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Are the Yankees in danger of getting locked into a cycle of mediocrity?

Jim Furtado Posted: March 15, 2014 at 08:34 AM | 13 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. RMc's Yelling Mob of Hackmen Posted: March 15, 2014 at 10:09 AM (#4672042)
Are the Yankees in danger of getting locked into a cycle of mediocrity?

Considering they have hundreds of millions of dollars to spend, I'd say no.
   2. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: March 15, 2014 at 10:45 AM (#4672050)
They do have one infielder coming back in 2015...










(slips out of room quietly)
   3. Yastrzemski in left. Posted: March 15, 2014 at 05:42 PM (#4672189)
@2. I'll believe it when I see it.
   4. Walt Davis Posted: March 15, 2014 at 05:43 PM (#4672190)
Ryan is also signed through 2015.

I find it hard to believe the Yanks are going into the season with this infield and I blame whoever decided signing Beltran to that contract was a good idea -- or at least a good idea in conjunction with Ellsbury and Gardner. Go out and get some real IFs with that money.

I also can't believe Drew is still out there.

The future Yanks are in desperate need of turning up a young Cano or Jeter or Cliff Lee or something.
   5. TVerik, who wonders what the hell is "Ansky" Posted: March 15, 2014 at 09:03 PM (#4672233)
Walt, I'm going to disagree with you about that signing. It is probably the best 37-year old multi-year deal in the world. Yes, the OF looks hopelessly overloaded. But even if he's "only" a DH, he's 100X better than what they had there last year.
   6. Rafael Bellylard: The Grinch of Orlando. Posted: March 16, 2014 at 02:10 AM (#4672273)
Now that Iglesias is out until mid-season, I fully expect a bidding war between the Tigers and Yankees for Stephen Drew.
   7. Fernigal McGunnigle Posted: March 16, 2014 at 08:18 AM (#4672291)
TFA mentions the allegations floating around that the Yankees and White Sox are talking a deal centered around Cervelli for Gordon Beckham. That sort of makes sense -- Beckham is an average defender who can play 2B and 3B and probably fake it at short, and is a former top prospect who might be a "change of scenery" guy. The White Sox have crap behind the plate, and if he can stay healthy (a big if) Cervelli seems more likely to be useful going forward than Tyler Flowers or Josh Phegley.
   8. Walt Davis Posted: March 16, 2014 at 07:23 PM (#4672518)
It is probably the best 37-year old multi-year deal in the world. Yes, the OF looks hopelessly overloaded. But even if he's "only" a DH, he's 100X better than what they had there last year.

But not likely to be very good, especially in years 2 and 3. Beltran's defensive value appears gone -- maybe he'll bounce back but it's unlikely -- and even with no decline the OPS+ barely plays as full-time DH. It's hard to see more than 6 WAR over the 3 years as an upside -- meanwhile gaping holes at 2B, 3B and probably SS.

His b-r comps are actually pretty good, especially as hitting comps. (Winfield, Dawson, Dw Evans, Abreu, Bernie, Murphy, etc.). Winfield was very good at 36, hurt at 37, and only good one more time at 40. Dawson was fine at 37 and useless after that. Evans was good at 36, good at 37 then done. Abreu was still a good hitter at 36 (2.9 oWAR, killed on defense), then average at 37 then pretty much useless. The Yanks will be lucky to get 4 WAR for their $45 M, a bad deal on its face. Add in that they made this addition, that they had some (not very good) coverage at RF/DH already, that he's quite old and left open gaping holes at 2B/3B ... it can't be optimal.

What I will say in their defense is that outside of Cano it was a lousy year for IF on the FA market this year. Peralta is probably the only guy they "obviously" should have grabbed and he's not that attractive at 4/$53. Infante, Ellis, Punto and Uribe are better options than Roberts and maybe a gamble on Furcal. (Note, I don't have a problem with the Ryan signing and Johnson as a bench player for 2B/DH/OF is fine too). And the Yanks had some uncertainty around how often ARod would be available this year.

Nothing wrong per se with the idea of upgrading RF/DH instead of 2B/3B as long as you have a substantial upgrade. But Beltran unfortunately just isn't very good at this late point in his career and it's only going to get worse. He'll almost certainly help in 2014 but probably not substantially and then he'll be a drag in 2015-16.
   9. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: March 17, 2014 at 07:24 AM (#4672642)
Now that Iglesias is out until mid-season, I fully expect a bidding war between the Tigers and Yankees for Stephen Drew.


This sorta ignores that fact that the Yankees could have already signed Drew, without anyone bidding up the price.
   10. PASTE does not get put on waivers in August Posted: March 17, 2014 at 08:42 AM (#4672657)
This sorta ignores that fact that the Yankees could have already signed Drew, without anyone bidding up the price.


I don't think a bidding war will make much difference with a Boras client. Boras has a figure he won't accept a dime less than and he doesn't care if there's only one bidder. He figures sooner or later, even if he has to wait until midseason, some team that thinks itself in contention will find itself desperate enough for a shortstop to give in to Boras' demand for an outlandish multi-year deal.
   11. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: March 17, 2014 at 09:06 AM (#4672663)
This sorta ignores that fact that the Yankees could have already signed Drew, without anyone bidding up the price.


I remember reading some months ago, maybe December-ish, that the Yankee were specifically put-off by something in Drew's medical records related to his ankle.
   12. Rafael Bellylard: The Grinch of Orlando. Posted: March 17, 2014 at 12:39 PM (#4672798)
I remember reading some months ago, maybe December-ish, that the Yankee were specifically put-off by something in Drew's medical records related to his ankle.


I guess two gimpy-ankled shortstops is a bit too much.
   13. attaboy Posted: March 17, 2014 at 02:21 PM (#4672899)
FWIW, I think Beltran ought to do pretty well. He gets to rest his legs as a DH once in a while which ought to help his overall counting numbers. He stayed healthy in Stl so I have hope that he'll be healthy (and therefore) successful in the DH league.

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