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Saturday, December 07, 2013

The Yankees Genius Strategy For Success: Get As Old As Possible

Olden the way.

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A day after letting Robinson Cano walk (to a team he was clearly using for leverage and DID NOT want to go to), the New York Yankees signed former Met/WWII paratrooper Carlos Beltran. He’s 36. And now he has a three-year deal worth $45 million. You can’t make this stuff up. Last year they were the oldest team in baseball by a full year (31). It’s like they’re trying to build a high end convalescent home on River Ave.

Some of you might say this is a transitional period for the Yankees, who are waiting for 2014 when some of those older contracts dry up. Why? To make a move for LeBron James? There’s simply no reason a professional sports team, at any point and for any reason, should look like the 11 AM shuffleboard league at Shady Oaks retirement community. Here’s a list of some of the dinosaurs that roam the Bronx:

Derek Jeter, Ichiro (40)
A-Rod, Soriano, Hiroki Kuroda (38)
Beltran (36)
Wells (35)
Mark Teixeira (34)
CC Sabathia (33)

...What’s more, Ellsbury was just signed to a $153 million contract over a seven year period, meaning this team is planning to have old people on it for the foreseeable future. Why? Does wisdom score runs? Do adult diapers win games? Does shaming your relatives into coming to visit you have a good on base percentage?

Until the Yankees get serious about signing the right YOUNG players, they’ll never see a World Series again.

Repoz Posted: December 07, 2013 at 12:54 PM | 36 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. TRBMB Posted: December 07, 2013 at 01:18 PM (#4613016)
Yes, Brian Cashman has no capability relative to player drafting and development, his track record is out there and is a serious problem.

But it's not clear to me what 'young' players are out there right now as an alternative to Beltran and the like. The Yankee challenge right now is to again be post season bound, unfortunately Ownership is not willing, for revenue reasons, to await Cashman suddenly becoming player development proficient. Thus, they take risk with the best available on the free agent market, that against the $189M 'cap', which is certainly a valid approach.

Right approach here might be to pull the Cashman plug, given this is his last year on contract, we'll see. We can only hope.

Not clear that Cano didn't want to go to Seattle, based on what does he say that? Appears more that he didn't wish to remain in New York.
   2. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: December 07, 2013 at 01:23 PM (#4613020)
Was that in English?
   3. Eddie Gaedel Posted: December 07, 2013 at 01:51 PM (#4613038)
The point isn't to sign younger free agents (as a rule, it's relatively rare to find one younger than 30), it's to not give up your first three draft picks in order to sign aging free agents that aren't game-changers. Yes, the Yanks will get two supp picks for Cano and Granderson, but they could've had 5 of the first 80 picks... now they'll have 2 in the first 100.

This roster ain't getting younger anytime soon.
   4. Misirlou is on hiding to nowhere Posted: December 07, 2013 at 02:14 PM (#4613054)
Until the Yankees get serious about signing the right YOUNG players,


Yeah, what were they thinking not going after Trout, Harper, and Jose Fernandez? They could have at least signed David Price or Wil Myers away from Tampa. Idiots!
   5. Mickey Henry Mays Posted: December 07, 2013 at 02:50 PM (#4613073)
Maybe the Yankees are using as a blueprint the 1983 Wheeze-kids.
   6. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: December 07, 2013 at 03:06 PM (#4613079)
It would be kind of cool if the Yankees were pulling a Delta Airlines. For reference, airplanes are more desirable when young; significantly lower operating costs b/c of lower fuel and maintenance costs; more desirable to passengers, etc. Delta realized that while this was true, other airlines were actually UNDERvaluing old airplanes. So they basically went out and bought (or acquired in the NWA acquisition) a bunch of old planes that no one else wanted and just fly the #### out of them.


Thats why you can still fly a DC-9 on Delta. The strategy, FWIW, has proved wildly profitable, insofar as legacy airlines can ever be wildly profitable.
   7. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: December 07, 2013 at 03:25 PM (#4613096)
The point isn't to sign younger free agents (as a rule, it's relatively rare to find one younger than 30), it's to not give up your first three draft picks in order to sign aging free agents that aren't game-changers. Yes, the Yanks will get two supp picks for Cano and Granderson, but they could've had 5 of the first 80 picks... now they'll have 2 in the first 100.


