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And I guess the black Cardinal is Bob Gibson?
Koufax - you can see the LA on his chair.
My first guess was Jeter. It doesn't look like Gehrig, though his absence would be more head-scratching than Yaz's.
Other than those two, it was quite easy, though.
I love the Big Train drawing. It's simple yet it captures him really well.
Who is the pitcher between Johnson and Mantle on the wall? (Ted Lyons?)
My guess was Jeter too. But now that you raise the question I'm not so sure.
That's what I thought at first. It's Bob Feller.
Feller.
Doh! Though Gehrig's absence from the wall is still perplexing.
Feller
They wore that C on the home uniform in Feller's day.
"In the article, I included a sampling of Hall of Famers who played their full careers with one team, I omitted many. According to the National Baseball Hall of Fame, here are all 47:
Yankees: Earle Combs, Bill Dickey, Joe DiMaggio, Whitey Ford, Lou Gehrig, Mickey Mantle, Phil Rizzuto;
Dodgers: Roy Campanella, Don Drysdale, Sandy Koufax, Pee Wee Reese, Jackie Robinson;
Giants: Carl Hubbell, Travis Jackson, Mel Ott, Bill Terry, Ross Youngs;
Red Sox: Bobby Doerr, Jim Rice, Ted Williams, Carl Yastrzemski;
Pirates: Roberto Clemente, Bill Mazeroski, Willie Stargell, Pie Traynor;
Indians: Bob Feller, Addie Joss, Bob Lemon;
White Sox: Luke Appling, Red Faber, Ted Lyons;
Orioles: Jim Palmer, Cal Ripken, Brooks Robinson;
Reds: Johnny Bench, Bid McPhee;
Detroit Tigers: Charlie Gehringer, Al Kaline;
Cardinals: Bob Gibson, Stan Musial;
Royals: George Brett;
Cubs: Ernie Banks;
Phillies: Mike Schmidt;
Padres: Tony Gwynn;
Senators: Walter Johnson;
Twins: Kirby Puckett;
Brewers: Robin Yount."
Mike Schmidt's exclusion among the living is a bit odd too, although I guess you can't include everyone. But its not like he's disappeared - he's still pretty active in the game and I'd say he was a pretty high profile player.
I don't know why I never knew this, but I'm surprised to learn Brooks Robinson is in the Hall.
Are there any active future HOFers other than Jeter, Rivera, and Chipper that look like they may someday join this group?
Ichiro.
#28, That's Stan Musial.
Stan Musial.
Coke to Charles S.
He's on the far left, with the mustache and the bat on his shoulder
Who's the guy that says, "I guess he's not coming?"
D'oh! Musial, of course. I don't know how I missed that...
Edit: cokes and stuff
Yeah, I thought of them, but left them out cuz they weren't active. Missed Ichiro though.
And where is Jackie Robinson? (A guy who retired instead of going to the Giants)
And joining the Bagwell/Biggio group of not active players, I hope Edgar makes it someday.
There's just not enough space on the wall. Gehrig, Jackie and Clemente, at the very least, are all wall-worthy.
Of the 47 listed in #20, who is worse than Puckett? Rice?
Just remove Puckett. He really shouldn't be in the picture anyway. Not nearly as good a player as anyone else there and then there is the whole sexual assault thing...
There are other people at the table. Hence, he feels the table to be beneath him.
Also, nice cartoon, but boo-hoo.
That was the only one I had any trouble with. The road uniform threw me off, since everyone else is wearing their home jerseys.
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Just remove Puckett. He really shouldn't be in the picture anyway.
I'd agree with that, except those fabulous shine lines in that picture remind me of a high school friend of mine whose self-given nicknames were "Homer King" and "Mr. Baseball". He always used to draw cartoons of himself in heroic poses with stars and shine lines coming from every direction, very much like that Puckett cartoon.
Multiple team: C Berra, 1B Foxx, 2B Morgan or Collins or Hornsby, 3B Mathews, SS Wagner, LF Bonds, CF Mays, RF Ruth, SP Grove or Seaver.
