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The Read Zone: On Matt Harvey’s Tuesday Night Brush With Perfection, Was It The Best by a Met All Time?

#8 Johan Santana, 2012 – Game Score: 90

#4 Al Leiter, 1999 – Game Score: 86
Leiter threw 135 pitches that day — he threw 120+ pitches eleven times in 1999 — in a performance that should go down as one of the Mets’ best all time.  He was never pretty, walking four, but he sure got the job done.  A little more than a year later, he would throw 142 pitches in Game 5 of the 2000 World Series.

#2 David Cone, 1991 – Game Score: 99

thetailor Posted: May 09, 2013 at 01:25 PM | 14 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: May 09, 2013 at 09:09 PM (#4439091)
Some games I attended that were not on this list but were great performances by Met pitchers nonetheless:

7/14/01 - Glendon Rusch vs. BOS, 8 IP, 0 R, 1 H, 1 BB, 10 K, 89 GSc

The one hit Rusch allowed was an infield single in the first inning, and it should have been called an error on Lenny Harris.

5/14/02 - Pedro Astacio @LAD - 9 IP, 0 R, 2 H, 2 BB, 9 K, 90 GSc
5/15/02 - Jeff D'Amico @LAD - 9 IP, 0 R, 2 H, 2 BB, 8 K, 89 GSc

Yes, those two games were on back-to-back nights. It was pretty awesome to be a Mets fan in Dodgers Stadium that week.
   2. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: May 09, 2013 at 09:27 PM (#4439101)

I should also add that watching that David Cone 19-strikeout game on t.v. with my grandfather when I was 12 years old is one of my fondest baseball memories.
   3. AndrewJ Posted: May 09, 2013 at 09:55 PM (#4439118)
Nice to see Harvey pitching his masterpiece in the old-school Mets uniform.
   4. valuearbitrageur Posted: May 09, 2013 at 10:16 PM (#4439136)
Pedro's 15 K no walk no runs 2 hitter in May, 2000 (game score 98) was best ever by Mets pitcher.
   5. thetailor Posted: May 09, 2013 at 11:03 PM (#4439193)
KT -- May 2000?

I actually neglected to mention one of the VERY BEST ever -- Bobby Jones's one-hitter against the Giants in the playoffs. I am particularly remiss for omitting that because I was there. It probably would have ranked #4 or so for me - it was a playoff game, but not do or die, even though had they lost they would have had to go back to SF for Game 5.
   6. bobm Posted: May 09, 2013 at 11:16 PM (#4439206)
Game Score in the New York Post, of all places:

For some additional perspective, we turned to the metric called “game score,” designed by statistical analysis guru Bill James that’s pretty simple: You get points rewarded for innings pitched and strikeouts, and you have points deducted for runs, hits and walks. As Cliff Corcoran pointed out for SI.com [http://mlb.si.com/2013/05/07/matt-harvey-loses-perfect-game/], Harvey’s game score of 97 ranks as the best game pitched by anyone this season, topping Texas’ Yu Darvish’s near-perfect game against Houston by a point, and it’s the best showing by a Mets since David Cone scored a 99, striking out 19, on the final day of the 1991 season in Philadelphia.


NY Post: Davidoff: Gem by Mets' Harvey gets a near perfect score
   7. Lassus Posted: May 10, 2013 at 12:21 AM (#4439250)
I was at this 77 game score of Jae Seo's. It was pretty awesome.
   8. valuearbitrageur Posted: May 10, 2013 at 01:25 AM (#4439275)
KT -- May 2000?


I didn't think Mets fans would be picky.
   9. thetailor Posted: May 10, 2013 at 10:34 AM (#4439461)
#6 - Just when you think you've seen it all

So what do people think -- is this the best one? That's what I'm trying to figure out here. Obviously it's a subjective exercise based on how much you value hits, strikeouts, and context/importance of the game -- but I think it is.
   10. depletion Posted: May 10, 2013 at 10:35 AM (#4439463)
I don't know the game score formula (reference, please). Does it include the strength of opponent? I saw the Seaver 4/22/70 game on TV. He struck out the last ten and it looked like if they stuck another ten guys up there he'd strike them out, too. It was, however, the expansion Padres with a below average line-up.
   11. depletion Posted: May 10, 2013 at 10:37 AM (#4439468)
Bobby Jones game, someone got to 2B (Kent?). It was a tense game as the Mets were not scoring much either.
   12. thetailor Posted: May 10, 2013 at 10:46 AM (#4439476)
I don't know the game score formula (reference, please)

Start with 50 points. Add 1 point for each out recorded, (or 3 points per inning). Add 2 points for each inning completed after the 4th. Add 1 point for each strikeout. Subtract 2 points for each hit allowed. Subtract 4 points for each earned run allowed. Subtract 2 points for each unearned run allowed. Subtract 1 point for each walk.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/about/pi_glossary.shtml
   13. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: May 10, 2013 at 10:47 AM (#4439479)
The Mets have had a lot of memorable pitching performances (if you're a Mets fan). This Dave Mlicki shutout of the Yankees in the first interleague game between the two teams was an electrifying performance, although just a 77 game score. He really had the curve going that night.

Game Score doesn't take into account strength of opponent, but if it did I don't think Harvey would be helped - the White Sox are currently next-to-last in the AL in R/G (although despite having Adam Dunn, they don't rank as high on the strikeout list as I would have expected).

Cone striking out 19 guys in 1991 was extremely impressive, although that Phillies lineup wasn't exactly Murderers Row (and it was the last day of the season so they weren't starting Kruk or Daulton).
   14. thetailor Posted: May 10, 2013 at 11:05 AM (#4439500)
Yeah, I was thinking the same re: Cone.

It hurt to put Santana's no-no so low on the list, but he really skated through, got lucky, and walked a bunch of guys without striking out too many. I think Leiter's game in 1999 is incredibly underrated -- hell, I think Leiter is underrated in general.

You know what's amazing about Harvey right now? Harvey has a 1.28 ERA and 0.68 WHIP right now in 49.1 (say 50) innings. If he comes back to earth and is merely average the rest of the way -- say, pitching to a 3.50 ERA and 1.20 WHIP over the last 150 innings -- his final stats would still be amazing: 2.94 ERA and 1.07 WHIP

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