Actually they won't get any comp picks. They lost their 1st rounder for McCann and the 2 comps picks they would have received for Cano and Granderson when they signed Ellsbury and Beltran. Of course considering Cashman's (and the rest of the FO's) ability to draft and develop ML players, it probably won't make a difference.
   8. tfbg9 Posted: December 07, 2013 at 03:32 PM (#4613101)
Yeah, uh, remind me to never fly Delta.
   9. Yastrzemski in left. Posted: December 07, 2013 at 03:37 PM (#4613104)
But haven't you heard? 40 is the new 30 in this post steroid era.
   10. cardsfanboy Posted: December 07, 2013 at 03:45 PM (#4613109)
Actually they won't get any comp picks. They lost their 1st rounder for McCann and the 2 comps picks they would have received for Cano and Granderson when they signed Ellsbury and Beltran. Of course considering Cashman's (and the rest of the FO's) ability to draft and develop ML players, it probably won't make a difference.


Isn't that pretty much what the quoted part was saying?

If the Yankees didn't sign these guys they would have had 5 picks in the first 80 (their first round pick, their second round pick, along with three comp picks) and instead they gave up those three comp picks, and their first round pick and now get 2 picks in the first hundred (their second and third round picks)

Edit: I guess not, the quoted mentioned supplemental picks, but then posted the 5 for 80... some disconnect there.
   11. Nasty Nate Posted: December 07, 2013 at 03:47 PM (#4613110)
It would be kind of cool if the Yankees were pulling a Delta Airlines. For reference, airplanes are more desirable when young; significantly lower operating costs b/c of lower fuel and maintenance costs; more desirable to passengers, etc. Delta realized that while this was true, other airlines were actually UNDERvaluing old airplanes. So they basically went out and bought (or acquired in the NWA acquisition) a bunch of old planes that no one else wanted and just fly the #### out of them.


This narrative seems to fit better with Beltran's last deal with the Cardinals.
   12. JE (Jason Epstein) Posted: December 07, 2013 at 04:09 PM (#4613118)
But haven't you heard? 40 is the new 30 in this post steroid era.

Are you referring to baseball players or commercial aircraft?
   13. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: December 07, 2013 at 04:13 PM (#4613121)
Delta mentions without a single reference to Francoeur?

It's like I don't even know this place anymore.

*sob*
   14. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: December 07, 2013 at 04:29 PM (#4613128)
Yeah, uh, remind me to never fly Delta.


Not much evidence that the old planes, properly maintained, are more dangerous than new planes. I'd fly one of those old DC-9s any time; they're built like tanks.
   15. tfbg9 Posted: December 07, 2013 at 04:36 PM (#4613133)
It was a joke. But the "properly maintained" bit, there's the rub. All it takes is one leaky fuel line or whatever.
   16. JRVJ Posted: December 07, 2013 at 04:55 PM (#4613141)
I find this article AND some of the comments to be ideologically pure, but real world foolish.

Lindebergh and Miller recently discussed on Effectively Wild how the Yankees LOST approximately $60MM in revenue (plus whatever hit they took on Yes), from not getting into the 2013 playoffs. THAT's the world in which the Yankees operate, and while one may not necessarily agree with some of their decisions (I'm baffled about the Beltran signing), it would be FOOLISH for them to worry about whether they lost out on 3 draft picks in the 2014 draft as opposed to at least $60MM.

As to the Red Sox being this machine which produces talent, they are better than the Yankees, but let's not overstate things: going into 2013, they weren't looking all that hot.
   17. Misirlou is on hiding to nowhere Posted: December 07, 2013 at 05:02 PM (#4613145)
Thats why you can still fly a DC-9 on Delta.


American still has about 200 of them.
   18. Ray (RDP) Posted: December 07, 2013 at 05:06 PM (#4613148)
Yeah, uh, remind me to never fly Delta.


Do Delta planes drop out of the sky more often than planes of other Airlines? If so, I haven't noticed that.

Delta doesn't want to deal with the fallout from airline tragedies either, whether from a personal, legal, or PR point of view.
   19. Misirlou is on hiding to nowhere Posted: December 07, 2013 at 05:08 PM (#4613149)
Yeah, uh, remind me to never fly Delta.



Do Delta planes drop out of the sky more often than planes of other Airlines? If so, I haven't noticed that.


It's not so much crashing, it's that as a passenger, flying DC-9s (or MD-80s, the AA version) completely sucks. Cramped, noisy, few amenities...as far as modern air travel goes, it's the pits.
   20. Darren Posted: December 07, 2013 at 05:28 PM (#4613158)
   21. bookbook Posted: December 07, 2013 at 05:43 PM (#4613159)
The airlines are all making buckets of money right now, ever since the US anti-trust division decided to let them buy each other up and
Form nice little oligopolies
   22. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: December 07, 2013 at 06:28 PM (#4613174)
American still has about 200 of them


No, they don't. You're confusing the DC-9 with the MD-80; basically the same plane, but the MD-80 was the next generation.
   23. donlock Posted: December 07, 2013 at 07:32 PM (#4613190)
flying DC-9s (or MD-80s, the AA version) completely sucks. Cramped, noisy, few amenities...as far as modern air travel goes, it's the pits.


