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Sunday, June 14, 2009

The Real McCoy: Baker, Phillips disagree on 3-and-0 swing

Remember the thrill you got finding that issue of Striparama Magazine with the tasty Cup-Cake Cassidy spread in it? This might be better.

JUST WHEN YOU think you’ve seen it all, something head-shaking happens. In the fifth inning Saturday of the Reds 7-4 loss, KC pitcher Kyle Davies walked two. Brandon Phillips was up and had a 3-and-0 count. Take one pitch? Take two pitches? Naw, he swung away and flied to right. Un-beeeeee-leeeee-vable. And at the time Davies had thrown 93 pitches in 5 2/3 innings.

Was he given the hit-away sign. Was he given the take sign. He was given the take sign and ignored it. Didn’t even look for the sign.

Manager Dusty Baker was not happy and said Phillips missed the take sign, but Phillips said, “Why shouldn’t swing in that situation? To tell you the truth, I didn’t even look for a sign.

“Honestly, in that situation, why wouldn’t I swing at a 3-and-0, that’s just my opinion. We only had two hits at the time and our offense stinks right now. I respect my teammates and they see what’s going on. We haven’t faced anybody that overmatched us. If we’re facing No. 1 pitchers, but we’re not and our team is too damn good to be making outs against the pitchers we face. We should be undefeated on this trip.”

Baker disagrees about Phillips swinging at the 3-0.

“That was the big play and Brandon was supposed to be taking,” he said. “That could have been the ball game. We had the pitcher on the ropes, he had just walked two and thrown nine balls, then threw three more balls and we gave Brandon the take. Said he didn’t see it. In that situation, you have to know to take that pitch even if you didn’t see the sign.”

Phillips disagrees with that, too.

“We were struggling getting men on base and we’re not hitting with runners in scoring position,” Phillips said. “I had the opportunity, I swung at 3-0. I was trying to make something happen and it didn’t happen. If I would have come through it would have been the best play of the year. For future reference, I will not do it again. I apologized to everybody.”

Repoz Posted: June 14, 2009 at 04:09 AM | 15 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Vaux, A.B.D. Posted: June 14, 2009 at 04:29 AM (#3218683)
Dusty Baker thought a guy shouldn't have swung at a pitch?

Now I have seen it all.
   2. FBI Regional Bureau Chief GORDON COLE!!! Posted: June 14, 2009 at 04:35 AM (#3218688)
I was gonna say--Dusty Baker comments that are spot on. Amazing.
   3. Dave Spiwak Posted: June 14, 2009 at 04:39 AM (#3218691)
Was he given the hit-away sign. Was he given the take sign. He was given the take sign and ignored it. Didn’t even look for the sign.

Manager Dusty Baker was not happy and said Phillips missed the take sign, but Phillips said, “Why shouldn’t swing in that situation? To tell you the truth, I didn’t even look for a sign.


I guess "The Real McCoy" is technically a blog post, but would it kill them to have an intern scan this old dude's copy before it goes live?
   4. Best Regards, Larry M. Posted: June 14, 2009 at 04:43 AM (#3218694)
The best part is that he probably swung at ball four. Forget the situation, he never should have swung at the pitch.
   5. Steve Treder Posted: June 14, 2009 at 04:53 AM (#3218697)
The best part is that he probably swung at ball four. Forget the situation, he never should have swung at the pitch.

Yeah, the entire point of a 3-0 green light (whether you get it from the manager or give it to yourself) is that you don't HAVE to swing, indeed you have the luxury of swinging only if the pitch is just exactly in your wheelhouse.
   6. Tripon Posted: June 14, 2009 at 05:51 AM (#3218705)
“We were struggling getting men on base and we’re not hitting with runners in scoring position,” Phillips said. “I had the opportunity, I swung at 3-0. I was trying to make something happen and it didn’t happen. If I would have come through it would have been the best play of the year.


But you didn't.
   7. Best Regards, Larry M. Posted: June 14, 2009 at 06:07 AM (#3218707)
If Phillips had hit a home run there it would have given the Reds the lead. It's shameful that he didn't swing at every pitch. You can't hit a home run without swinging.
   8. hokieneer Posted: June 14, 2009 at 07:34 AM (#3218717)
Enough can't be said about Baker batting Willy Taveras and Alex Gonzalez 1 and 2 in this series. That was probably the first time Brandon saw 2 runners on base in weeks and got overly excited. Don't take that as an apology for Phillips, just a comment.


I thought the Reds would last till Mid-to-late July before they collapsed. Is it time for the 2010 season yet?
   9. MM1f Posted: June 14, 2009 at 09:04 AM (#3218721)
As crazy as it is to hear Baker saying "Take more pitches!" I actually don't disagree with Phillips here.
He represented the go-ahead run in the situation and with Votto out Phillips is the only bat in the lineup.
The Reds were hitting Laynce Nix clean up. Yeah, LAYNCE. NIX. CLEANUP.

Phillips is your big bat. I don't see what him walking would have accomplished. With 2 walks already issued and a 3-0 count the odds of him getting a fat fastball down the middle were huge.

Granted, I didn't see the game, so maybe he swung at something terrible and he should be blasted, but if I need runs driven in would I rather see bases loaded for Laynce Nix or 2 on and a 3-0 count for Brandon Phillips?
Phillips everytime.
   10. dcsmyth1 Posted: June 14, 2009 at 10:18 AM (#3218723)
AFAIK, the pitcher is MORE likely to throw a strike in this situation. So there's nothing wrong with Phillips being prepared to swing (given a green light, of course). The only question is whether it was a fat fastball or not. Based on the result and his unimpressive comments, I have doubts that it was. And, of course, it's really a moot point since the take sign was on (rightly or wrongly).
   11. baudib Posted: June 14, 2009 at 10:29 AM (#3218724)
Phillips is drawing more walks this year.
   12. Repoz Posted: June 14, 2009 at 11:18 AM (#3218727)
The Reds were hitting Laynce Nix clean up. Yeah, LAYNCE. NIX. CLEANUP.

They moved Dunn down in the...oh.
   13. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: June 14, 2009 at 08:16 PM (#3219242)
"Brandon don't play that game, Brandon hacks on 3-0" said Chuckie Carr.
   14. wjones Posted: June 15, 2009 at 06:02 PM (#3220056)
Brandon Phillips doesn't believe in that "get on base crap".
   15. Rusty Priske Posted: June 15, 2009 at 06:22 PM (#3220093)
I believe there are too many automatic takes on 3-0.

Having said that... he just walked two? Threw 9 balls in a row?


Yeah, you should be watching that next one. To even CONSIDER swinging it had better be a meatball right down the middle.

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