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Thursday, December 19, 2013

There will Never be Another Mariano Rivera

Wait, Mariano Rivera retired?

“No Yankee ever had a greater career than Mariano Rivera, not if you measure greatness in terms of performance and contributing to winning and representing the franchise the right way. He’ll forever be one of the Yankees every other is measured against.

Rivera will be a topic of discussion whenever greatness in baseball is discussed, whenever class and humility and dignity are a topic of discussion. On the other hand, we were among the lucky ones. We were the ones that got to see him pitch, to celebrate championships and to laugh and to cry. We’ll appreciate every single moment, because there will never be another one like him.”

Howie Menckel Posted: December 19, 2013 at 06:13 PM | 69 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: December 19, 2013 at 10:02 PM (#4621380)
This fact is not discussed enough. I saw nearly every pitch of his career. At the end of the day, that's one of the great things of being a baseball fan.
   2. TJ Posted: December 19, 2013 at 10:19 PM (#4621393)
“No Yankee ever had a greater career than Mariano Rivera, not if you measure greatness in terms of performance and contributing to winning and representing the franchise the right way.


The ghosts of Lou Gehrig and Joe DiMaggio say "hi"...
   3. Athletic Supporter can feel the slow rot Posted: December 19, 2013 at 10:23 PM (#4621399)
Is the factory that made him shutting down?
   4. puck Posted: December 19, 2013 at 10:28 PM (#4621403)
Have they forgotten Derek Jeter so soon?
   5. The Yankee Clapper Posted: December 19, 2013 at 10:29 PM (#4621405)
Rivera might go a couple of decades before he gives up a hit on Old Timers Day. The legend continues!
   6. frannyzoo Posted: December 19, 2013 at 10:52 PM (#4621414)
Jesus ####### Christ, let's just have the #######
canonization (or whatever it is for Pentecostal types). Rivera has become code for Christian and it's become irritating beyond belief. So to speak.
   7. Mickey Henry Mays Posted: December 19, 2013 at 11:12 PM (#4621425)
Or your looking for monsters under the bed. So to speak.
   8. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: December 19, 2013 at 11:23 PM (#4621429)
Ah #2, beat me to it. This is what I get for going out to lunch and missing an opportunity to shoot some fish stuck in that proverbial barrel.

Ray? RAY! Where are you mate, did you hear that Mariano retired?
   9. AROM Posted: December 20, 2013 at 12:39 AM (#4621451)
"“No Yankee ever had a greater career than Mariano Rivera, not if you measure greatness in terms of performance and contributing to winning and representing the franchise the right way."

Ruth is obviously the best player ever for the Yankees, but phrased as above I go with Yogi.
   10. ptodd Posted: December 20, 2013 at 12:44 AM (#4621453)
Yankees fans will have to be content with living in the past with the gloomy outlook ahead. Having voluntarily disarmed their greatest weapon, money, they will have to contend based on the genius FO staff.
   11. AROM Posted: December 20, 2013 at 12:44 AM (#4621454)
Fun stat:

Mariano Rivera and Billy Wagner each allowed 13 runs to score in the postseason. Mariano did it in 141 innings. It only took Wagner 11.
   12. Misirlou is on hiding to nowhere Posted: December 20, 2013 at 12:48 AM (#4621455)
Fun stat:

Mariano Rivera and Billy Wagner each allowed 13 runs to score in the postseason. Mariano did it in 141 innings. It only took Wagner 11.


Wagner never blew a WS.
   13. Gonfalon B. Posted: December 20, 2013 at 01:25 AM (#4621465)
The ghosts of Lou Gehrig and Joe DiMaggio say "hi"...

Unlike Lou Gehrig, Mr. Mariano Rivera never quit on his teammates.

Nor did he have a sideline as a porn actor. What a fraud; by the looks of things, Joe DiMaggio never even met a clipper.
   14. boteman digs the circuit clout Posted: December 20, 2013 at 01:35 AM (#4621467)
There will Never be Another Mariano Rivera

Dear gawd, I hope not! Just one of these season-long dog shows was enough for one lifetime.
   15. madvillain Posted: December 20, 2013 at 01:42 AM (#4621470)
In another two years, max, there will be no Jeter, perhaps no A-Rod, and certainly no Mo. At this point that Yankees are back in the doldrums. ####, signing Cano at least would have left a little of the curtain yet not pulled, but the "mystique" so many of us millenials grew up with is gone.

