IP minimum to count, but I don't know what it should be)
   99. JJ1986 Posted: February 29, 2012 at 03:57 PM (#4071219)
From just spot-checking, the only-Mets starting pitcher with the highest WAR is: Mike Pelfrey.

B-ref displays the 50 Mets pitchers with the highest WAR. There is not a second qualifying player on that list.
   100. flournoy Posted: February 29, 2012 at 04:01 PM (#4071226)
Best Braves-only pitcher is Rick Camp. Second best is Tommy Hanson.
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