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The time is coming to resolve the Mets’ exhausting Noah Syndergaard situation | SNY

Can they get fair value in return? Of course, what is his fair value right now?

Jim Furtado Posted: September 12, 2019 at 06:41 AM | 22 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Walt Davis Posted: September 12, 2019 at 08:43 PM (#5878820)
Exhausting to whom?
   2. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: September 13, 2019 at 07:16 AM (#5878856)

The Mets are a good team who would be in a playoff position with a half-decent bullpen. They should hold onto Thor and try to make a run next year, unless they just get an offer too good to refuse.
   3. Davo Posted: September 13, 2019 at 08:46 AM (#5878860)
They’re 2 games out of a playoff spot!
   4. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: September 13, 2019 at 09:01 AM (#5878864)
I will say this about the Mets: If someone had told me that they would essentially not have any starting pitcher injuries, McNeil and Alonso play like superstars, and have Rosario play reasonably well, I would have said that the Mets should make the playoffs. They have been lucky in some ways, and been unlucky in other ways.
   5. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 13, 2019 at 09:01 AM (#5878865)
The Mets are a good team who would be in a playoff position with a half-decent bullpen. They should hold onto Thor and try to make a run next year, unless they just get an offer too good to refuse.

Pretty much, yeah. If you can trade Syndergaard and make your team better, like adding a good CF, then trade him. If not, keep him.

   6. . Posted: September 13, 2019 at 09:12 AM (#5878867)
As some of us said at the time, it was comical that a "teardown" was even in the discussion for the Mets.
   7. Bote Man Posted: September 13, 2019 at 09:15 AM (#5878868)
unless they just get an offer too good to refuse.

It aint 2015 any more, pal!
   8. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: September 13, 2019 at 09:37 AM (#5878874)


As some of us said at the time, it was comical that a "teardown" was even in the discussion for the Mets.


I don't think it ever really was, although maybe you can find a few quotes from sportswriters suggesting it.

I do remember that BVW was mocked during the offseason for saying that he thought the Mets had the best lineup in the NL East or something to that effect. They do have the best OPS+ in the division, second best in the league, although the Braves and Nats are also pretty solid lineups.
   9. PreservedFish Posted: September 13, 2019 at 09:45 AM (#5878875)
I'm exhausted by media harping on such non-controversies.
   10. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: September 13, 2019 at 10:48 AM (#5878901)
It's not the worry at the moment but the Mets are going to need to figure out their lineup next year. If you assume Conforto and Cespedes are in the corners, what do you do with Nimmo, Davis, and McNeil? What are they going to do with Lowrie? What about Dominic Smith?

Can/Should Rosario be converted to CF? His numbers look better recently at SS.
   11. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 13, 2019 at 11:14 AM (#5878904)
Can/Should Rosario be converted to CF? His numbers look better recently at SS.

Why would you do that? He's fielding much better (UZR has him at average for the season now, DRS is still poor), and his bat plays better at SS. You'd just be opening one hole to maybe fill another.

It's not the worry at the moment but the Mets are going to need to figure out their lineup next year. If you assume Conforto and Cespedes are in the corners, what do you do with Nimmo, Davis, and McNeil? What are they going to do with Lowrie? What about Dominic Smith?


I'd assume Cespedes never plays again. Conforto and Nimmo have the corners. McNeil plays 3B. Cano platoons with Lowrie at 2B, and Lowrie backs up the rest of the IF. Davis is your 4th OF. Smith is trade bait.

Go out and get a CF.
   12. Dog on the sidewalk has an ugly bracelet Posted: September 13, 2019 at 11:18 AM (#5878905)
Who plays SS if they move Rosario? I think it would create a hole in one space while adding to the logjam at another. Unless they have reason to think he'd be an elite defender in the outfield, I wouldn't really consider it.

Even with a .208 average, Nimmo's an OBP machine, and he's not a complete disaster in CF. I'm not opposed to them going out and getting a real CF, but I think the plan for now should be for him to lead off and play center almost every day.

Then, you have McNeil bounce around the field like he's done this year, and Cano/Davis/Lowrie share the remaining infield ABs based on matchups/hot streaks/whatever. Injuries will usually help sort these things out, and it's even more likely when the roster includes as many old and/or brittle players as this one. Planning on anything close to 600 PAs from Cespedes and Lowrie seems unreasonable.

I think everyone who deserves PAs will likely have sufficient playing time. Except poor Dom Smith, who I don't see getting much of an opportunity unless Alonso goes down.
   13. Dog on the sidewalk has an ugly bracelet Posted: September 13, 2019 at 11:39 AM (#5878910)
Also, fire Callaway. Still not over him intentionally walking Andrew Knapp to load the bases for Bryce Harper. Just inexplicable.
   14. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 13, 2019 at 11:46 AM (#5878911)
Still not over him intentionally walking Andrew Knapp to load the bases for Bryce Harper. Just inexplicable.

Wait what? I missed that. Why would you ever intentionally walk Andrew Knapp in any situation?
   15. Dog on the sidewalk has an ugly bracelet Posted: September 13, 2019 at 11:52 AM (#5878914)
Because you're Mickey Callaway and you're completely clueless. His stated rationale for it was hilarious. Something about wanting to induce them to PH Harper, in order to get the reliever with a 5 ERA and 4.5 K/9 out of the game. Just nonsense on every level.
   16. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 13, 2019 at 11:58 AM (#5878919)
Because you're Mickey Callaway and you're completely clueless. His stated rationale for it was hilariously. Something about wanting to induce them to PH Harper, in order to get the reliever with a 5 ERA and 4.5 K/9 out of the game. Just nonsense on every level.

You should always want to face a hitter with a 33% chance of K-ing and no power, unless I'm on deck for some inexplicable reason.
   17. Swoboda is freedom Posted: September 13, 2019 at 12:04 PM (#5878921)
Also, fire Callaway. Still not over him intentionally walking Andrew Knapp to load the bases for Bryce Harper. Just inexplicable.


He also has bunted with a runner on second several times (and not with the pitcher batting). Just crazy.
   18. Swoboda is freedom Posted: September 13, 2019 at 12:06 PM (#5878923)
I think what Snapper said is right. They need a CF. The other moves are good. See if you could move Cano, but doubtful. They have too many corner outfielders. Davis need to be on an AL team.
   19. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 13, 2019 at 12:07 PM (#5878924)
He also has bunted with a runner on second several times (and not with the pitcher batting). Just crazy.

That could be excusable very late in a tied game with a weak hitter up, and none out.

Otherwise, you never do that.
   20. Swoboda is freedom Posted: September 13, 2019 at 01:08 PM (#5878941)
It was a tied game last time, but in the 7th inning.
   21. Lassus Posted: September 13, 2019 at 05:07 PM (#5879013)
I'm not convinced on the firing of Callaway yet. Even with that thing the other night. This, however:
I'd assume Cespedes never plays again.
Seems likely. And if he somehow comes back, is he really going to be any good?

   22. Bote Man Posted: September 13, 2019 at 10:59 PM (#5879073)
Anthony DiComo @AnthonyDiComo
Noah Syndergaard said he felt like he was "meshing and flowing" with Wilson Ramos tonight. Syndergaard expressed some remorse at the situation escalating this week, but says he didn't -- and didn't feel a need to -- apologize to Ramos.

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