Of course those older than us remember the barren years much better and to them it's probably just a return to normalcy.
   16. bjhanke Posted: December 20, 2013 at 04:37 AM (#4621508)
Of course there will never be another Mariano Rivera. And there will certainly never be another Ted Williams. Certainly not some black guy named "Barry." And there will never be a better first baseman than Cap Anson. Just ask anyone from the 1890s. - Brock Hanke
   17. Rafael Bellylard: A failure of the waist. Posted: December 20, 2013 at 05:12 AM (#4621510)
Mr. Justice, you might want to wipe your chin.
   18. Jeltzandini Posted: December 20, 2013 at 06:29 AM (#4621512)
He'll be all around in the dark. He'll be everywhere. Wherever you can look, wherever there's a fight, so hungry people can eat, he'll be there. Wherever there's a cop beatin' up a guy, he'll be there. He'll be in the way guys yell when they're mad. He'll be in the way kids laugh when they're hungry and they know supper's ready, and when the people are eatin' the stuff they raise and livin' in the houses they build, he'll be there, too.
   19. Doris from Rego Park Posted: December 20, 2013 at 08:52 AM (#4621530)
what if you changed your name to mariano junior? the writers could call you mo-ju.
   20. BDC Posted: December 20, 2013 at 09:23 AM (#4621538)
There will be many other nights like this
When we're ahead with just three outs to go
There will be other games to save
By guys named Kyle or Chuck or Dave
But there will never be another Mo


   21. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: December 20, 2013 at 09:41 AM (#4621543)
We don't really know these guys so maybe behind closed doors he is an incredible jackass (Kirby?) but until then I'm fine with this stuff.

And frankly it's nice to read these stories. This time of year we read stories about why certain players do or do not belong in the Hall and they inevitably devolve into sniping, ###### whinefests with people complaining about how Jack Morris was the worst pitcher ever or how incredibly stupid statgeeks are. I would MUCH rather read a story saluting a great player's career and Mariano's career is one to be saluted.

This isn't over the top salutations of Jeff Francouer. This is a legitimately great player who made major contributions to a handful of championship teams.
   22. Bitter Mouse Posted: December 20, 2013 at 09:49 AM (#4621547)
This isn't over the top salutations of Jeff Francouer.


Man I miss those. They were awesome.
   23. Jolly Old St. Nick Still Gags in October Posted: December 20, 2013 at 10:33 AM (#4621560)
There will be many other nights like this
When we're ahead with just three outs to go
There will be other games to save
By guys named Kyle or Chuck or Dave
But there will never be another Mo


Somewhere the late Chet Baker is tipping his trumpet in tribute to that.
   24. zonk Posted: December 20, 2013 at 10:42 AM (#4621567)
Sigh

Just 17 more years of the BBTF Mariano Rivera Newsstand farewell tour to go....
   25. SG Posted: December 20, 2013 at 11:06 AM (#4621583)
I'm so sick of being forced to click on these Mariano Rivera threads.
   26. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: December 20, 2013 at 11:23 AM (#4621595)
I'm so sick of being forced to click on these Mariano Rivera threads.


Hey, if BTF didn't link to every Mariano Rivera tribute by every columnist across the country, how could we adequately snark about everyone else's over-the-top obsession with Rivera?

   27. Greg K Posted: December 20, 2013 at 11:51 AM (#4621620)
On the flip side, we are apparently about to see another Mark Mulder ...or rather the same one, just after a short break.
   28. Pat Rapper's Delight Posted: December 20, 2013 at 11:51 AM (#4621621)
I came here to make the joke BDC made in [20], but he did it far better than I could have. Kudos!
   29. PreservedFish Posted: December 20, 2013 at 11:59 AM (#4621628)
I'm so sick of being forced to click on these Mariano Rivera threads.


Given that 50% of the hot topics sidebar is perpetually devoted to soccer, politics, basketball, video games, frisbee golf and gardening, I do in fact feel like I've been forced to click on threads like this. If you want to participate in baseball commentary on this site you are compelled to click on the Rivera threads, the Jack Morris threads, all the annoying dead horse topics. Hey, maybe there was a threadjack and people started talking about baseball. How am I to know?
   30. Johnny Sycophant-Laden Fora Posted: December 20, 2013 at 12:53 PM (#4621677)
141 Post season innings 0.70 ERA
86 hits, 21 walks, 2 homers allowed


Jack (Clutch God) Morris
92 innings, 3.80 ERA, 83 hits, 32 walks, 9 homers allowed


   31. Morton's Fork Posted: December 20, 2013 at 01:19 PM (#4621706)
And there will certainly never be another Ted Williams.

