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Thursday, June 28, 2007
Transdermalign patches for everybody!...Steve Phillips and Doug Gottlieb riff on Sosa & steroids.
During Phillips’ exchange with Gottlieb (Greenberg sat mutely through the entire conversation), the former Mets’ GM asked Gottlieb whether he would assume that a player who 39 homeruns one year and 61 the next was cheating. Almost before Philips could finish his sentence, Gottlieb said emphatically “yes.” And, demonstrating that baseball isn’t Gottlieb’s long suit, he didn’t realize that Phillips was, as he then informed Gottlieb, referring to Roger Maris, who hit 39 homers in 1960, 61 in 1961 and never hit more than 33 in a season after that. Phillips also noted that George Foster jumped from 29 to 52 in a season (from 1976 to 1977). Gottlieb did respond that Sosa got dramatically better for several seasons, but it would be an absurd standard of judgment to say that if a player improves dramatically in their late twenties and got bigger in the process, that is all we need to go on, to accuse someone of steroid use.
Phillips is not naive and he surely has his own suspicions about who was and who wasn’t using. We all do, however well we can or can’t substantiate those suspicions. But, on every key point Gottlieb made yesterday, he was either flat out wrong on the facts, or was using notably thin arguments. But, unusual for the medium, someone was actually there to call him on it, not with even more shrill hyperbole, but with a superior grasp of the facts and context of the situation.
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1. Esoteric Posted: June 28, 2007 at 09:31 PM (#2421534)DOES. NOT. COMPUTE.
To the absurdly long-lasting enjoyment of Kansas fans, when Gottleib was at Oklahoma State he once wore his game shorts backwards for about five minutes at Allen Fieldhouse.
Now he's part of the Worldwide Leader.
Gottlieb doesn't know baseball. At all.
He's a basketball guy? So who cares what he thinks about baseball?
Something about a blind squirrel and a nut comes to mind.
Both ESPN Radio and Fox Sports Radio do this very frequently. You've got Buster Olney talking NBA draft, Denny Hocking talking NFL, or Jim Mora (the old fart one) talking MLB. Or Rob Dibble talking anything.
Gottlieb is good and well-spoken on college basketball.
I heard the Phillips interview in question and he was very convincing. The 39/61 was a very nice way of illustrating that for many people, any big improvement is shown as proof of cheating, whereas that wasn't the case in the past.
Maybe an hour of that time is intelligently filled, esp. since they've moved Erik Kuselius off the radio. If I counted Bob Valvano in the wee hours of the morning, add time. But most of what hits their airwaves is pure blather.
Almost every person on espn is there because he (or she) can talk continuously while having nothing of importance to say.
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