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Friday, February 08, 2019

This college pitcher has the most insane pitching windup of all time

Section 8.01 (a) of the MLB Rulebook (sorry, I don’t have a Junior College rulebook at the ready) covers the rules about what seperates a legal windup from an illegal one. Let’s go beat by beat to see if Michael’s windup passes the test.

“The pitcher shall stand facing the batter, his pivot foot in contact with the pitcher’s plate and the other foot free.” Check.

“From this position any natural movement associated with his delivery of the ball to the batter commits him to the pitch without interruption or alteration.” Ok this one is a bit iffy. An umpire could determine that Michael’s spin is not a “natural movement,” but he doesn’t stop the motion at any point so there’s no interruption of alteration to speak of.

“He shall not raise either foot from the ground, except that in his actual delivery of the ball to the batter, he may take one step backward, and one step forward with his free foot.” This checks out.

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 08, 2019 at 02:07 PM | 14 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. John Northey Posted: February 08, 2019 at 05:05 PM (#5813815)
Hope he does it. I love when players do something different.
   2. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: February 08, 2019 at 05:26 PM (#5813824)
Looks legal to me. His pivot foot never loses contact with the plate until release.
   3. shoewizard Posted: February 08, 2019 at 05:34 PM (#5813825)
I think the key is at the end of the article.

Do you plan to actually use it in a game?

"I think I could use it in a game, as long as it's legal! I want to use it in a game and my coach said it's cool with him as long as it's legal. I would only do it a couple times in the game to disrupt timing along with a series of other timing changes."

If an ump is gonna bust him on the motion not being natural, it could be because of this. If he threw every pitcher like this, he'd have a case to say it's his natural movement. If he just does it a couple time, the ump may say no go.
   4. Scott Lange Posted: February 08, 2019 at 05:42 PM (#5813827)
It's a lot more legal than that Carter Capps bullshit.
   5. bbmck Posted: February 08, 2019 at 06:00 PM (#5813830)
Legal?

Legal if she was on the mound?
   6. Nasty Nate Posted: February 08, 2019 at 06:06 PM (#5813833)
Cool
   7. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: February 08, 2019 at 07:09 PM (#5813839)
It's a lot more legal than that Carter Capps bullshit.
Most things are. But yeah, I think this is probably ok.
   8. JRVJ Posted: February 08, 2019 at 07:44 PM (#5813841)
"Legano, no Legano… is grey area!"

In any case, how much velocity does this windup produce? I'm no mechanics expert, but I don't really see how a pitcher can generate enough speed with this motion.
   9. AndrewJ Posted: February 08, 2019 at 07:47 PM (#5813842)
Me like. Trevin just might become the Dick Fosbury of 21st century pitchers.
   10. SoSH U at work Posted: February 08, 2019 at 10:41 PM (#5813869)
Legal if she was on the mound?


Him no. The stunning Korean woman, yes.

As for the guy above. I don't see why it wouldn't be legal. And while I think it's cool, I'm not sure what would it would do for him.
   11. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: February 08, 2019 at 11:10 PM (#5813873)
I would think that, if he can reasonably consistently throw strikes with it with normal movement and velocity, and not tip it off before he starts his windup, the uncertainty/novelty would be worth something in terms of disrupting timing, as he notes.

I mean it's just next-level Luis Tiant--worked well enough for him?
   12. SoSH U at work Posted: February 08, 2019 at 11:16 PM (#5813875)
I would think that, if he can reasonably consistently throw strikes with it with normal movement and velocity, and not tip it off before he starts his windup, the uncertainty/novelty would be worth something in terms of disrupting timing, as he notes.


I don't see it. To me, he's merely taking a long time to ultimately get into a traditional pitching stance. I suppose it could work the first time, but otherwise it seems hitters would simply wait out the spinning stuff and be ready to hit. I hope I'm wrong.

My son's team faced a boy last year who occasionally pitched from what amounted to a standing still position. He took a step on the mound and fired. That was effective, though I thought it was pretty damn dangerous.

   13. kcgard2 Posted: February 09, 2019 at 08:09 AM (#5813900)
I don't see why it would not be legal, but I also don't see how it would be helpful. The only real advantage I could see is in preventing tipping a splitter, like how Dempster shakes his glove around and other pitchers start with that grip (though a batter can still notice a pitcher moving out of that grip). That windup isn't going to throw off timing of MLB hitters.
   14. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: February 09, 2019 at 10:43 AM (#5813923)
Legal?

Legal if she was on the mound?


No, but yes if he threw it on his initial flip before landing.

Yes.

And this guy is a yes so long as his pivot foot stays planted on the rubber.

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