'Course, if that cryogenics thing works, there may well be the same Ted Williams.
   32. Greg Pope thinks the Cubs are reeking havoc Posted: December 20, 2013 at 01:20 PM (#4621707)
Given that 50% of the hot topics sidebar is perpetually devoted to soccer, politics, basketball, video games, frisbee golf and gardening

Weren't we supposed to get some functionality to remove unwanted threads from the sidebar? Maybe I missed it. Because right now there are 15 topics in the sidebar and 7 of them are specifically labeled as OT (NBA, Steam, Soccer, Politics) or Hall of Merit (Lofton, Ballot, Maddux/Glavine/Thomas). I have no interest in any of those.
   33. Yeaarrgghhhh Posted: December 20, 2013 at 01:25 PM (#4621714)
What if Rivera is the first unanimous selection to the HOF? That will be hilarious/horrifying.
   34. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: December 20, 2013 at 02:03 PM (#4621753)
Rivera is bigger than the HOF; enshrinement therein would insult him.

We need a Hall of Mariano.
   35. zonk Posted: December 20, 2013 at 02:09 PM (#4621758)
We could discuss the Cubs signing Jose Veres....

...but I'm pretty sure just mentioning it beats the topic to death.
   36. The Yankee Clapper Posted: December 20, 2013 at 02:50 PM (#4621800)
We need a Hall of Mariano.

Probably should wait until after Panama renames the Canal in Rivera's honor when the Yankees visit this spring.
   37. villageidiom Posted: December 20, 2013 at 03:17 PM (#4621822)
Probably should wait until after Panama renames the Canal in Rivera's honor
The Mariano Trench?
   38. Morty Causa Posted: December 20, 2013 at 03:37 PM (#4621841)
And there will certainly never be another Ted Williams.

There's always a caveat, but maybe this explains how it simply does not have to be so:

Poets greater than Keats, scientists greater than Newton.
   39. JJ1986 Posted: December 20, 2013 at 03:49 PM (#4621851)
No Yankee ever had a greater career than Derek Jeter, not if you measure greatness in terms of performance and contributing to winning and number of gift baskets handed out.

No Yankee ever had a greater career than Bernie Williams, not if you measure greatness in terms of performance and contributing to winning and playing the guitar.

No Yankee ever had a greater career than Alex Rodriguez, not if you measure greatness in terms of performance and contributing to winning and number of limbs.
   40. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: December 20, 2013 at 04:01 PM (#4621855)
Weren't we supposed to get some functionality to remove unwanted threads from the sidebar? Maybe I missed it. Because right now there are 15 topics in the sidebar and 7 of them are specifically labeled as OT (NBA, Steam, Soccer, Politics) or Hall of Merit (Lofton, Ballot, Maddux/Glavine/Thomas). I have no interest in any of those.
People go off-topic during the off-season. It's what happens.
   41. Gonfalon B. Posted: December 20, 2013 at 05:30 PM (#4621913)
Re: #36/37--
I'm publicly and officially accusing villageidiom of paying Yankee Clapper to post that set-up line.
   42. The Yankee Clapper Posted: December 20, 2013 at 05:56 PM (#4621921)
Re: #36/37 -- I'm publicly and officially accusing villageidiom of paying Yankee Clapper to post that set-up line.

I'm disappointed that anyone would think my BBTF posts could be bought, and that my earlier efforts in this area have already been forgotten:
32. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 02, 2013 at 08:12 PM (#4557746)
You'll be happy to know that the Yankees are in discussions with Panama to arrange a friendly game in Panama at the end of 2014 Spring Training for the purpose of honoring Mo ...

President of Panama: "I am honored to announce that for all eternity our blessed canal will now be known as Mariano's Moat."