Single team: C Bench, 1B Gehrig, 2B Robinson, 3B Schmidt, SS Ripken maybe, LF Williams, CF DiMaggio, RF Mantle, SP Big Train.
Seaver over Clemens, Maddux, Alexander, and Young?
I'd give the multiple team the slight edge, but it's a lot closer than I would've thought. The single team has the best ever C, 1B, 3B, and P. And if you added RP, they'd have that too.
Oh okay, I thought there were two Robin Younts.
I'd move Mantle to CF and put Musial at one of the corners instead of DiMaggio.
Probably not at the moment, but when he wraps up his Hall of Fame career in an understated ceremony under the exploding Lisa Frank art work in centerfield, Hanley will have him beat.
Retired, living, HOF players at the table.
Deceased, HOF players on the wall.
He should have left two seats open, one for the never-attending Pujols, and another for attending-in-the-future Jeter.
Less PAs, yes. Ryne Sandberg had 6 PA in 13 games with the Phillies.
EDIT: Though if you want to be chronological about it, I guess Sandberg missed by over 9000 PAs.
Between that, Jeter still being active and the fact that the cartoon doesn't specify that all the players are in the HOF, I thought the Yankee would be Mattingly.
No sideburns. It's supposed to be Jeter.
He must have finally trimmed those sideburns.
I know he struck out a lot, but that's just cruel.
Free Agency: 1976
Active on just one team since:
Yankees: Jeter, Rivera (if both stay there to the end)
Red Sox: Jim Rice, Carl Yastrzemski (36 when FA started)
Pirates: Willie Stargell (36 when FA started)
Orioles: Jim Palmer (30), Cal Ripken, Brooks Robinson (39)
Reds: Johnny Bench (28), Barry Larkin (missed in earlier list)
Detroit Tigers: if makes it someday Lou Whitaker, Alan Trammell
Royals: George Brett
Phillies: Mike Schmidt
Padres: Tony Gwynn
Twins: Kirby Puckett
Brewers: Robin Yount
Houston: Biggio & Bagwell (if makes it)
Atlanta: Chipper Jones (if makes it)
So 13 who have done it (5 had time pre-FA), another 3 who are active and 4 who are retired who have a shot at it (Whitaker the lowest odds, Trammell has a long wait ahead). More than most would've predicted back in '76.
Rockies: Helton (again, probably as good a shot as Trammell or Whitaker)
Yankees: Bernie and Posada are at least longshot possibilities, right?
Damn you John Smoltz! So close...
Wow, I thought that he got a cup of coffee with the Tigers before being traded. I completely blocked out his time with the Sawx and Cards.
How often does this happen in baseball? It seems most prevalent in football. There was a peculiar awkwardness (sadness, really) about Tony Dorsett as a Denver Bronco or Johnny Unitas as a San Diego Charger. Montana in Kansas City? Eric Dickerson a Falcon? In hockey, Darryl Sittler the Red Wing forever scarred my memory of him. I never want to see another picture of Michael Jordan as a Washington Wizard, and I've never seen (or wanted to) Allen Iverson in his Turkish semi-pro league uniform, nor George Best at the end of his career playing in (apparently) Brisbane.
Sometimes a player (Carlos Delgado) has no choice in the matter, he is in the prime of his career and not offered a contract by his team. Other times (Jim Thome, Manny Ramirez) they are given competitive offers in their prime but choose to leave. But how often has a player hung on too long and ruined their invitation to the one-team-only banquet? Yogi Berra as a Met and Ryne Sandberg as a Philly have already been mentioned above. Zack Wheat as a Philly A might qualify, but that was probably more Brooklyn's mistake than anything (they didn't replace him with anything decent or up'n'coming, and they were a crap team, and Wheat could still hit, so they should have kept him.) Garret Anderson as an LA Dodger reminds me a lot of Darryl Sittler (especially since GA as a Brave and Sittler as a Flyer were not putrid, but in their last year as Dodgers and Red Wings they were a shadow of their former selves.) Dave Steib should probably have remained a life-long Blue Jay, he had nothing left (or to prove) as a White Sox. And although he was technically traded, so maybe some will defend it as "not his choice", I think Willie Mays should probably have been a life-long Giants player, and his turn as a Met did not enhance his career. Others?