We could shorten this to: flying...completely sucks. Cramped, noisy, few amenities... modern air travel is the pits.
   24. ptodd Posted: December 07, 2013 at 07:38 PM (#4613196)
The Yankees actually got younger with Beltran in RF replacing Ichiro.

There main age issue is at SS, there is no way the 40 yo Jeter off a serious ankle injury should be expected to handle that position, not without setting the All Time worst UZR mark for SS. Sign Drew and move Jeter to 3B or DH if need be
   25. Misirlou is on hiding to nowhere Posted: December 07, 2013 at 07:44 PM (#4613199)
Sign Drew and move Jeter to 3B or DH if need be


How many DH's can the Stanks field? 4? 6?
   26. KT's Pot Arb Posted: December 07, 2013 at 07:56 PM (#4613202)
The airlines are all making buckets of money right now, ever since the US anti-trust division decided to let them buy each other up and
Form nice little oligopolies


Yet air travel is as cheap as ever, weird.
   27. cardsfanboy Posted: December 07, 2013 at 08:06 PM (#4613210)
We could shorten this to: flying...completely sucks. Cramped, noisy, few amenities... modern air travel is the pits.


Agreed, except for very short jaunts. I keep hoping that train travel will become fashionable and profitable again. Nothing beats travelling by train. (not talking about those European/Japanese bullet trains, but old fashioned Amtrack, where you have a bar tender, big seats, power outlet etc.)
   28. Curse of the Andino Posted: December 07, 2013 at 08:10 PM (#4613212)
Yet air travel is as cheap as ever, weird.


Yeah, and the thing I've noticed now is that it's a better deal to buy direct from the airlines, as opposed to the Kayaks/Travelocities/Pricelines of the world. For a given trip, Priceline is often higher by a couple bucks, and then you get more miles if you hit the airline's site.
   29. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: December 07, 2013 at 09:49 PM (#4613243)
And also no comments about reclining seats on airliners?

Now I really don't know this place anymore.

*sobs harder*
   30. bigglou115 Posted: December 07, 2013 at 10:56 PM (#4613272)
And also no comments about reclining seats on airliners?


I think everyone was holding their breath and waiting for the magic words to start that one back up. Now that its been mentioned it'll never happen organically.

I just looked that one up, its older than I thought, didn't think I'd been hanging around here that long.
   31. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: December 07, 2013 at 11:18 PM (#4613279)
Nothing beats travelling by train.

Agreed. I've flown to Chicago and Atlanta recently, but would've much preferred the train if the trip weren't 18 hours. If I had an extra day or three to spare for travel, I'd've done it.
   32. Misirlou is on hiding to nowhere Posted: December 07, 2013 at 11:28 PM (#4613280)
We could shorten this to: flying...completely sucks. Cramped, noisy, few amenities... modern air travel is the pits.



Agreed, except for very short jaunts.


I laugh in your general direction. I'll be flying to Buenos Aires on Friday first class on a 777. So long, suckers!
   33. AROM Posted: December 08, 2013 at 01:20 AM (#4613334)
I guess you could reunite Jeter with his 2001-2003 double play partner, then get a bunch of extreme fly ball pitchers so Ellsbury and Gardner can run everything down. Fly balls are a bit scary in that park though.
   34. JE (Jason Epstein) Posted: December 08, 2013 at 01:22 AM (#4613337)
Nothing beats travelling by train. (not talking about those European/Japanese bullet trains, but old fashioned Amtrack, where you have a bar tender, big seats, power outlet etc.)

Bobby Bacala, is that really you? We thought you were dead.

   35. Fancy Pants Handle doesn't need no water Posted: December 08, 2013 at 02:47 AM (#4613374)
Agreed. I've flown to Chicago and Atlanta recently, but would've much preferred the train if the trip weren't 18 hours.

Yeah, other than that minor detail...
   36. Canker Soriano Posted: December 08, 2013 at 02:51 AM (#4613375)
I've flown to Chicago and Atlanta recently, but would've much preferred the train if the trip weren't 18 hours. If I had an extra day or three to spare for travel, I'd've done it.

Speaking as someone who actually took Amtrak across the country (Boston to San Francisco)... it gets old as the days wear on. Aside from Chicago, there's no real opportunity to get off the train aside from maybe stretching your legs for 5 minutes. The seats are nice enough, but try sleeping in one for several nights surrounded by the ambient sounds of your fellow passengers. It was unpleasant enough that I forewent my return trip on the train and flew home to Boston.

I've done Amtrak sleeping compartments before (Chicago to New York) - it's a nice, albeit expensive and slow, way to travel. If you have the money and the time, I think it's worth doing at least once.

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