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Wednesday, April 23, 2014

The rise and fall of Ike Davis’ New York Mets | Capital New York

I like Ike. I’ve been sitting on him for a few years in various fantasy leagues. At this point, I’m just happy he’s out of New York, so I can finally find out if my belief in him is misguided or not.

Jim Furtado Posted: April 23, 2014 at 08:22 AM | 27 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: April 23, 2014 at 09:19 AM (#4691760)
anyone clever enough to generate gifs on davis from a few years back and now?

because his approach seems different
   2. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: April 23, 2014 at 09:23 AM (#4691765)
more specifically, he looks really tentative these days. almost poking at the ball at times

maybe I am loopy
   3. Johnny Sycophant-Laden Fora Posted: April 23, 2014 at 09:49 AM (#4691782)
since coming back from his AAA sojourn last summer he's walked at a much higher rate than before, 45 BBs in 218 plate appearances
   4. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: April 23, 2014 at 09:57 AM (#4691795)
johnny

well, lyle overbay walks a fair bit too. at some point you need to hit the d8mn ball
   5. sinicalypse Posted: April 23, 2014 at 09:59 AM (#4691797)
i'm still convinced that back in.... 2011 was it? when ike got that bruise on the arch of his foot in mid-may and ended up missing the rest of the season that either A) there was some kind of !!!! dimepiece of a lifeguard at the florida pool he was rehabbing in and he decided to have a proper summer romance of the likes that are usually written about in romance novels or B) he was truly an asset to not just the mets but his country by doing black ops for the CIA.

i like to think it's B, and that's why i'm a firm supporter of the #IkeDavisForPresident movement whenever it's apropos. when ike davis is in a groove baseball is perhaps the least important of his many talents where he can maximize his effectiveness/assetness to his team and country.
   6. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: April 23, 2014 at 10:09 AM (#4691811)
Or it's A), and then in 2012 his "Valley Fever" meant he fell in love with one of those Valley girls.
   7. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: April 23, 2014 at 10:15 AM (#4691813)
crispix

ah, the valley fever. right. but one would think he had his strength back by now

I don't know how he generates any leverage in his swing when he's poking at the ball like an 8 year old little leaguer
   8. formerly dp Posted: April 23, 2014 at 10:17 AM (#4691819)
well, lyle overbay walks a fair bit too. at some point you need to hit the d8mn ball
A few of the guys I work with are Pirates fans, and they seem strangely unexcited, from my twisted perspective as a Davis believer) about getting Davis. Is there something called "Travis Snider Syndrome"?

1 walk in 18 PAs with the Bucs, compared to 6 in 30 with the Mtes. SSS or did they work with him on changing his approach?
   9. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: April 23, 2014 at 10:25 AM (#4691829)
A few of the guys I work with are Pirates fans, and they seem strangely unexcited, from my twisted perspective as a Davis believer) about getting Davis. Is there something called "Travis Snider Syndrome"?

If by Travis Snider Syndrome you mean an irrational love for Travis Snider, I would doubt it.

But maybe it it refers to a feeling of jadedness after their experience with bringing in other non-powerful veterans at power positions, including Snider, Morneau, Gaby Sanchez, Travis Ishikawa, Casey McGehee, the aforementioned Lyle Overbay...
   10. formerly dp Posted: April 23, 2014 at 10:43 AM (#4691859)
The latter, not the former...
   11. thetailor Posted: April 23, 2014 at 10:52 AM (#4691872)
Megdal is nothing if not consistent. Every article, even the ones purely about baseball, are about the Wilpons. I'm not saying he's wrong (they are the WORST) but he's consistent.
   12. Captain Supporter Posted: April 23, 2014 at 11:12 AM (#4691906)
The Mets have the worst fans in baseball. They actually started booing Curtis Granderson, who is as much of a gentleman as you will ever find in baseball in his second game after only six at bats. Hard to believe but absolutely true.

Also their hatred of the Wilpons has become beyond irrational. After firing Omar Minaya and turning the team over to Sandy Alderson, they have allowed him to rebuild the farm system and develop their young pitching. They have been smart enough not to mettle in any way and, as a result, there is potentially a lot of hope for the future despite the Matt Harvey setback. The Wilpons are actually acting in an intelligent and measured fashion and their reward from the "fanbase" is nothing but abuse.

   13. HowardMegdal Posted: April 23, 2014 at 11:30 AM (#4691939)
11. Articles about the first transatlantic flight tend to focus on Charles Lindbergh. Articles about the Bubonic Plague tend to focus on the disease. The central character is the central character. And frankly, I don't think this is a Mets thing. Ownership largely drives most of the stories we ultimately see play out in franchises all over MLB. Arguably, more than other sports, due to lack of salary cap.

   14. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 23, 2014 at 11:35 AM (#4691949)
The Mets have the worst fans in baseball. They actually started booing Curtis Granderson, who is as much of a gentleman as you will ever find in baseball in his second game after only six at bats. Hard to believe but absolutely true.

I've been to a Yankees game when Saint Jeter was booed because he started the season in a slump. New York is a tough crowd.
   15. thetailor Posted: April 23, 2014 at 11:58 AM (#4691982)
They actually started booing Curtis Granderson, who is as much of a gentleman as you will ever find in baseball in his second game after only six at bats. Hard to believe but absolutely true.