Ryno's time in Philly was at the beginning of his career. He was a throw-in in the Bowa for deJesus trade.
(No wonder I didn't remember it.)
Christy Mathewson's Giants career: 4,779 Innings, 636 games, 372 Wins, 2.13 ERA
Christy Mathewson's Reds career: 8 Innings, 1 game, 1 win, 8.00 ERA.
Hank Aaron with the Brewers
Harmon Killebrew with the Royals
Babe Ruth with the Braves
Billy Williams with the Athletics
Dale Murphy with the Phillies, Rockies
Frank Thomas with the Blue Jays, Athletics
NFL
OJ Simpson with the Niners
Joe Namath with the Rams
Franco Harris with the Seahawks
Thurman Thomas with the Dolphins
Emmitt Smith with the Cardinals
Jerry Rice with the Broncos, Raiders, Seahawks
NBA
Patrick Ewing with the Sonics, Magic
Karl Malone with the Lakers
Hakeem Olujawon with the Raptors
Walt Frazier with the Cavs
Dominique Wilkins with the Magic
You forgot the beginning of his career.
Probably not unique but the Cubs have a number of these kinds of guys:
Hartnett: 165 PA with the Giants
Chance: 33 PA with the Yankees
Sandberg: already mentioned
Santo: 418 PA with the White Sox
Throw in Banks at SS and that's a pretty awesome infield. The all/nearly-all Cub OF still sucks though (I don't even know who qualifies) unless you want to ignore Williams' 1000 PA with Oakland which seems too many to ignore.
Oh, on the all-time one-team-only team, if we're going peak, Banks over Ripken. For career, Larkin vs. Ripken is tough.
And SP is where the multi-team team really dominates. In addition to the ones already listed: Unit, Niekro, Perry, Spahn, Blyleven, Mathewson (by 9 IP), Ryan, Carlton, Fergie, Roberts, Pedro, Mussina ... of the top 30 all-time in WAR, I think only Johnson and Gibson are one-team guys (maybe some of the 19th century).
And who knew Reuschel has more WAR than Feller (by .3 :-).
I first looked at this from L to R, andthought Schmidt was Yount too at first, and thought to myself, this mustache isn't accurate, he had a handlebar, and then I noticed the pinstripes and the "P" before I noticed Yount's likeness on the right side of the table.
Musial seems very old, sick and frail in this picture.
Boog Powell with the Indians, Dodgers
Ray Schalk with the Giants
Ty Cobb with the Athletics
Sam Rice with the Indians
Ron Santo with the White Sox
Phil Cavaretta with the White Sox
Gil Hodges with the Mets
Bud Harrelson with the Phillies and Rangers
Marty Marion with the Browns
Dave McNally with the Expos
Mickey Lolich with the Mets and Padres
Dizzy Trout with the Orioles and Red Sox
Lefty Gomez with the Senators
Larry Dierker with the Cardinals
Bob Forsch with the Astros
Johnny Podres with the Tigers
Juan Marichal with the DODGERS of all teams
Nellie Fox with the Astros (although he began with the Phillies)
Trevor Hoffman with the Brewers (although he began with the Marlins)
Nah. He had his time in Philly to soften that blow.
This, however, hurts me to this day.
4.3% of his career.
Other NHL ones:
Bobby Orr, Chicago Blackhawks (0.9% of his career)
Gordie Howe, Hartford Whalers (4.5% of his (NHL) career)
Ray Bourque, Colorado Avalanche (5.8% of his career...but his only Stanley Cup)
Mike Modano, Detroit Red Wings (2.7% of his career)
Brian Leetch, Toronto Maple Leafs/Boston Bruins (6.3% of his career)
There are surprisingly few HOF players who have done this. Often they stayed in one place, or switched midway through their careers.
