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This move was another Mickey Callaway head-scratcher

The sharks are circling.

Jim Furtado Posted: July 10, 2018 at 10:05 AM | 21 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: July 10, 2018 at 10:09 AM (#5707583)
The similarities between Mickey Callaway and Joe Frazier are striking...right down to the botched lineup cards and BOA.
   2. Stormy JE Posted: July 10, 2018 at 10:27 AM (#5707596)
The sharks are circling.
How does this story indicate Callaway's job is in jeopardy? He made a curious in-game decision which also would have been newsworthy regardless of the Amazins' record.
   3. Adam Starblind Posted: July 10, 2018 at 11:14 AM (#5707633)
What difference does it make, if the Mets are going to get 2 hits?
   4. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: July 10, 2018 at 11:23 AM (#5707639)
What difference does it make, if the Mets are going to get 2 hits?


I would think the logic is that if he's incompetent at the little things we can see, he's more likely to be incompetent and the little and big things we can't see.
   5. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: July 10, 2018 at 11:25 AM (#5707643)
I don't think the story indicates Callaway's job is in jeopardy but it is definitely a "this guy sucks and we are coming after him" story. There was a lot of this last year in Boston with John Farrell. Every story just took a jab at him. It was clear that at the very least the knives were out.

What I don't get is that Callaway explains why he did what he did. This isn't a "head scratcher" his reasoning was based on facts (Herrera's performance against LHP). Whether it was the right move or not I won't pretend to follow the Phils or Mets closely enough to know but he made his reasoning clear. This wasn't "meh, I just thought I'd give it a whirl."
   6. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: July 10, 2018 at 11:28 AM (#5707647)
What I don't get is that Callaway explains why he did what he did. This isn't a "head scratcher" his reasoning was based on facts (Herrera's performance against LHP). Whether it was the right move or not I won't pretend to follow the Phils or Mets closely enough to know but he made his reasoning clear. This wasn't "meh, I just thought I'd give it a whirl."

But what did he achieve? The Phillies still could have had Herrera face Blevins if they wanted to. Callaway just gave the Phillies a cost free way to swap if they wanted.
   7. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: July 10, 2018 at 11:33 AM (#5707649)
Like I said, I'm not arguing it's the right or wrong move, but calling it "a head scratcher" when he explains why he did what he did isn't correct.
   8. KronicFatigue Posted: July 10, 2018 at 11:57 AM (#5707677)
But what did he achieve? The Phillies still could have had Herrera face Blevins if they wanted to.


Sounds like he was banking on the Phillies not realizing (or disagreeing with the idea) that Herrera was the best option in that situation.

If Herrera gets announced first, then the lefty comes in, the Phillies might leave Herrera in to avoid wasting two players on one at bat. The Phillies would be thinking they're getting a slightly less than ideal matchup while the Mets are thinking that's the Phillies best matchup. Like they backed into by luck.
   9. dlf Posted: July 10, 2018 at 12:03 PM (#5707684)
I would think the logic is that if he's incompetent at the little things we can see, he's more likely to be incompetent and the little and big things we can't see.


I understand the logic, but I tend to think that there is at best a small relationship between being good (or bad) at the little tactical decisions and the being good at the hidden strategic issues. The manager I've followed most closely (*) was Bobby Cox. His hit and runs, intentional walks, and suicide squeezes drove me absolutely bonkers. Those were something we could observe and calculate with a fairly high degree of certainty whether they were good choices independent of success. But we couldn't see how he handled the clubhouse, his relationship with players and the front office, his coaching of youngsters, and all the really big matters that have huge impact over seasons. Cox was, at best, below average as a game day tactician, but was, at a minimum, a wizard at the soft people skills we could only infer. I don't watch the Mets, but even if the move in the article was a poor tactical decision by Callaway, I don't know that it speaks to the things we can't see.