   43. villageidiom Posted: December 20, 2013 at 06:03 PM (#4621924)
YC, you've covered our tracks well.
   44. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: December 20, 2013 at 07:01 PM (#4621946)
Jack (Clutch God) Morris
92 innings, 3.80 ERA, 83 hits, 32 walks, 9 homers allowed


One World Series Game 7 multi-inning save.
   45. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: December 20, 2013 at 11:16 PM (#4622014)
whitepages.com shows there are at least 100 Mariano Riveras in the US.
   46. zenbitz Posted: December 21, 2013 at 02:07 AM (#4622047)
"He's the best of us. The best of our best, the best that each of us will ever build or ever love. So pray for this Guardian of our growth and choose him well, for if he be not truly blest, then our designs are surely frivolous and our future but a tragic waste of hope. Bless our best and adore for he doth bear our measure to the Cosmos."
   47. bjhanke Posted: December 21, 2013 at 04:20 AM (#4622060)
As a HoM junkie, I apologize for all the threads we have up right now. However, we did just finish our balloting, so the volume will go down soon. It's always higher in November and December than any other time. We try to keep from swamping the site during the actual baseball season. - Brock Hanke
   48. Greg Pope thinks the Cubs are reeking havoc Posted: December 21, 2013 at 07:05 PM (#4622277)
I get that it's the offseason and there will be more off topic stuff. Also completely understand the HOM stuff.

I'm not asking to get rid of that stuff and I'm not demanding a way to ignore it. I just thought that we were supposed to get a way to ignore threads with certain tags.
   49. Howie Menckel Posted: March 14, 2014 at 01:13 PM (#4671616)

"where are they now" dept

PANAMA CITY (AP) — The New York Yankees are preparing for a pair of exhibition games against the Miami Marlins in the home country of Mariano Rivera, the retired career saves leader.

A fundraising dinner on Friday for Rivera’s foundation and the games Saturday and Sunday at Rod Carew Stadium highlight a weekend that is a tribute to the pitcher, who retired after last season.

Rivera told reporters Thursday night before the Yankees’ split-squad arrived that “I feel like a peacock.”

He said “it was my dream to bring my team and my teammates to enjoy my homeland.” Appropriately, the Yankees players were wearing Panama hats when they got off their plane.

   50. The Yankee Clapper Posted: March 14, 2014 at 01:42 PM (#4671664)
Appropriately, the Yankees players were wearing Panama hats when they got off their plane.

They are also going to visit the Canal. Certainly that must presage the name-change announcement. Mariano's MOat, indeed!
   51. Rants Mulliniks Posted: March 14, 2014 at 02:04 PM (#4671702)
Mr. Justice, you might want to wipe your chin.


I think you meant belly, Mariano wouldn't stoop to that level!
   52. cardsfanboy Posted: March 14, 2014 at 02:11 PM (#4671708)
There will never be another 300 game winner.
There will never be another 100 stolen base in a season guy.
There will never be another 3000 or 4000 hit guy.
There will never be another (put name of player here-Pete Rose, Nolan Ryan, Sandy Koufax, etc).

These things have been said about so many things, that it's hard to remember them all.
These are the only truisms that are probably true.
1. There will never be another Jackie Robinson....no insult to Hideo Nomo(or more accurately Masanori Murakami) or an Australian guy or British guy or Martion.
2. There will never be another Babe Ruth (guy who wins 90+ games as a pitcher and then dominates a decade+ as a hitter)
3. There will never be another 500 game winner....

That is about it(I do not subscribe to the notion that Gehrig's hitting streak is unattainable)


There will absolutely be another Mariano Rivera. Unless the definition of Rivera requires setting the all time saves record, with an ungodly era AND playing for one team in a career....that is probably true....but remove the one team requirement, and absolutely there will be another Rivera.
   53. cardsfanboy Posted: March 14, 2014 at 02:14 PM (#4671711)
Weren't we supposed to get some functionality to remove unwanted threads from the sidebar? Maybe I missed it. Because right now there are 15 topics in the sidebar and 7 of them are specifically labeled as OT (NBA, Steam, Soccer, Politics) or Hall of Merit (Lofton, Ballot, Maddux/Glavine/Thomas). I have no interest in any of those.


Just get comfortable bookmarking sites all the time... you only have four bookmarks showing up, but any bookmark you have from the past will return to the top if you have it marked.
   54. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: March 14, 2014 at 02:15 PM (#4671712)
Unless the definition of Rivera requires setting the all time saves record, with an ungodly era AND playing for one team in a career....that is probably true....but remove the one team requirement, and absolutely there will be another Rivera.