I don't think so. He doesn't specifically come out and say it's Jeter, but his answer to the first person who thought it was Jeter ("it's not sad at all") and the fact that he doesn't correct later posters who say it's Jeter suggests that it is in fact Derek.
Phil Cavaretta 192 PA with the White Sox.
And The Man is pretty old and frail. For a guy who grew up breathing the mega-polluted air of Donora, PA, he's made it a long time.
Harmon Killebrew with the Royals
Babe Ruth with the Braves
Billy Williams with the Athletics
Dale Murphy with the Phillies, Rockies
Frank Thomas with the Blue Jays, Athletics
I don't think it counts if a player was a star for one of their secondary teams. I think it should only count as "almost" if they ended up on another team at the end of their career as a shadow of their former self. Enhancing your career is much different than tarnishing the memories of your legacy.
Ruth was an all star caliber player on the Red Sox before he was ever a Yankee. Thomas finished in the top 10 in MVP voting one year as an A.
On the other hand, you didn't have any choice if, in your later years, the team wanted to peddle your ass.
Playing your entire career in one place has always been rare. As John's list shows, FA hasn't changed things all that dramatically.
That's a good point. Joe Montana, FWIW, was still an excellent QB in Kansas City and led the Chiefs to the AFC Championship game!
Thurman Thomas final season was with the Miami Dolphins
Andre Reed finished off with the Redskins
Not the same, but Reggie White retired for a year and played his final season with the Carolina Panthers.
I made a sporcle quizz about famous athlete's last teams a while back...not a comprhensive list or anything...
http://www.sporcle.com/games/RollTideRoll/lasthurrah
Yeah, but the one teamers could still reel off a starting 5 of Johnson, Gibson, Feller, Koufax, and either Ford or Palmer. Use Drysdale, Lemon, Lyons, etc for middle relief and let Rivera pitch the 9th. That ain't half bad.
The two teams are a lot closer than I would've thought. It kinda surprised me how many of the top 10 SS and 3B were one teamers. Banks, Ripken, Jeter, Yount, and Larkin at SS (plus Trammell might fit in there too). Schmidt, Brett, Chipper (hell, that's 3 of the top 4 or 5 right there) and Brooks at 3B.
What team has the best starting rotation filled with just guys who played there? I ask because the Royals, quite surprisingly, are a Mark Gubicza two-game stint with the Angels away from having a really solid 5-man staff (Leonard, Splittorff, Busby, Rosado all qualifying).
Yankees start with Ford and Guidry off the top of my head.
Edit: Yankees
Whitey Ford 236-10, 3170 IP, 133 ERA+
Spud Chandler 109-43, 1485, 132
Ron Guidry 170-91, 2498, 119
Mel Stottlemyre 164-139, 2661, 112
and 4.2 IP with Wash away from adding
Lefty Gomez 189-101, 2498, 126
I'll give you Gubicza if you give us Gomez.
The Dodgers would have a good start with Koufax, Drysdale, and 3 of whoever else. The Indians would have a big 3 of Feller, Lemon, and Joss, plus 2 of whoever else.
I thought of them, but nobody beyond those two jumped out at me.
see edit of 91. Thanks BRef!
Whitey Ford/Ron Guidry/Mel Stottlemyre....hmmm can't find anyone else decent
Jim Palmer/Scott McGregor/Dave McNally spent all of 12 games with Baltimore
Don Drysdale/Sandy Koufax/Carl Erskine/Nap Rucker....
Bob Feller/Mel Harder/Bob Lemon/Addie Joss/Guy Morton/almost Charles Nagy
Spud Chandler. And Lefty Gomez if we forgive 4 IP with the Senators.
I wasn't claiming the Royals had the best. I was merely noting that it was far better than a franchise its age and with its resources would be expected to produce, and how close it had come to having an impressive 5-man staff.
How many teams even COULD come up with a one team starting five at all, let alone one filled with pitchers who were actually good?
(and there has to be some IP minimum to count, but I don't know what it should be)
B-ref displays the 50 Mets pitchers with the highest WAR. There is not a second qualifying player on that list.
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