I know that a lot of you guys don’t give a rat’s tail about other sports, but I like to tell youse what I’m up to. Today is a big day in another sport. The Baseball Hall of Fame announces its Class of ‘12. I’m a voter.
This might be the last year I vote because of the steroid/PED issue. I might change my mind over the years, but right now, I don’t think any juicer should be in the Hall of Fame. And we know who most of those are. But we also know that, starting next year, there are going to be some high-profile known users on the ballot, and also some who have certainly had rumors about drug use connected to their names.
My problem is this. If I decide I’m not going to vote for juicers, and then we (the Baseball Writers Association of America) put in a player who’s never been known to juice, and it turns out later on that he did juice, well, then what do we do? Do we go back and put Barry Bonds, Mark McGwire, Roger Clemens, Sammy Sosa, Alex Rodriguez, Manny Ramirez into the Hall?
I also have a major problem with these guys being allowed in, but Pete Rose not being allowed in. That’s a different story for another day.
So my ballot, on which you can vote for as many as 10 players, went in this year with one name checked: Don Mattingly. I know he’s not going to get in because a lot of voters think his career body of work wasn’t good enough. But when he played, in his prime, he was the best player in baseball. And there are guys in the Hall, and guys on the ballot now, who were never that. Never considered dominant, or among the top two or three players in the game at any point in their career. And I’m pretty sure Donnie Baseball didn’t juice.
So that’s how I voted. Thought you might be interested. I could be wrong.
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1. The District Attorney Posted: January 09, 2012 at 02:03 PM (#4032204)Guess it beats the political cartoonist from Montreal. Sigh.
How dare you criticize him. He's a writer, and only his opinion matters, not yours.
All snark aside, given his reasoning, how he can vote for Mattingly and only Mattingly, and not also for Dale Murphy, makes his ballot even worse (if that is possible). Mattingly had 4 excellent and 2 other pretty good years. Murphy had 3 great (better than Mattingly's best), 3 other excellent (about equal to Don's peak). Neither contributed much outside of those years.
He doesn't want anyone going in the HOF, ever again. Because you never know if somebody you vote for might someday turn out to have, god forbid, used steroids.
This is good. This is the anti-steroid position taken to extreme. Seeing the lunacy exposed is a step in the eventual direction of overcoming it.
He's in the conversation, but Wade Boggs and Cal Ripken have a better claim IMO for that time period. Trammell has at least as good a case. That's just the AL.
Some of those other guys are HOFers.
Sounds like this guy is saying he's just trying to throw away his vote anyway, might as well vote for Charlie Kerfeld or Joe Charboneau or whoever.
Yup, he is wrong.
Rickey > Mattingly, Boggs, or ######## Cal
aaargh.
He could vote for Vinny Castilla then to make his point more clear. There are plenty of people who think Mattingly is deserving.
wrong about how you voted? or wrong about us being interested?
(or all of thee above)
I hate to paint with such a wide brush, because there are BBWAA members who put plenty of thought, time, and careful consideration into their ballots, but clearly here, it's not a matter of the fact this guy came up with what would be objectively the wrong answer.... it's that this dumbass clearly doesn't care enough to do more than come up with column fodder with his ballot.
If so then those voters are simply being difficult, stupid, or both.
Because there are candidates on the ballot beyond reproach.
Yeah, but plenty is only 10% of the voters so far. Mattingly's chance of going in on the 2011 is zero, for all intents and purposes. Same as Castilla. If I thought like this guy did I'd vote for only Tim Salmon.
Right! Plus Hard Hittin' Mark Whitten was the best player in baseball for one day. Same for Mike Cameron. Oooh, and Shawn Green!
But seriously, it's sad to see a real HOF vote so ill considered.
Too bad that day wasn't game 7 of the world series. Or else they'd have as good a case as Jack Morris.
Rick has decades of NHL experience.
Baseball, he mainly has filled in at times on Mets and Yankees games in the summer between Rangers seasons, iirc.
I wonder if he has ever speculated on the potential steroid use by the much bigger athletes that are professional hockey players. I'm just hoping he's consistent with his sanctimony.
I am not completely sold on boiling down all baseball value to WAR. It's just not that cut and dried. Without completely hanging it on WAR it is an argument if Murphy ever had a year that was better than Mattingly's best?
Well, let's see. 1983 Murphy. GG CF with 149 OPS+, 30/34 SB. Leads the league in games, RBI, SLP, OPS. Mattingly 1986 GG 1B with 161 OPS+ 0/0 SB, leads the league in PA, H, 2B, SLP, OPS, OPS+, TB. I'll take the CF, as offensive prowess is much more rare at that position. As an offensive player, Murph is just a hair behind Mattingly. For defensive value, he's comfortably ahead.
Career, sure. For Mattingly's golden four-year period, NFW.
Yes, on the narrow "who has the better 'best' season," Mattingly has a pretty even case.
No one ever had Keith Hernandez's preposterous killer instinct on bunt forceouts, but Mattingly dazzled in many areas of 1B defense. Of course an equally adept CF for his position is far more valuable, but that's a fun overall debate there.
I'd rate Murphy's career ahead of Mattingly's, though. Neither is a Hall of Famer, though both were fun to watch in too-short peaks/primes.
More seriously they pointed out that the NHL players were tested at various events (IIHF or the Olympics) and that only two players have ever failed a test. And one of those was for enhancing hair growth (propecia).
The other positive test was by a one-eyed American. No idea if the significan part of the positive result is that he was an American or that he'd lost an eye, but it didn't invalidate the NHL's position on steroids in either case.
#30: the NHL definitely has a close your eyes and pray nobody does something stupid policy on steroids. There are almost certainly players who are using, I wonder if fan reaction would be NFL or MLB-like if it came out that it was widespread.
I assume you mean 84-87, in which case, yes Rickey was clearly better during that time.
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