I think you misspelled EIGHTY at bats.
   16. formerly dp Posted: April 23, 2014 at 12:04 PM (#4691991)
The Mets have the worst fans in baseball. They actually started booing Curtis Granderson, who is as much of a gentleman as you will ever find in baseball in his second game after only six at bats. Hard to believe but absolutely true.
Just by my count, Granderson has made at least 3 throws toward homeplate that where nowhere near on target. One cost the Mets a run when it went into the dugout (Sunday?). Has this been a problem for him in the past? I assumed that even if he ended up only mediocre with the bat, he'd at least be a slight asset in RF for the first couple of years of the contract. But his throwing has been disastrously poor so far.
   17. Greg Pope thinks the Cubs are reeking havoc Posted: April 23, 2014 at 12:33 PM (#4692048)
Any Mets fans want to go (or are going and have an extra ticket) to the May 14th Yankees game? I'm going to be in New York by myself and I haven't been to the new stadium yet.
   18. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: April 23, 2014 at 12:48 PM (#4692069)
The Mets have the worst fans in baseball. They actually started booing Curtis Granderson, who is as much of a gentleman as you will ever find in baseball in his second game after only six at bats. Hard to believe but absolutely true.

Curtis Granderson is looking too much like Jason Bay for my taste. This is one of those moves that you know the worst case scenario is exactly what we can expect from him.
   19. formerly dp Posted: April 23, 2014 at 01:05 PM (#4692102)
Without looking it up, I'd have to say Granderson's first 20 games are significantly worse than Bay's were.
   20. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: April 23, 2014 at 03:50 PM (#4692305)
A few of the guys I work with are Pirates fans, and they seem strangely unexcited, from my twisted perspective as a Davis believer) about getting Davis.


From my Pirates-fan perspective, he doesn't seem like that great a player. I sure hope your perception of him is closer to the truth than mine, though.
   21. formerly dp Posted: April 23, 2014 at 03:54 PM (#4692312)
From my Pirates-fan perspective, he doesn't seem like that great a player. I sure hope your perception of him is closer to the truth than mine, though.
One guy was literally like "we got who?" and I was aghast that a BTF celebrity of such stature would be unknown to an otherwise-serious baseball fan.
   22. Johnny Sycophant-Laden Fora Posted: April 23, 2014 at 04:04 PM (#4692328)
From my Pirates-fan perspective, he doesn't seem like that great a player.


overall he's been pretty decent, in kind of the same way that when one foot is in a bucket of ice and the other is in the fireplace your overall temperature is ok.
   23. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: April 23, 2014 at 04:13 PM (#4692338)
overall he's been pretty decent, in kind of the same way that when one foot is in a bucket of ice and the other is in the fireplace your overall temperature is ok.


Yeah, he kind of comes across as a poor man's Adam LaRoche.
   24. billyshears Posted: April 23, 2014 at 04:44 PM (#4692391)
I was unmoved by Ike's good second half in 2013. It seemed like he was walking a lot because he knew that he couldn't hit. This is not completely borne out by the numbers.
   25. formerly dp Posted: April 23, 2014 at 05:03 PM (#4692428)
I was unmoved by Ike's good second half in 2013. It seemed like he was walking a lot because he knew that he couldn't hit. This is not completely borne out by the numbers.
I had the same impression until I actually looked at what he did. He hit well at Vegas, too. I thought we were in for at least another half-season trial.
   26. Walt Davis Posted: April 23, 2014 at 06:43 PM (#4692591)
Morneau,

Off to a 347/372/597 start by the way. Coors-fueled or not, it would be nice to see him return to form ... although I see his last two years were better than I thought.

As to Davis, I see no reason he can't continue to be a league-average-ish 1B, at least in a platoon. Pirates fans must be used to this by now -- Sanchez, Jones, LaRoche. Picking up a player like that for little/nothing in April is a very good find although I'm not sure that Sanchez/Davis will be that much more effective than just Sanchez. In that sense I feel a bit sorry for Davis and Sanchez -- this is not as bad as competing for playing time with Duda because both were LHB -- but both are probably "starting quality" players.

As to the Mets -- complete screw-up. Basically any decision like this you make in April is clearly a decision you should have made in the offseason. If a few weeks of spring training and regular season is enough to affect a major roster decision, it was obviously a decision you had no faith in to begin with. Given Duda and Davis were both LHB, it was obvious to everybody they had no business being on the same team and the Mets should have moved one of them. Unless there's a team in panic due to a new injury, there's no way you get more in April than you would have gotten in Dec.
   27. bobm Posted: April 23, 2014 at 06:48 PM (#4692598)
[19]

                                                                                                                     
Player                    Split  G Year GS PA AB  R  H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO   BA  OBP  SLG  OPS BAbip tOPS+ sOPS+
Jason Bay           April/March 23 2010 22 98 83 15 22  5  3  1   8  1  0 13 27 .265 .378 .434 .811  .382   117   121
Curtis Granderson   April/March 19 2014 18 80 69  5  8  4  0  1   5  2  0  9 24 .116 .225 .217 .442  .156   100    27


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