The definition of Mariano Rivera requires being Mariano Rivera. So there already are many Mariano Riveras, and yet there will never be another Mariano Rivera.
   55. tfbg9 Posted: March 14, 2014 at 02:16 PM (#4671715)
Gehrig's hitting streak


?
   56. Voros McCracken of Pinkus Posted: March 14, 2014 at 02:20 PM (#4671720)
Retiring his number is one thing, but retiring his name is going a little too far.
   57. cardsfanboy Posted: March 14, 2014 at 02:27 PM (#4671732)
?


Damnit...I meant Dimaggio...ugh.. I always get those players from the lesser franchises mixed up. :)
   58. Gonfalon B. Posted: March 14, 2014 at 02:36 PM (#4671742)
Screw DiMaggio AND Gehrig. Minka Kelly, Jessica Alba, Adriana Lima, Scarlett Johansson, Jordana Brewster, Rachel Uchitel, Jessica Biel, Mariah Carey, Lara Dutta, Vida Guerra, Joy Enriquez, Vanessa Minnillo... the greatest Yankee hitting streak of all time.
   59. Bitter Mouse Posted: March 14, 2014 at 02:45 PM (#4671751)
the greatest Yankee hitting streak of all time.


So jealous. So very jealous.
   60. SoCalDemon Posted: March 14, 2014 at 02:59 PM (#4671763)
Edit: Nevermind
   61. Jolly Old St. Nick Still Gags in October Posted: March 14, 2014 at 03:07 PM (#4671768)
Screw DiMaggio AND Gehrig. Minka Kelly, Jessica Alba, Adriana Lima, Scarlett Johansson, Jordana Brewster, Rachel Uchitel, Jessica Biel, Mariah Carey, Lara Dutta, Vida Guerra, Joy Enriquez, Vanessa Minnillo... the greatest Yankee hitting streak of all time.

And what makes you imagine that Dimaggio didn't top that?
   62. Swedish Chef Posted: March 14, 2014 at 03:15 PM (#4671777)
1. There will never be another Jackie Robinson....no insult to Hideo Nomo(or more accurately Masanori Murakami) or an Australian guy or British guy or Martion.

The first woman to play in MLB would be a big deal, but that would hardly open any floodgates. The first openly gay player?

I'm looking forward to the first Robotic-American umpire though.
   63. The Yankee Clapper Posted: March 14, 2014 at 03:18 PM (#4671782)
And what makes you imagine that Dimaggio didn't top that?

The All-Time Yankee "Greatest Scorers" are probably:
1. Jeter
2. Ruth
3. Mantle (tie)
3. DiMaggio (tie)

Yogi & Lou Gehrig probably don't make the list, but I may be underrating Bill Dickey. Of course, this is somewhat inexact, at least until WAR is fine-tuned to actually measure everything.
   64. Howie Menckel Posted: March 14, 2014 at 03:26 PM (#4671787)

Joe Pepitone scored a lot back in the day

   65. cardsfanboy Posted: March 14, 2014 at 03:36 PM (#4671795)
The first woman to play in MLB would be a big deal, but that would hardly open any floodgates. The first openly gay player?


Good point...not the gay guy, but the women could be close. The first gay guy is going to be news for a few weeks and then disappear. The first women is going to face a lot of scrutiny...fortunately the press is more open to it, than it was in the past so that should help.
   66. Jolly Old St. Nick Still Gags in October Posted: March 14, 2014 at 04:04 PM (#4671820)
The All-Time Yankee "Greatest Scorers" are probably:
1. Jeter
2. Ruth
3. Mantle (tie)
3. DiMaggio (tie)


Funny how that ranking nicely collates with the amount of media saturation these players got in their day. It wasn't until Bouton's and Cramer's books that the average fan had any concrete idea of the extent of Mantle's and Dimaggio's skirtchasing.
   67. toratoratora Posted: March 14, 2014 at 05:13 PM (#4671877)
Are we talking quantity or quality?
If the former, Ruth has em all smoked.
The man went through an entire St Louis brothel in a night, twice.
Talk about your all time Yankee double play

   68. zenbitz Posted: March 14, 2014 at 05:56 PM (#4671900)
Did he call his money shots?
   69. Gonfalon B. Posted: March 14, 2014 at 06:41 PM (#4671910)
Are we talking quantity or quality?
If the former, Ruth has em all smoked.
The man went through an entire St Louis brothel in a night, twice.


That's why they called him the Sultan of Twat.

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