(*) When I was younger, I focused solely on the actions on the field rather than the choices leading to that Carew hit, Seaver strikeout, or Jackson homer. When Cox was in Toronto and his second Atlanta stint, I focused at least somewhat on tactical choices too, occasionally obsessively so. And now that I'm older, I watch many fewer games and am less fixated on each one.
   10. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: July 10, 2018 at 12:29 PM (#5707709)
The biggest knock on Callaway has to be the fact that Jose Reyes is still getting meaningful playing time. That is a "big thing" that we can see. I know they have a lot of injuries and the games are meaningless at this point, but how many more ABs can you give to a guy with a 33 OPS+?
   11. Stormy JE Posted: July 10, 2018 at 01:03 PM (#5707761)
The biggest knock on Callaway has to be the fact that Jose Reyes is still getting meaningful playing time. That is a "big thing" that we can see. I know they have a lot of injuries and the games are meaningless at this point, but how many more ABs can you give to a guy with a 33 OPS+?
How is that on Callaway, Dave?
   12. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: July 10, 2018 at 01:13 PM (#5707775)
I would think the logic is that if he's incompetent at the little things we can see, he's more likely to be incompetent and the little and big things we can't see.
Ugh. I hate this kind of thinking. In my line of work, it manifests itself in the idiots who say "if there's a typo in your brief, a judge can't trust your whole legal argument." And of course it's total BS.
   13. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: July 10, 2018 at 01:15 PM (#5707780)
Ugh. I hate this kind of thinking. In my line of work, it manifests itself in the idiots who say "if there's a typo in your brief, a judge can't trust your whole legal argument." And of course it's total BS.

Typos are different, since it an actual typing mistake, not a thinking mistake.

But, if you've got a math error in your presentation, or use horrible grammar, you can be darn sure people are going to discount what you have to say.
   14. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: July 10, 2018 at 01:24 PM (#5707796)
Typos are different, since it an actual typing mistake, not a thinking mistake.
Fair point.
   15. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: July 10, 2018 at 02:55 PM (#5707899)
if there's a typo in your brief


You mean the BDVs that I bought in the streets of Saigon aren't the real things?
   16. The Yankee Clapper Posted: July 10, 2018 at 03:00 PM (#5707902)
But what did he achieve? The Phillies still could have had Herrera face Blevins if they wanted to. Callaway just gave the Phillies a cost free way to swap if they wanted.

If the article is to be believed Callaway got the match-up he wanted:
“We didn’t want them to even announce Herrera,” Callaway said. “Herrera’s hitting [.293] with an [.804] OPS against lefties. I thought he was their best left-handed-hitting option off the bench against a lefty. The numbers said so. So I wanted to get out there as quick as possible and then let [Kapler] make the decision if he wanted to continue to hit him. … I was hoping they would do what they did.”
. . .
The veteran Blevins has actually fared better against righties this season — the opposite of his career splits — entering the night holding them to a .147 batting average as opposed to .318 for lefties.

Doesn't seem like Calloway messed up by not realizing Herrera hadn't been announced, but used that to his advantage to bait the Phillies into making the knee-jerk platoon advantage move that Callaway thought was actually more favorable to his team. To the extent that the article underplays that, it seems to miss the point. Or perhaps that's an indication the writer doesn't believe Callaway is telling the truth?
   17. Adam Starblind Posted: July 10, 2018 at 03:25 PM (#5707929)

I would think the logic is that if he's incompetent at the little things we can see, he's more likely to be incompetent and the little and big things we can't see.


Fair enough. There's just so much wrong with the Mets right now though that I have a hard time thinking Callaway is a significant part of the problem.
   18. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: July 10, 2018 at 03:36 PM (#5707946)

How is that on Callaway, Dave?

Does Callaway not fill out the lineup card?
   19. Stormy JE Posted: July 10, 2018 at 03:40 PM (#5707952)
Does Callaway not fill out the lineup card?
The only thing more criminal than Reyes remaining on the 25-man roster (#ThanksJeffrey) is only playing the game with 24.
   20. RMc Has Bizarre Ideas to Fix Baseball Posted: July 11, 2018 at 04:59 PM (#5708736)
Replace Callaway with Tim Tebow. That way, Tebow gets to wear a big-league uniform without blocking some prospect. Win-win!
   21. stevegamer Posted: July 11, 2018 at 10:11 PM (#5708898)
Trying to force Gabe Kapler to think quickly seems like a high percentage move, actually.

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