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Third time through the order isn’t a charm, and Mets are ready to deal with it | Newsday

The Mets could convert some of their starters to the bullpen. Why not make Lugo a 2-3 inning reliever, for example?

Jim Furtado Posted: November 19, 2017 at 10:29 AM | 8 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: November 21, 2017 at 11:35 AM (#5579366)
If you assume a WHIP of 1.500 roughly, that means that starters would only get through four innings of work before being pulled. Having only 2 starters that are expected to go more than 4 innings is not a recipe for success.
   2. Adam Starblind Posted: November 21, 2017 at 01:57 PM (#5579534)
From what I've read, the hook wouldn't be automatic. It's more that the bullpen would be on high alert.
   3. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: November 21, 2017 at 02:55 PM (#5579597)
Realistically, a team needs it's starters to average over 5 innings. 6 if you don't want to expose your pen, or your pen isn'y very good. That means ~25 batters faced.

I'm all for having shorter leashes when the guy is scuffling, and longer when he's going well, but you still need your starter to get at least partway through the 3rd trip through the lineup.
   4. Lassus Posted: November 21, 2017 at 02:59 PM (#5579602)
It strikes me that if this were that great an idea that would actually work, someone would have done it prior to the Mets.
   5. DL from MN Posted: November 21, 2017 at 03:06 PM (#5579614)
A team needs to get through roughly 38 batters in a game (average). I keep wondering if a four man piggy-back rotation is a good idea. Two starters who each face 18 batters and a reliever to get the last 3 outs. That requires 8 "starters" and 4 "relievers". Lately we've seen usage of five 5-inning starters, five two-inning relievers and three setup/closers. That's 10 guys you are counting on to deliver at least once through the lineup. Might be easier to depend on 8 of those guys and get 4 single inning guys.
   6. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: November 21, 2017 at 03:45 PM (#5579649)
A team needs to get through roughly 38 batters in a game (average). I keep wondering if a four man piggy-back rotation is a good idea. Two starters who each face 18 batters and a reliever to get the last 3 outs. That requires 8 "starters" and 4 "relievers". Lately we've seen usage of five 5-inning starters, five two-inning relievers and three setup/closers. That's 10 guys you are counting on to deliver at least once through the lineup. Might be easier to depend on 8 of those guys and get 4 single inning guys.

The problem I see with that is your 5th-8th SP probably aren't good enough to get through the order twice. Teams have trouble enough finding 8 SPs to staff their 5 rotation spots, given injuries and ineffectiveness. Now if they need 12 to cover 8, they're going to be running some really crappy pitchers out there.

I don't think most 20-pitch, one innings RPs have the pitch repetoire to get through the order twice, and their velocity will suffer greatly throwing 70-80 pitches instead of 20.
   7. Buck Coats Posted: November 21, 2017 at 04:10 PM (#5579671)
It strikes me that if this were that great an idea that would actually work, someone would have done it prior to the Mets.


Aren't the Rays already doing this?
   8. Adam Starblind Posted: November 21, 2017 at 04:39 PM (#5579715)



It strikes me that if this were that great an idea that would actually work, someone would have done it prior to the Mets.


This is actually posted above the door to the Mets clubhouse.

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